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hkbecky
Thursday, October 26, 2006, 3:51am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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I've been on the BTD plan for 2 weeks now.  After a rocky start, things are starting to become smoother.  Other than a few inconveniences of eating out and having some avoids slip into certain foods, I try to make my own meals as much as possible.  Do even small trace amounts of 'avoids' make a difference?  

I used to eat a lot of bread and then after starting BTD, realised that wheat was wreaking havoc on my digestive system so I’ve started to bake my own spelt bread.  I also eat white rice, brown rice and wild rice because I'm in Asia and that's pretty much a staple in every meal.  If these items starchy but are considered 'neutrals' - would eating them hamper my weight loss efforts?

Another problem is that I bought ‘cook right for your blood type’ and it also contains the list of ‘highly beneficial’, ‘neutral’ and ‘avoid’ foods but some have been updated on the website.  

For example, cucumber was previously a ‘neutral’ in my book.  But then on the website, I’m told it’s been changed to ‘avoid’.  Also, a lot of my ‘avoids’ appear on their menu selection.  Ie:  I’m to avoid mayonnaise, but in the cooking section – it says O types should eat a sandwich with mayo.  Or I've read in another post about chocolate from Lola (O) that i could use vanilla extract (another O avoid in CR4YT).  Stuff like that makes me quite confused about what to eat and what not to eat.

I'm really motivated about losing the last few inches of body fat so I’m really trying hard to follow everything as specified to get the best results and also exercising vigorously.  But at times when the information is constantly changing, I’m afraid what I’ve been eating as ‘highly beneficial’ for a while, then suddenly turns to ‘avoid’ after more research is done. I don’t want to do more harm than good.

I know that i need to be patient, but these are my concerns - any advice would be greatly appreciated!  
many thanks!
Becky


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As a relative newbie myself, I know exactly what you mean!!!  But as I understand it, the values in typebase are the ones you should regard as definitive, they are the most up to date.

I believe if you want to lose weight, the recommendation is that you cut out grains altogether.    As a first stage I would check whether you are exceeding the portion guidelines and if so, cut down to those levels.

At a guess just cutting out the wheat should have a beneficial impact on your weight - here's hoping it does!


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all recipes given need to be tweaked to your compliance......
all recipes on recibase do make that comment at the end, so do make a list with the help of typebase to meet your needs.......or correct directly in your book.

here s an errata link, that might help you achieve that:
http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075225915

then there s the tier system given in the book LRFYT, which tweaks the food values even more, and so do the health series books, depending on your health issues..........slow wins the race as they say! go one step at a time..........Rome wasn t built in a day! )
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Becky,
try and get a hold of the LRFYT book at your local library.
the secretor issue appears there for the first time, and this is the cause of the changes of values in certain foods.

here are some links to help you understand the concepts better:
the tutorial is always a good start, a button on top of the main page called 'getting started':

http://www.dadamo.com/knowbase/newbie/1.htm
the last lesson contains the secretor and non secretor information.
also,

http://www.dadamo.com/media.htm
these radio broadcasts are easy to understand and fun! Dr D is a great communicator!

and about the tier system I mentioned previously:
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b=lr4yt,m=1119273365
See: http://www.dadamo.com/errata/smartfaq.cgi?answer=1075124989





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Quoted from hkbecky
Do even small trace amounts of 'avoids' make a difference?

If you are a non-secretor, then yes they might make a big difference.  
Quoted from hkbecky
If these items starchy but are considered 'neutrals' - would eating them hamper my weight loss efforts?

Yes, type Os do better with less grains and starchy foods. Try to target the eating only the minimum number of recommended servings per week instead of the maximum recommended servings per week for grains/starches.
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... But at times when the information is constantly changing, ...

The information is not constantly changing. You are referencing the original old food value lists in ER4YT and CR4YT. When Dr. D introduced separate food values for secretors and non-secretors for each blood type to us in the LR4YT book in 2001 that changed some of the food values from the secretor status averaged values in the older books. There were very few food values that actually changed at that time based on new research.

Now 5 years later there have been very few changes or clarifications. In fact, for type O I can only think of one and that has to do with how many of the pepper entries have been listed, which I consider very minor. The bottom line is even if Dr. D changes a few food item values at some time in the future because of new information, research, even because of some error or typo you are still much better off following the information as presented versus eating any other way because the current information has proven to have worked to help many people improve their health, and lose weight for those that needed to.


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Thank you for all the helpful advice.  I'll be sure to pick up LR4YT.  

Cutting grains and starch altogether is tough!  This is a big weakness of mine.  Also, quite inconvenient for me in Hong Kong if I'm to ever eat out.  Noodles, rice and bread are abundant and readily available here on every street corner while salads and quality produce are hard to come by.  

I'm told that if I eat 5 mini-meals a day of highly beneficials and neutrals while avoiding 'avoids' then I don't really have to count calories in order to achieve my body fat % goals.  

Any thoughts?  
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Just pay attention to the frequency/quantity recommendations for the foods for your blood type.  If you make 5 small meals, all containing grains, you may not see weight loss.

But eating meals consisting of meat/fish/eggs, some veggies and/or fruits, will most likely do what you are trying to accomplish without counting calories.  Then you could maybe have a small serving of compliant grains occasionally.  If you eat starches as a  staple, I think you're going to be disappointed.



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90% compliancy on the diet will do...don't get caught up in the little 2 to 5% changes to food values.

