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carolannmaybe
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Well - one day I felt a bit waterlogged and decided to go back on the old coffee and soon was having three or four large mugs a day plus some decaffinated ones too - I had decided I needed a "lift" was I wrong I was ill since Christmas - a real heavy cold and gradually I realised the coffe was poisoning me as when I made a cup and smelled it I felt sick - our bodies are really great if we just listen dont you think? Been coffee free again now for three days - anyone else have the same symptons?

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Wellllll.....
I would say about a hundred of us on this Forum know exactly what you are talking about!  

What a sly fox coffee is!  That aroma, that color, that rich taste, and that buzzz.  Ohhh, and that poison!!

Yeah, it's my drug of choice for sure, I've quit it many times.  This last time, I may be done with it.  It's been a year since a cup (before that cup it was 6 months) and I got so ill, for days on end.  It completely threw my body out of balance, and I had body aches and pains like I had the flu, and my tonsils were swollen and I had a headache, then I was depressed.  Need I go on?
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Quoted from carolannmaybe
Well - one day I felt a bit waterlogged and decided to go back on the old coffee and soon was having three or four large mugs a day plus some decaffinated ones too - I had decided I needed a "lift" was I wrong I was ill since Christmas - a real heavy cold and gradually I realised the coffe was poisoning me as when I made a cup and smelled it I felt sick - our bodies are really great if we just listen dont you think? Been coffee free again now for three days - anyone else have the same symptons?

Yo, what you describe with coffee is similar to what I am finally snapping myself out of regarding potato chips:  how I convinced myself that I could handle a few (or more than a few) potato chips and then it gradually got outta hand.  You are right that are bodies are great if we listen.  Mine has been telling me every way it can to cease and desist from inundating it with my fave asanine avoid.  It has put on weight, mainly, but also I'm not as fit as I was.  'Course, that could be because, simultaneous to all this, my exercising has gone waaaaaaaaaaaaaaay down.  It seems when we start down the slippery slope of sort of not taking care of ourselves or being downright self-destructive in one little, bitty way, it can have a snowball effect, just as when we start doing one or two things positive to take care of ourselves, that can have a positive snowball effect and start doing more and more good things.  ANYWAY, coffee is extremely addictive and you are well off the stuff!  Try my Hojicha roasted green tea that I'm always on about.  It isn't coffee, but it is a satisfying substitute somehow.

One note:  you may feel worse before you feel better, as you detox from coffee.  And one interesting thing is that coffee depletes the body of vitamin C, which I'm sure didn't help your body when it came to attempting to fight off the cold it (you) came down with.  You might try eating some foods that are high in C right now, such as limes or lemons, or even taking a vitamin C supplement for a week or so.  Also, do drink some kind of green tea, or else your withdrawal symptoms from the caffeine in coffee might just be too difficult (headaches, etc.) and you will be too tempted to go back to the java.  Good luck, Carolann.  I'll police you on the coffee if you will police me on the chips.  I think I need to be placed under 24-hour guard.  So far, so good, though.  So far, so good.



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Every January I tell myself I am going to quit coffee.  I can do green tea instead....but my hubby
loves the stuff.  It is so hard for me, or I guess I am just not devoted enough.  I have yet to
make it through an actual coffee detox.  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking
it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  Thanks!
ps.  Those little pics on the bottom of your post are so cute Peppemint Twist!
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I have yet to make it through an actual coffee detox.  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  Thanks!

Hi, Paulam.  If you get headaches when you stop drinking coffee, you are definitely experiencing withdrawal from it, which means you are addicted to it, which means that experiencing the withdrawal, contrary to how it feels, is a GOOD thing, but there are ways to minimize it so it won't be such a bear.  When I did it, it was a bear, but that was before I knew about...well, before I knew just about anything, nutrition-wise, but anyway, now I do know a thing or two, and with coffee, the withdrawal is caused by cutting off the caffeine supply too suddenly/drastically.  I would suggest that you switch to green tea, and I know it sounds like I'm on these pups' payroll because I keep posting about this, but that's because there are a lot of people who ask about coffee substitutes *lol*, so here I go again:  the following is a very robust, rich, complex green tea that I think is that way because it is roasted.  It satisfies my "coffee tooth".  More relevant to you is that I think it contains enough caffeine to ease your withdrawal headaches, yet not enough to feed the addiction, especially since tea contains the wonderful ingredient thionine that I never spell right (maybe I did this time, but I think it is theonine, which always seems wrong to me, yet never is *lol*) that counteracts the negative effects of the caffeine.  The brand and specific variety of tea I like is:  Haiku 100% Organic Japanese Hojicha Roasted Green Tea.  Comes in a red box, as opposed to their (Haiku's) other few varieties, which are in other colors.  Drink this instead of coffee and hopefully the withdrawal won't be as acute (although you still might experience it a little).




