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tholgate
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Has anyone out there overcome recurrent yeast infections w/4YBTD and 4YBTD supplements?  I don't believe I have candida - I have been through the three lac (sp?) supplements, have been through a candida diet, take probiotics, etc.  All seemed to have come down to stress.   I took a low dose of diflucan for 60 days last spring and they finally went away.  Since then I have been on the 4YBTD, or at least trying and have started the supplements.  However, a yeast infection has shown up again.  aaarrrrggghhhhh!!!!  This started last Fall after never having problems before (I'm 42).   Any suggestions or shared experiences would be appreciated!
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caprylic acid

for 6 weeks

i would find out if you are a non secretor or not...they..nonnies...tend to have a problem with yeast....but buy a test and see..if you are you need to eat less grains


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Thank you for the response.  What are: UDA plus, ARA6, and in what form does caprylic acid come in and what amounts for all of these?

Also, I cannot find out my secretor status because I am in NY.  Am going to try and get a relative to order for me, and then we'll figure out how to perform test and submit for results.

Less grains?  Already feeling like there is nothing for me to eat!  
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sorry

http://www.dadamo.com/napharm/BTstore/BTSstore.pl

use as directed on label

ask to get your Lewis Blood group tested through a blood test by your doctor...if it's Le (a+b-) you are a non secretor...

use as directed on label

caprylic acid comes in tablet form...any healthfood store will carry it

Meat & Poultry

Highly Beneficial: None

Neutral: Chicken, Cornish Hens, Turkey

Highly Beneficial: Carp, Cod, Grouper, Mackerel, Monkfish, Perch (Silver, Yellow), Pickerel, Red snapper, Rainbow trout, Salmon, Sardine, Sea trout, Snail, Whitefish

Neutral: Abalone, Albacore tuna, Mahimahi, Perch (Ocean, White), Pike, Porgy, Sailfish, Sea Bass, Shark, Smelt, Snapper, Sturgeon, Swordfish, Weakfish, Yellowtail

Eggs & Dairy

Highly Beneficial: Soy cheese, Soy milk

Neutral: Eggs; Farmer cheese, Feta, Goat cheese, Goat milk, Kefir, Low fat mozzarella, Low fat ricotta, String cheese, Yogurt (with fruit, frozen, plain)

Oils & Nuts

Highly Beneficial: Flaxseed oil, Olive oils; Flaxseeds, Peanuts, Pumpkin seeds

Neutral: Canola oil, Cod liver oil; Almonds, Almond butter, Chestnuts (Filberts), Hickory nuts, Litchi, Macadamia, Pine nuts, Poppy seeds, Sesame seeds, Sesame butter (tahini), Sunflower butter, Sunflower seeds, Walnuts

Beans & Legumes

Highly Beneficial: Aduke/azuki beans, Black beans, Green beans, Pinto beans, Soybeans, Lentils (green, red); Black-eyed peas

Neutral: Broad beans, Faba/fava beans, Cannellini, Jicama, Snap beans, String beans, White beans; Peas (green, snow)

Cereals & Grains

Highly Beneficial: Amaranth, Buckwheat/kasha, Ezekiel, Manna bread, Oat flour, Rice cakes, Rice flour, Rye Flour, Soba pasta, Soy bread

Neutral: Barley, Corn, Kamut, Oat bran, Oatmeal, Millet, Quinoa, Rice, Rye, Spelt, Wheat (bulgur flour, durum flour, only occasionally, see ER4YT)

Vegetables

Highly Beneficial: Artichokes, Beet leaves, Broccoli, Carrots, Chard, Chicory, Collards, Dandelion greens, Escarole, Garlic, Horseradish, Kale, Kohlrabi, Leeks, Lettuce (romaine), Okra, Onions (red, spanish, yellow), Parsley, Parsnip, Pumpkin, Spinach, Sprouts (alfalfa), Sunchoke, Tempeh, Tofu, Turnips