To lose weight, along with the blood type diet for O's, I would recommend going to sleep a little earlier as the sun goes down earlier in the day. If you stay up late(past 10pm) in the fall/winter spring months...it signals your body to store fat from carbohydrate sources by rasing your insulin levels because your body  thinks it's still summertime (when animals...and humans before the advent of the freezer... ate as many carbohydrates as possible so they will have enough fat to survive the winter...when carbs are non existant) from all the artificial light you may have on in the house. Enough sleep (aim for 9hrs) in a dark room without any light polution from within the room and outside will help with weight loss and it will also help your body make more melatonin which is a hormone with super antioxident properties.

The later u stay up at night under artificial  lights ...the more your body will signal you to eat carbohydrates and also turn your fat busting(leptin) metabolism off or slow it down...we never get the urge to eat late night protein snacks do we?...hmmm wonder why?

limit starches and grains to maximum 6 serving per week if you a secretor so one serving is either 1/2 cup dry(pasta or grains(rice), or 1 muffin or 2 slices of bread

so one serving a day max

good luck



RHN MIfHI

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As a Type O I don't think the many-mini-meals-a-day approach is all that important or useful.

If I eat a really big red meat and greens breakfast I frequently don't get hungry until at least mid afternoon so I sometimes only eat 2 meals a day, with maybe a snack. I never count calories. I also use lots of olive oil with my meals.

Try eating a big red meat breakfast and I don't think you will be all that hungry for the grains and starches the rest of the day or at least until dinner time.


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Hi, Becky!

Glad you are here!  I, too, am a Newbie, having started the BTD about three weeks ago.

I have a severe problem with my weight, and with other related illnesses.  I'm also an O(nonnie), and have made it a priority to eat Super Beneficials, and Beneficials approximately 93-97% of each week's meals.  I never eat Avoids or Infrequent Neutrals.  Its hard to describe how much better I feel since avoiding most everything that's not meat or beneficial Veg/Fruits.  Also, lots of Olive Oil is very helpful to me.

Hang in there; Good Health is Priceless...and worth the cost.

Myra.


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Myra,
I am so glad you are giving the BTD a real chance.  Your approach will really give your body an opportunity to heal, and gradually gravitate to your own healthy weight.  I hope you will let us know more of your experiences over time in this great adventure.  



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To lose weight, along with the blood type diet for O's, I would recommend going to sleep a little earlier as the sun goes down earlier in the day. If you stay up late(past 10pm) in the fall/winter spring months...it signals your body to store fat from carbohydrate sources by rasing your insulin levels because your body  thinks it's still summertime (when animals...and humans before the advent of the freezer... ate as many carbohydrates as possible so they will have enough fat to survive the winter...when carbs are non existant) from all the artificial light you may have on in the house. Enough sleep (aim for 9hrs) in a dark room without any light polution from within the room and outside will help with weight loss and it will also help your body make more melatonin which is a hormone with super antioxident properties.


This is great Mike! Your explanation encourages me. I know the longer I sleep at night the lesser is my weight in the morning.



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Good one Mikeo.  Now...to get to bed myself.  Already past 11:00 p.m.  Must read T.S. Wiley-'Lights Out' again also.

Debra

P.S.  You just popped up on Skype.  Time for bed for you too.    And that B girl.  


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Quoted from mikeo
90% compliancy on the diet will do...don't get caught up in the little 2 to 5% changes to food values.

To lose weight, along with the blood type diet for O's, I would recommend going to sleep a little earlier as the sun goes down earlier in the day. If you stay up late(past 10pm) in the fall/winter spring months...it signals your body to store fat from carbohydrate sources by rasing your insulin levels because your body  thinks it's still summertime (when animals...and humans before the advent of the freezer... ate as many carbohydrates as possible so they will have enough fat to survive the winter...when carbs are non existant) from all the artificial light you may have on in the house. Enough sleep (aim for 9hrs) in a dark room without any light polution from within the room and outside will help with weight loss and it will also help your body make more melatonin which is a hormone with super antioxident properties.

The later u stay up at night under artificial  lights ...the more your body will signal you to eat carbohydrates and also turn your fat busting(leptin) metabolism off or slow it down...we never get the urge to eat late night protein snacks do we?...hmmm wonder why?

limit starches and grains to maximum 6 serving per week if you a secretor so one serving is either 1/2 cup dry(pasta or grains(rice), or 1 muffin or 2 slices of bread

so one serving a day max

good luck



Fall and winter are upon us.  ((((Big hugs))))

Debra



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Choose not to eat white rice, and go with brown whenever possible. You don't have to cut grains all together; and Dr. D'Adamo never recommended that anywhere. He has said some nonnies prefer it, but he doesn't recommend it.

Next up, reality is that if you are Type O weight loss is very easy. It might seem challenging just by changing your diet but that is because the most important part is being ignored... exercise! I'm not talking about walking or anything easy Type A exercise. You need to sweat, burn, and kick your own butt. Any Type O that exercises really hard and doesn't abuse themselves with carbohydrates will lose weight. Any Type O when pretends to exercise hard will complain about no weight loss. Pretend your an athlete going for the Olympics.
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Choose not to eat white rice, and go with brown whenever possible. You don't have to cut grains all together; and Dr. D'Adamo never recommended that anywhere. He has said some nonnies prefer it, but he doesn't recommend it.
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My Swami says I can eat any kind of rice, even white.. (which is the one neutral - all the other rices are Beneficial.)

"Portion Size: Grains, Cereals: half cup; Baked Goods: 1/2 muffin; 1 slice bread
Frequency: 2 servings daily.r. "

You have to follow your Swami and good things will happen!  


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