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Mickey
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I've had a sore nose (inside) usually just on one side, seems that it may be dry inside and also when i blow my nose blood usually comes out. Not alot of blood, but enough to take notice.

Does anyone know if this could be sinus related?. No i haven't been very compliant lately, soo possible could be because of that. I'm thinking of giving my GSE nose spray a try, it worked wonders when i had a sinus infection.

Any ideas?.

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sounds like you have hemorrhoids of the sinuses


eat lots of greens and take some flax oil everyday


supps like collinsonia can help


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I've had a sore nose (inside) usually just on one side, seems that it may be dry inside and also when i blow my nose blood usually comes out. Not alot of blood, but enough to take notice.

Does anyone know if this could be sinus related?. No i haven't been very compliant lately, soo possible could be because of that. I'm thinking of giving my GSE nose spray a try, it worked wonders when i had a sinus infection.

Any ideas?.

Thanks!
Mickey

Unfortunately, I have a lot of experience with this. It sounds like you have a deviated septum (sounds bad but it is totally no big deal in the vast majority of cases and many, many people have a septum that is deviated to one degree or another: it just means that the middle part of your nose--the part between the two nostrils--isn't exactly straight, so one side gets more air hitting it and drying it out than the other...hence the bleeding from one side when it gets excessively irritated). Are you living somewhere where it is still cold enough that you have your heat on? If so, the single best thing you can do is to get a warm-mist humidifier (Duracraft is the best brand, or used to be, anyway) and use it at night while you sleep. Also, if your bed is right under a heat vent, try to move it away from where the dry air blows directly on you.

Other important things to check are:

1. Do you smoke? If so, stop that this instant! Don't make me come over there.

2. Are you eating wheat? Again, don't make me come over there, girl! Wheat is highly, highly inflamatory to Type O nonnie nasal membranes. However, even if you are perfectly compliant on the O diet, central heating in winter can still cause this and is the main culprit--just the cold, dry weather and the hot, totally dry air of the heating system = not good.

3. Are you eating dairy products? Cease and desist, at least until a warmer, more humid season takes over. A high dewpoint is your friend!

3. Coffee: jettison it. Caffeine is a vasodilator and can further irritate the capillaries that are already irked at you.

(Dang, two QA Managers are having a jaw-fest at Temptation Island and I can't hear myself think! I'm supposed to be being moved to a different cube but my boss is taking her sweet time "looking into" it...I can't hear myself think--grrrrrrrrr/aaaaaaaah!)

The main things are to get yourself the humidifier, be extra compliant on your diet for now, especially in the area of avoiding things that inflame and/or otherwise irritate your nasal tissue, and in being sure to eat a lot of nice protein each day to help rebuild/heal your tissue, and also taking glucosamine sulfate is very helpful as it helps rebuild cartilege, specifically. In my case, this was helpful. You probably don't have damaged cartilege, come to think of it, your prob is probably only with the surface being irritated...but taking the glucosamine couldn't hurt and could help with some deep healing.

I'm sorry you are going through that, I know what it is like. If I could concentrate this post down to one word, it would be: humidifier.




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In addition to all the other good words of wisdom, here is a short-term solution, and it can sometimes turn into a long term solution if it gives your nasal tissues time to heal.  Get a good quality herbal salve containing calendula, and other soothing, healing herbs.  Avoid anything with golden seal, cayenne or anything drying.  The Super Salve company makes the best salves that I have found, and can be found at supersalve.com.  My health food store carries them also.

I use their Calendula Salve inside my nostrils twice a day after I brush my teeth.  Put a bit of salve on the tip of a clean pinky finger (with a short nail) and thoroughly massage the inside of your nostril as far inside as you can reach.  Then blow your nose.  It's better to use this salve before blowing your nose, anytime.  They also have a fantastic healing salve called Super Salve, but it is not as moisturizing as the Calendula one.

Good luck!  



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As O's have problem with bloodclotting and nose bleed is part of it.
I have a serious blood coagulation deficiency and some of my children inheritted it.
For nose bleeds my hematologist advised to put on the inside of the nose some vaseline
When the weather is dry my son is more prone to nose bleed
The vaseline has helped
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Victoria's sugg of calendula salve is a good one. frumag, no offense, but as someone who used the Vasoline for years, it is not the best idea to do. Vasoline is a petroleum product and it is better to use something like the calendula salve Victoria is talking about. Again I must emphasize that a warm-mist humidifier is the single most effective thing to employ.

Another thing I thought of, due to frumag's excellent point about O's and our "thin blood". Vitamin K is very helpful. It is found in dark, leafy greens like kale and also in eggs. I have found eating eggs to be helpful when my nose gets really bad. But for me (and my situation is extreme, keep in mind), the warm-mist humidifier is the ONLY thing that will help me when the situation gets really, really bad.

In the end, I had to move to Florida (nature's warm-mist humidifier *lol*) and that palliative measure has helped me very, very immensely. Between my "geographic cure", then discovering the BTD (which reduces inflamation and aids in deep cellular healing/repair), and discovering (thanks to this board) glucosamine sulfate (cartilege repair), I'm doing AWESOMELY. Global warming doesn't hurt either *lol*. At least it is good for something. This winter, I only had to put my heat on for two DAYS. I love Florida.  But the last few winters before that, even with the heat on, I found I didn't need the humidifier (amazing, considering what the situation had become by the time I left Maryland).

If I ever went back north even for a visit in winter, though, the first thing I would do would be to get a vaporizer (a cheap version of a humidifier that I would only want to get for a quick fix...for something to use all winter, invest in a durable humidifier with a nice big tank that doesn't dry up overnight).