Neutral: Arugula, Asparagus, Avocado, Bamboo shoots, Beetroot, Bok choy, Caraway, Cauliflower, Celery, Chervil, Coriander, Corn, Cucumber, Daikon, Endive, Fennel, Fiddlehead Ferns, Lettuce (bibb, boston, iceberg, mesclun), Mushroom (abalone, enoki, maitake, portobello, shiitake, tree oyster), Mustard greens, Olives (green), Onions (green), Radicchio, Radishes, Rappini, Rutabaga, Scallion, Seaweed, Shallots, Snow Peas, Sprouts (brussels, mung, radish), Squash (all types), Waterchestnut, Watercress, Zucchini

Fruit

Highly Beneficial: Apricots, Blackberries, Blueberries, Boysenberries, Cherries, Cranberries, Figs, Grapefruit, Lemons, Pineapple, Plums/prunes,

Neutral: Apples, Currants, Dates, Elderberries, Gooseberries, Grapes (black, concord, green, red), Guava, Kiwi, Kumquat, Limes, Loganberries, Melons (canang, casaba, crenshaw, Christmas, musk, Spanish), Watermelon, Nectarines, Peaches, Pears, Persimmons, Pomegranates, Prickly pear, Raisins, Raspberries, Starfruit, Strawberries

Juices & Beverages

Highly Beneficial: Apricot, Black Cherry, Carrot, Celery, Grapefruit, Lemon-water, Pineapple, Prune juice; Coffee, Green tea, Red Wine

Neutral: Apple, Apple cider, Cabbage, Cucumber, Cranberry, Grape, Juices from acceptable vegetables; White wine

Spices & Condiments

Highly Beneficial: Barley malt, Blackstrap molasses, Garlic, Ginger, Miso, Mustard, Soy sauce, Tamari

Neutral: Agar, Allspice, Almond extract, Anise, Arrowroot, Basil, Bay leaf, Bergamot, Brown rice syrup, Cardamom, Carob, Chervil, Chives, Chocolate, Cinnamon, Cloves, Coriander, Corn (starch, syrup), Cream of Tartar, Cumin, Curry, Dill, Dulse, Honey, Horseradish, Kelp (bladderwrack), Maple syrup, Marjoram, Mint, Mustard (dry), Nutmeg, Oregano, Paprika (sweet), Parsley, Peppermint, Pimento, Rice syrup, Rosemary, Saffron, Sage, Salt, Savory, Spearmint, Sugar (brown, white), Tamarind, Tapioca, Tarragon, Thyme, Turmeric, Vanilla; Dressings-Jams-Relish from acceptable fruits/vegetables, occasional Pickles (dill, kosher, sweet, sour)

Herbals

Highly Beneficial: Alfalfa, Aloe, Burdock, Chamomile, Echinacea, Fenugreek, Ginger, Ginseng, Green tea, Hawthorn, Milk thistle, Rose hips, St. John's Wort, Slippery elm, Valerian

Neutral: Chickweed, Coltsfoot, Dandelion, Dong quai, Elder, Gentian, Golden seal, Hops, Horehound, Licorice root, Linden, Mulberry, Mullein, Parsley, Peppermint, Raspberry leaf, Sage, Sarsaparilla, Senna, Shepherd's purse, Skullcap, Spearmint, Strawberry leaf, Thyme, Vervain, White birch, White oak, Yarrow

Too Little to Eat for A's????


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I know . . . I'm whining.  But have eaten meat, potatoes, bread and pasta for 42 years.  It is quite a shock and will take some time to be successful.  Physician won't run any blood tests that are not diagnostic in nature and he doesn't consider 4YBT diet a good enough reason and doesn't believe yeast infections have anything to do with diet.  Thanks for the info!
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Mike, or anyone really, is there another word for caprylic acid?

I went to the local health food stores and a local pharmacy today looking for caprylic acid but no luck... The first hfs did say they had some products with caprylic acid as one of the ingredients, but not as a single product.. The next hfs hadn't heard about it before and couldn't even find a product containing it. At the pharmacy they said they knew it was used for creams sometimes, but was unsure about tablet form.. They did say they thought there was another name for it as well, but they couldn't remember what it was.. So, anyone got some more info on caprylic acid?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Avoid caprylic acid if you have an inflammatory bowel condition such as ulcerative colitis.

Side effects are rare, but reports of mild stomach upset and headaches have been associated with caprylic acid. To avoid these reactions, take caprylic acid with meals.


