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Susana
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Of the “avoids” that give you the strongest reaction/s; would you say they were items frequently or abundantly consumed prior to BTD?

I wonder why some people react more violently/stronger to some avoids and I thought that perhaps it is related to how it was consumed pre BTD.

For example, I grew up on a very varied diet. I consumed all avoids but none in large amounts or too frequently. I had wheat since quite young but only once a day, milk was also only once a day and neither in large quantity. Now I do not react violently to it, and mostly, I do not experience any reaction at all. Actually, now that I am abusing them I experience stronger reactions when I  consume them again.

Cigarettes, on the other hand, I did abuse. Two packs a day for 10 years. After quitting for a year I had a very violent reaction when I started again.

Perhaps the length of time of abstinence from an “avoid” also has an effect on the strength of the reaction when reintroduced.

Would anyone like to share their thought on these issues or related ones.


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yessss I think and observed similarities...means that the amounts will create the situation as well,
it's a big difference between allergic reaction and a food intolerance.....and then when your body went threw several detoxphases..... I see that almost here bodies will react quicker and muchmore suscep
tible than before the detox ....I saw some reactions on different product when they've got reintroduced after 3 months or a year- or even here no more reactions at all....  or just a big bang and clients
got very sick about those stuffs. .......it depends also from a psyche pattern of acceptance or no acceptance at all......
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Quoted from ISA-MANUELA

I see that almost here bodies will react quicker and muchmore suscep
tible than before the detox....I saw some reactions on different product when they've got reintroduced after 3 months or a year- or even here no more reactions at all....  


ISA,

Fascinating you have observed stronger reactions after the detox. Why do you think it happens?

The clients that had no reactions, did they consume a lot of the product before the detox?

Thaks for sharing


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I consumed everything I can think of, before BTD, and apparently never had a reaction to anything!

I was never a picky eater, and tried just about anything exotic or gourmet!

so my following BTD so strictly is really just a matter of true conviction.

my taste buds have shifted to beneficials and neutrals, and I never have a craving or nostalgia for anything containing an avoid.

now that I m middle aged, I have tweaked my food choices even more.....avoiding even the infrequent neutrals and ofcourse avoids written in the aging and menopause books........but I never have had a hot flash or any symptom, as joint pains, nothing!

I think I m just very disciplined, without being obsessed.
I just simply say no, to myself and to others offering me anything that looks 'avoidish'.

I go to bed every night, wishing it were already the next day, to accomplish all the things I have planned to do.

BTD has only made my life and choices, easier!
I do not waste time or experiment with any 'doubtful ingredients'.
it gives me the freedom to do other more important things in my life!

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I think it may be related to each person's own individual metabolic and digestive makeup.  Some avoids affect individuals more than others.

Putting alot of thought anxiety into eating avoids probably stresses our digestive tract even before the digestive process begins.

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Putting alot of thought anxiety into eating avoids probably stresses our digestive tract even before the digestive process begins.


Alia, I think you've hit on something here. I find that this is so true for me. It's important (imho) that if we choose to ingest an avoid, that we really enjoy it. Otherwise, what's the point?


It is not my responsibility to convince anyone of anything.
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I relate to Lola in the sense that I don't eat any avoids, and have even stopped eating infrequent neutrals, so I don't know how avoids would affect me specifically.  I did have a cup of Latte' a few years ago, after not having it for a year (I used to drink 2 or 3 a day) and I had very loose stools within a half hour.  My body wanted that stuff out!

I feel so much benefit from the Beneficials and Frequent Neutrals, I have come to love these foods and enjoy eating so much!  I am not drawn to experiment with the other foods.



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Thank you ladies for your replies. You have to allow me but I have to thank Lola especially. A long post! I am honoured ! but truly thankful  . I love to read your story.

The unfortunate thing is that I was not expecting replies from you ladies. You are not really the sample ! You never have avoids.

This thread has been prompted from “problems before BTD?” I can not help but wonder when I read  peoples comments that, “now avoids make me feel worse, I’d rather consume some avoids infrequently to prevent reaction bla, bla, bla.” I am not judging the decision. We are all free to choose.

I would like to get a better understanding of why some react very violently to “avoids” and wonder if prior abuse of an item plays any role. If, because one has not “educated” the immune system properly, ei. has abused “avoids,” suffers more afterwards.

I know that many of us were not aware of reactions pre BTD but I am not into this line as much. I am more on the strength of the reaction.

In any case, thank you ladies once again.

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Quoted from outdoordrea


Alia, I think you've hit on something here. I find that this is so true for me. It's important (imho) that if we choose to ingest an avoid, that we really enjoy it. Otherwise, what's the point?


Lucky you. Obviously your body allows you to enjoy  

You do not react violently/strongly to your prefered avoids. Have you ever abused them?

I would even include easy weight gain from a specific avoid as a strong reaction .




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 I did have a cup of Latte' a few years ago, after not having it for a year (I used to drink 2 or 3 a day) and I had very loose stools within a half hour.  My body wanted that stuff out!


Was it the coffee that gave you the reaction? 2 - 3 a day is not much perhaps that is why they were just loose


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Dr. D says on “Aging” book page 13: “When an antigen encounters a harmful foreign intruder, it creates antibodies against it. These antibodies serve as an early warning system. The next time the foreign intruder is encountered it will be attacked and destroyed.”