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CLICK for Calendula Salve.  
And CLICK for Super Salve.

Years ago, Dr. D used to suggest Shea Butter inside the nostrils.  The Calendula Salve has a generous amount of it, and is therefore more of an emollient.  The Super Salve is wonderfully healing, and I have used it in my nose for brief periods of time, but I prefer it on my "regular" skin.

Ghee is used in the nostrils in India, and I used it that way for a few years.  



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Thanks for all your great suggestions!!!!

Sorry it took me soo long to get back to this thread.

Well i've been drinking more water (as Lola suggested i might be dehydrated) since i first posted about this and it seems to be helping. I'm working on avoiding the avoids (yes, peppermint twist i've been eating most of the one's you suggested may be causing the problem). Funny that you bring up the deviated septum, my mom had one but got it corrected years ago. I never gave it a second thought, because my mom never learned to swim because she couldn't breath through her nose. I've never had that problem, but will bring it up to a doc, next time i get to one (no health insurance).

I've also started taking flaxseed and eating more salads as Mike O suggested. Funny about the salve thing that Victoria suggested, i have in the past put vaseline and shea butter right inside my nostrils when they get dry, i don't know why i haven't thought about doing that this time. I will get on that one. Well maybe just the Shea Butter since PT said the vaseline probably isn't a good idea.

Mickey


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oh yes, pt and I have lots of nose bleed experience, we are the bleeder on this board, luckily it doesn't seem as sif yours are as gushing as ours.  What does help as a preventative for what you are talking about is some almond oil,  rub inside your nose, it is a bit easier and lighter than a salve and will keep those nasal passages from drying out



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Hi Mickey, if you have a pharmacy that can make you a galenic oil ask for  an oil with a 1 % of niaouli (gomenol) and frankincense or cajeput and is very useful for my inflamed  and bleeding nose mucosa.
You can put one or two drops of cajeput or the other named essential oil also in the shea butter warmed till soft or liquid with bain marie. I use this care for my nose all the year after a saline spray cleaning, nearly also in the hot italian summer.

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Victoria, thanks for the links. My g'daughter has a real problem w/ this. I suspect hers is way more due to diet than anything else, but will try to get her some of this. I feel so bad for her as her little nose looks sore at the bottom of both nostrils. No amount of talking/suggesting/anything has swayed my daughter to get her off wheat. I strongly suspect she is celiac, but my daughter refuses to have her tested as her dr says she doesn't have it. Okay..............    If one has 5 or 6 of the symptoms, seems enough grounds for testing to me, but then that's just me  ....just hate to see her suffering. At least if I can get her something to soothe her poor little nose, that will help.  



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Hope it helps her, Dear Pat!  (Good to speak with you again!)  



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Hope it helps her, Dear Pat!  (Good to speak with you again!)  


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Hi Mickey -
I have had nose bleeds all my life - in varying degrees.  When I was young (4-5 years), my tonsils were removed to alleviate the problem.  I got a rash of unexpected nose bleeds again when I was in 7th or 8th grades.   In my late 40's to 50's, I never knew when I would get them.  One doctor cauterized my nose.  Another doctor prescribed a humidifier.  Another doctor did surgery on my nose - said he thought the problem resulted from a childhood injury.  I can't remember any injuries - but a baseball hit me in the head.  He was quite strict with me and told me to use Ocean Mist.  He told me never to blow my nose.  Never to pick it.  Well, I can't always comply.  Even when I didn't blow my nose sometimes I would get unexpected nose bleeds.

I no longer use a humidifier.  I sometimes use Ocean MIst when I remember.  

The more compliant I am, the fewer nose bleeds I get.   When I ate non-compliant pepper, it seemed to provoke unusual nose bleeds out of nowhere, but then they also came out of nowhere for I never knew the reason--sometimes a little emotional stress.  

In April, I began my own version of cleansing, along with a Clarkia parasite cleanse.  Since starting the cleansings, I have had the fewest nose bleeds ever.  I have been on Eating Right for about 3 1/2 years.  For the most part, I cut out avoids, but allow myself neutrals, including neutrals allowed infrequently in the newer books.  I have my own rhythm for which supplements I take and when - also my own rhythm for when and why I may use a protocol.    I expect my cleansing to last a few more months.  I will be finished with the Clarkia parasite cleanse in about 1 1/2 weeks.

To stop my nose bleeds, I used to stuff a wad of Kleenex in my nostril and go on with my work.  I read recently to take a piece of cotton soaked in cool water.  It feels much gentler.  Yesterday, I got a drop of blood nose bleed when I blew my nose.  I was in a rush to get out of the house.  I used the cotton soaked in water for about a minute and voila, it was done bleeding.  That was the shortest bleed I ever had.

Thanks everyone for the suggestions and ideas about salves, oils.
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I thought i'd give you all an update.

Well i'm happy to say my nose is no longer sore and bloody. I am still alittle stuffy and sometimes get dried out, but nothing compared to before. I really believe water did the trick, i've really upped my water intake. I really was getting bad about my water intake, sometimes not drinking any all day. I used to be soo good about drinking water and kind of got off track. I think my residing symptoms are probably due to allergies and non-compliance which i know can be one in the same, since my allergies are probably due to my non-compliance. I am working at the compliance but not where i should be, it's amazing how stress can really mess up all your good efforts! I will continue with the upping my compliance, water intake and i also started taking bromelain for the allergy symptoms.

Thanks again for all of your help!!!


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good to hear!


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