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You can wean off of coffee slowly by having less and less each day to minimize the withdraw symptoms.  
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Wow, that ought to do it, huh?  Scarey story Lola.....thanks PT, will try the Haiku brand today....
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Wow, that ought to do it, huh?  Scarey story Lola.....thanks PT, will try the Haiku brand today....

Let 'er steep for a good few minutes to really get the rich, strong flavor.  I personally also love combining it with Celestial Seasonings 100% peppermint for a really delicious flavor that I was thinking yesterday, as I sipped a particularly strong cuppa same, tastes sort of like a melted "Ande's Mint"!  mmmmmmm!





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OH Carolann.. I'm right there with  you.. coffee is my BIG problem.  I, too.. have quit.. and started back.. and quit.. it always starts with an innocent.. "oh I 'll just have some this one morning".... and then  I  get in trouble.

Actually, I've  been better than worse as of late.. but today I had some... instead of feeling that good feeling, I felt very "fluish"... like I  was coming down with something... muscles ached.. couldn't concentrate.. felt blue.. it was enough to tell me I just can't keep doing this to myself.  

I've been telling myself I'm going to order that roasted green tea...!!! I'm going to do it tomorrow!! I won't put anything in  it, though..  it's the sugar and  milk / soy I  love too.. but  anyway, you are NOT alone on the coffee thing.. it's my only downfall on this whole diet.. I can follow everything else but this one thing.. but.. now  I feel so bad  when I have it it's not even fun anymore...  
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coffee depletes the body of vitamin C, which I'm sure didn't help your body when it came to attempting to fight off the cold it (you) came down with.  You might try eating some foods that are high in C right now, such as limes or lemons, or even taking a vitamin C supplement for a week or so.


PT, THIS totally explains what happened w/ me.  I, like many here, let one cup of coffee, Starbuck's White Mocha, no less, sneak back into my diet. Then another and another and another, til I couldn't stop. What an idiot, and I don't use that word lightly, I was for doing so. As my adrenals are already weak and coffee just makes THAT problem worse, I was really asking for it. Now knowing that coffee robs/depletes your body of Vit C, that explains why I was craving grapefruit juice so strongly a couple of weeks before I got sick, as grapefruit juice is loaded w/ Vit C.  I've been sick 2-1/2 wks, finally went to the dr today. He says I have bronchitis, tho I don't have the yellow/green icky symptoms. My production is all clear. I do however have wheezing and rattling in my chest that has gone on for 2 wks, so now I'm on breathing treatments for a while, plus I got 2 shots in the rump. One antibiotic and one steroid and OUCH, did that one hurt!!!  Plus had to get the old reliable Ex-Lax to get things moving as the antibiotics have my intestines all in a knot, despite the fact I've been taking Polyflora and Acidophillus. Was it worth it? Just for coffee?? Well, as sheri puts it   "now that I'm feeling so bad, it 's not even fun to have anymore"........ so enough of the coffee already!! I'm only hoping I can remember for a very long time just how truly cr**py I'm feeling right now.




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....  I do get awful headaches/migraines when I stop drinking
it.  How long do these last for others, and what do you use to keep them manageable?  


Hello Latte Lovers,

Here’s what worked for me, in giving up coffee.  First get serious esophagus damage and then as an extra incentive I was injured in an accident and developed painful acid reflux from a hiatal hernia.  So by being in a lot of pain, I hardly noticed the two days of head aches when I stopped coffee cold turkey.

I’ll apologize if that testimonial seems harsh or scary.  But I’d like to make the point that coffee can really injure you eventually, if you are an O.

Previously I’ve mused that coffee is really the devil.  It’s that seductive for me.  I wonder if this will sound pathetic, but I actually went into Starbucks, ordered a huge cup of joe and I took it to a comfy chair where I simply breathed in the aroma.  Talk about missing my addiction.  Then I got myself a far less satisfying cup of herbal tea, which I drank.

On the positive side, I have noticed that  I’m  more “centered” without the caffeine/coffee.  Even while I still tend to worry about possible cancer risks, etc..  I think exercise helps my peace of mind / mood,  too.  

Years ago I came up with a personal rule which is supposed to be part of my philosophy, yet somehow I didn’t follow through when I knew coffee didn’t really seem good for me.  That  rule / concept is: Discipline is inevitable.

Well in the past I didn’t use discipline about my coffee vice, and now my discipline choices are no longer internal will, but forced or external discipline.  So you can take charge now, or be forced into it later by health problems.