Am I correct by saying: If one has abused/consumed too much of a harmful intruder the body has created more antibodies and thus the stronger the reaction.

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Quoted from Susana

The unfortunate thing is that I was not expecting replies from you ladies. You are not really the sample ! You never have avoids.


  Aw .........

Can't Lola and I play, too?  



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Quoted from Susana


Was it the coffee that gave you the reaction? 2 - 3 a day is not much perhaps that is why they were just loose




I'm convinced that it was the coffee.  As soon as it hit my stomach, I felt like I'd been poisoned.  And "loose" is a modest way of describing a more intense bathroom visit.  



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  Aw .........

Can't Lola and I play, too?  


Always welcomed  

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Popcorn.

I don't think I will ever get over the desire to eat popcorn.  The smell to me is intoxicating, and I still love the taste.

It is very hard for me to go to a movie theatre in the evening or on the weekend these days and sit in a crowded theatre and smell tons of popcorn.  Even if I have a 100% beneficial dinner before hand, and am completely stuffed sitting down to watch a film, the minute I smell that smell, I want some.

It's one of the reasons I like to see a film during the week, the first showing of the day.  Usually it's just me and my friend in the whole theatre.


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If you ever read the ingredients in the "butter", it might dull that longing!  



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Quoted from Victoria
If you ever read the ingredients in the "butter", it might dull that longing!  


Has nothing to do with the "butter."  I know that stuff is cr@p. I know popcorn is bad for me.

It's the smell of popped corn; the smell is an immediate trigger to get me salivating.  Think Pavlov.


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My whole menu prior to BTD was avoids or infrequent neutrals.  Since I haven't finished the detox, I can't really answer the question.  I do know that I am feeling better by eating Beneficials and feel worse when I happen onto an avoid...  

I really can NOT eat corn, syrup especially!  The headache is really massive if I get any substantial amount.  It has been quite a while since I've gotten into any, but I had to be without all corn for over three weeks to become headache free when I started BTD.  Now I get a tingle when I just hold something with corn syrup...


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ABJoe,
You and I followed the same lifestyle, prior to BTD, it sounds like!  I was actually raised on 90% avoids.  It's amazing to even think about it, that I have survived long enough to make an informed choice.



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Susana, could one's secretor status have something to do with the degree of onslaught of the Return of the Avoids? From the posts here, it looks that way...

My reaction to avoids & infrequent neutrals is the dull ache in my joints. Nothing dramatic but the dull ache is there. And a bit of nose clog and 1/2 a day of having to clear my throat. One would never notice these things...but when you've experienced supreme well being, little things get augmented.


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Popcorn.


Hi KK, thanks for sharing.

I guess you had a lot of it pre BTD. Unfortunately (fortunate really) you are among the ones that does not have avoids. Well... before you started 100% on the "Arthritis" book compliance, but already on BTD (when every so often you decided to have popcorn but really shouldn't ,

What happened when you had popcorn?
Did you experience a stronger reaction than when you consumed some avoid that had not been so much consumed before?

Sorry for being so picky  






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Hi ABJoe also thanks for sharing

Well, in your case, it seems that because you consumed heavily in the avoid category you have a very strong reaction to one specific, actually an important one for AB's. When you "happen to have an avoid" they do not seem to bother you much. Can I assume you had them relatively frequently before?

I hope your detox finishes soon and you need not try an avoid to report the reaction here

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Susana, could one's secretor status have something to do with the degree of onslaught of the Return of the Avoids? From the posts here, it looks that way...


I would say yes also.


Quoted from accidental_chef
My reaction to avoids & infrequent neutrals is the dull ache in my joints. Nothing dramatic but the dull ache is there. And a bit of nose clog and 1/2 a day of having to clear my throat.


Do you experience this with any avoids or some in particular. Are they ones you tended to conume more?

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One would never notice these things...but when you've experienced supreme well being, little things get augmented.


You are so right. I have so much trouble explaining this to non BTD individuals.  




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Quoted from Susana
Of the “avoids” that give you the strongest reaction/s; would you say they were items frequently or abundantly consumed prior to BTD?

I wonder why some people react more violently/stronger to some avoids and I thought that perhaps it is related to how it was consumed pre BTD.

.


Perhaps the length of time of abstinence from an “avoid” also has an effect on the strength of the reaction when reintroduced.






I also would like to know the answer to these questions also  

After being strictly compliant I relented & had a bowl of icecream in company after being goaded and told how good I'd been by not eating grains. (including the blueberry dainish that went with the icecream).  Also thinking that grains are the big baddy - told myself that I'd jump straight back on the wagon BUT to my shock became so ill that it is nearly a week and I'm not quite back there yet!  

Ate at night & went to bed with unrelenting heartburn, headache in the temples & back of skull, nausea and awoke with flue-like symptoms, bloodshot watery eyes, headachey, terrible brainfog where I couldn't remember some words or concentate properly, stomach pains & an overwhelming fatigue.!

You could say I'm scared off dairy!  Will this always happen or is it just the first time and not so bad again?  Maybe it is just coincidence and the result of something like a virus?  Maybe this is  being a nonnie?

Like Susana I'd really like to know      
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