Ehm.. does this mean that I should not use caprylic acid when I've got (or at least had) some sort of inflammation in my intestines (which the doctors think is Crohn's) ?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

Currently trying to fight the albicans kritters, but seems like a never-ending battle..
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Solary makes a caprylic acid supplement "Capryl"  It also has some magnesium, some zinc,  and some calcium.  The point of that is to make it slow release (caprylic acid can be all taken up by the stomach, and never get to where it is needed, if you don't have it with these "buffers."  So check to see what the other ingredients are.  It may be exactly what you need.  
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Hmm

Still not much luck on the caprylic acid or capryl - so seems it's not that widely known in australian hf stores. Some had hear of it though, but they didn't have it in store and couldn't get it..

I'm going to place outside the city tomorrow and there's a larger hfs there, so will try again..

I did finally get Xylitol though

So now I gotta figure out how much to take of that per day


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Oh, btw, I was told at the hfs that the caprylic acid is made from coconut.. Coconut is an avoid for us Os and I also think I might have an allergy to it (it's one of a few things a cut out a couple of years ago when I got some allergic reactions..)..

Is there som reason that the caprylic acid from coconut isn't an avoid? Like the stuff in the coconut that makes it an avoid is not present in the caprylic acid or similar?


Suspecting: Crohn's (biospy, not 100%), Candida, wheat allergy/coeliac?, chronic sinusitis, fistulation :/, juvenile arthritis(?), milk intolerance...

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Hmm

Still not much luck on the caprylic acid or capryl - so seems it's not that widely known in australian hf stores. Some had hear of it though, but they didn't have it in store and couldn't get it..

I'm going to place outside the city tomorrow and there's a larger hfs there, so will try again..

I did finally get Xylitol though

So now I gotta figure out how much to take of that per day


Go without and use the other methods



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TheViking what is Xylintol used for?
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Caprylic acid is on the Dr. D. protocol for candida for O's.  I believe there is somewhere an explanation of why it is ok (old thread), but I would not worry about it.  A lot of BTD thought went into the development of his protocols (BTD encyclopedia), and I doubt you will go wrong.  I certainly have not had any trouble that I know of following the BTD encyclopedia advice, and think it is, at least for the vast majority of us, pretty firm ground.  When one is starting to resolve a complex of symptoms, one just needs to stand somewhere!
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Is xylitol better than sweetening with stevia?
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Stevia is great, but xylitol seems to be good against candida.  Also, x. does not have any bitter undertone.
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Is xylitol okay for all blood types?
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Is xylitol okay for all blood types?


It hasn't been tested.


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Is there information on how effective xylitol is at fighting candida?  As I said before about the whipping cream, I don't want to create something by giving my son an avoid (if that's the case with the xylitol) - but if it's something that can make a difference in this horrible battle...  I've been using strevia up to now and Elizabeth, you're right, you do have to be careful with amounts because of the bitter taste.  
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Has anyone tried treating yeast with Candex?  I've had luck keeping it at bay with this.
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''Dr D mentioned that xylitol produced diarrhea in about 50% of his patients.

xylitol does not provoke insulin release as does glucose
xylitol is a byproduct of the plywood industry; it is extracted from birch
cellulose by an energy-intensive chemical process.  It is linked to cancer
and urinary kidney stones in animal studies.
xylitol ... is a 'natural' sugar found first in Finland in the sap of beach/
poplar trees.  It is a simple sugar that does not trigger any involvemnt by
insulin.  'Fantastic' thought I for people prone to diabetes and for 0-nonnies
(who are always on the lookout for a 'sugar-fix'). ''


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Xylitol is clearly not one to overdo, but I think it has its place.  Also called "birch sugar."  On one site, regular (not alternative) pediatricians found it reduces the number of ear infections in children.  The dose is very small.  (Just wandering around on the web to see if I could find anything else useful.)  I will try to paste in here from the Dr. Greene.com site:

Parents need to know about this gentle, effective solution especially if their children get ear infections. Xylitol (pronounced zie-lit-tall) is a sweet substance found naturally in raspberries and plums. What is it, exactly, and what does it do? The xylophone is a percussion instrument consisting of a series of wooden bars of increasing lengths, which when struck makes sounds of the musical scale. The "xyl" in xylophone comes from the Greek word xylan, meaning wood. A xylophone makes sound from wood; xylitol is a sugar made from wood.