So I hope everyone’s 13th step with this coffee habit, can be to substitute something more positive and healthy, and in the long run more rewarding than coffee.

P.S. lol, once I invented a drink at starbucks which I named the 13th. step, but that was supposed to be for people who’d had to much alcohol the previous night.  ... well it was funny at the time.  Best to you all, type_o
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My granddaughter and her friend made me some Sushi today and I ate it tonight and it was delicious. Just felt like a cup of coffee after it too.
Coffee to me is like  quality cigar smoke wafting by from a distance.
As long as I maintain the distance, everything is fine.
I made the cup of coffee and drank it, now I feel rotten. Will I ever learn!
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I made the cup of coffee and drank it, now I feel rotten. Will I ever learn!


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ok.. it's my morning ritual.. I'm sitting here at the computer.. now drinking my hot tea... today it's red tea... totally naked... you know.. I DO love hot tea with sugar and soy milk almost as much as coffee... but I think that the sugar is NOT good, either.. so..

One thing I'm working on is some arthritis in my knees.. coffee totally irritates that.. but I think the sugar is on the "neutral, infrequent" list for O arthritis BTD.  So I better just have it naked.. any thoughts on this?

P. S.   The coffee is calling my name in there.. good thing I read this post.. !!
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I tried to quit coffee and caffeine cold turkey b/c of breast lumps back in grad school....I was fine when I could take a 2-hour nap every day over the weekend, but I had a screamer of a headache for 3 days in the middle of the afternoon.  So I said "forget it" then, and kept on with the coffee.

Before the BTD came into my life, I was travelling in Ireland (before coffee started to seep into everyday drinking for more people there), and after the 2nd cup of instant coffee I was served at a B&B, I switched to black tea.  Lots of it.  Easy transition off of coffee.

When it came to the BTD, remembering that experience in Ireland, I just switched to MORE green tea at first, to prevent the caffeine withdrawal, and then gradually tapered.  And yes, there are lots of types that are satisfying.  I find that the ritual itself is quite satisfying in the afternoon--green or another, neutral tea--and helps me with my tendency to "graze" in the kitchen.  (I am not a cow!  I am a panther!  Must not graze! Must not graze!   )

I had a relapse to coffee, really out of laziness (hubby brews a pot in the morning, asks if I want some, I sleepily say "sure" rather than fixing my pot of tea), but like type_O, there's nothing like a few days in the hospital to reset one's clock, so to speak!

Do others have the same reaction to black tea as they do to coffee?  I actually am finding that harder to give up, just because I like the variety.....for me, it's more of a gastric irritant....Also, I hang out in coffee shops a lot, and they often run out of or don't have green tea.  (I like the smell of coffee, and find having tea at a coffee shop satifies the need! )


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 (I like the smell of coffee, and find having tea at a coffee shop satifies the need! )



Wow, wish I had your determination and resistance. If I went to Starbucks, I'd be drinking coffee. Without a doubt. I'm just trying to avoid the place.  



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I wish it were determination and resistance.  It's just that I like the smell best.  Now, the determination and resistance is trying to avoid the honey (since of course they don't have glycerin or agave for sweeteners)....


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Now, the determination and resistance is trying to avoid the honey (since of course they don't have glycerin or agave for sweeteners)....


Bring your own. I have a small bottle of vegetable glycerin for outings.



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Ya know, caffeine sucks calcium out of your bones.  I am 36 years old with the bones of a 70 year old woman.    Why?  low calcium intake and high caffeine intake.  I suspect I am not the only O with this problem... especially with so many coffee lovers out there.   I urge you to wean yourself off caffeine, not just coffee.


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And one interesting thing is that coffee depletes the body of vitamin C


Is this true for blood type A's, as coffee is beneficial for them.
Great link here for the perils of coffee. Must bookmark this site  
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this is not meant for As.....
they don t take BTD individuality and genetics into account! )


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I'm glad I read this because I'm so wanting some coffee right now.  I have a headache and always when I have headaches I seem to want coffee to try and combat the headache - not a good plan.  Last week I had some coffee one morning after a night of a few drinks and eating avoids with friends and co-workers and I felt awful all day - really jittery and it tore up my stomach something awful - I must remember what that felt like.  

Any good O remidies for headaches though?


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avoid all there is in your avoid list!!)
worked for me!


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Water water water!  I forget to hydrate enough.  Hydrating and avoiding avoids really helps.  And then aspirin.

Npgillis:  yeah, the calcium thing is a problem, and of course caffeine is a drug, too.  But my calcium tests show mine is hunky dorey, so I think it's really variable.  I hear body type has a lot to do with it: thin gals are more often osteoporotic.  Not my problem!


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