Xylitol, also called wood sugar, can be made from the cell walls of most land plants. Xylan, the naturally occurring substance that yields xylitol when refined, is found most commonly in straw, corncobs, oat hulls, cottonseed hulls, and wood. Xylitol is a common food sweetener. Unlike most sugars which have 6 carbon atoms, this naturally sweet substance has only five.

While other sugars tend to promote the growth of bacteria, xylitol has been proven to inhibit the growth of bacteria. In particular it has been shown to be effective in preventing dental cavities by inhibiting Strep mutans, the main bacteria responsible for cavities.

Since the major cause of ear infections is Strep pneumo, a species of bacteria closely related to Strep mutans, perhaps xylitol would prove effective in preventing ear infections. Researchers from Finland tested this hypothesis and published the results of their investigation in the British Medical Journal (November 1996).

The study included 306 children in day care nurseries, most of whom had a history of repeated ear infections. Half of the children chewed xylitol-sweetened gum (2 pieces, 5 times a day -- after all meals and snacks); the other half chewed ordinary gum at the same frequency. During the 2 months of the study, 21% of the regular gum chewers, but only 12% of the xylitol group, had one or more ear infections. Gum chewing by itself, by promoting swallowing and thus clearance of the middle ear, probably prevents some ear infections. The sugar in the regular-sugar-sweetened gum may have offset this effect by promoting bacterial growth in the children who chewed this ordinary gum. By contrast, in this study, xylitol dropped the incidence of ear infections by almost half!

In the xylitol group, children took a total of 8.4 grams of xylitol daily. Most experienced no side effects, but two of them developed diarrhea -- a known side effect of xylitol and other sweeteners.

A small number of children, almost all of them of Jewish descent, have a congenital enzyme defect making them unable to digest xylitol. This condition is called pentosuria. There are no associated disabilities.

No treatment, and no dietary restriction, is necessary. The xylitol is absorbed into the body and then excreted in the urine. The only problem arising from pentosuria is that children having this sugar in the urine are sometimes mistakenly diagnosed with diabetes, and receive diabetic treatment. Pentosuria has no relationship to diabetes. Children with pentosuria could still use xylitol to prevent ear infections.

This Finnish study, making use of the natural, gentle antibiotic properties of plants, is an exciting development. A similar study conducted by the same authors in 1998 (Journal of Pediatrics) confirmed the results found. While much research remains to be done (e.g. the optimal amounts and delivery systems), xylitol seems to be a safe and effective way to reduce the number of ear infections. I suspect it will also prove useful in preventing sinus infections, because the same bacteria are involved.



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Has anyone tried treating yeast with Candex?  I've had luck keeping it at bay with this.


My son's been taking Candex for about 3 months.  While I want to say that it's been working, I'm just not sure if it's the Candex or the probiotics or the combination of the two along with antifungals and diet that have been working - Or maybe doing any combination of probiotics, enzymes, diet, antifungals would eventually make a difference when it's done for an extended period of time.   We've been treating this for 5 1/2 months and even though he's better today than he was even one month ago, he's still far from over it.
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My son's been taking Candex for about 3 months.  While I want to say that it's been working, I'm just not sure if it's the Candex or the probiotics or the combination of the two along with antifungals and diet that have been working - Or maybe doing any combination of probiotics, enzymes, diet, antifungals would eventually make a difference when it's done for an extended period of time.   We've been treating this for 5 1/2 months and even though he's better today than he was even one month ago, he's still far from over it.[
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I've been told by my health food store that you had to take probiotics WITH the Candex.  The Candex kills the yeast (with no die-off effects or other negative side effects) and that you had to replace the bad bacteria with good...

So far, it works very well for me, keeping those ichy creatures away.  Of course, limiting sugar and starches helps too.  But I'm going to move on to the suggested recipe earlier of BTD products in addition to the Candex. I believe its safe to take for extended periods as its simply an enzyme (albeit very effective).

Everyones input is extremely helpful.  Nice to know you're not the only one out there with this aweful beast inside.  By the way, while we're being graphic, "if she has it, he has it".  Guys can get it from girls, the old-fashioned way, if you know what I mean.  My OBG didn't know this.  In fact, he didn't know a lot about yeast.

Cheers!
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