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dancer
Thursday, June 16, 2005, 9:41am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello!
I know there is  already one thread about  candida- yeast infection
but it's soo long and I write x only a SPECIFIC TOPIC:

DAILY  BTD ANTI-CANDIDA/YEAST MENU.

Are you interested in it?
Could you give me your example?
It'ld help me to recognize and understand  my errors, to learn new options and make more secure and true choices!

There is another thread titled Vegetarianism....I totally agreed that VEGAN TYPE 0 is BAD ! But I'm sad.... I deeplyI'm  following BTD 0 diet  with no sugars, dairy, grains and a lot of vegs+meat+fish+oils+nuts ... but I CONTINUE TO BE TOO MUCH BLOATED AND CONSTIPATED...so I'm feeling VERY DEPRESSED and DISCOURAGED...and I don't understand more what I'm doing of wrong with my diet...

If you find helpful and interesting this thread....
please, answer it and let me know your DAILY  BTD ANTI-CANDIDA/YEAST MENU!
many thanks!

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I too am interested.  So far apart from eliminating (bare minimum) the sugars (grains fruits) the one tip I am trying compliments of Car54, is the 3-4 cloves of raw garlic which I'm sprinkling either on my vegetables of an evening, or just at dishing in soup, or as this morning, into the gravy over my chicken.  It has been a bit of a shock to my tastebuds but I do think I'm benefitting.  The first day and a half I was blighted with the 'headache' I've now come to associate with detoxing and so whether it is candida or something else in my system, something was getting a hurry up with the addition of the raw garlic.  My head has now cleared and I'm continuing with the garlic.  See where it leads me!
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Ohhh, I am confused. Do you want to know what we have eaten today? OH finally another constipation person!!! Iam so sorry for you BUT so happy I am NOT alone! I thinkI have become known as the  "Rabbit pellet" queen!.
John M. on the other  Candida site (I think), yes it long but  WOW so much info....but anywoo.. he has a recipe  for a goo....yep its a goo for the constipation.
OK, you take 2 TBS of  Ground flaxseed  put it in a glas of warm water, let it sit all night, in the morning you drink this disgusting  stuff ( boy, make this sound awful..but..) and bingo.. you go. Now I understand why..everything inside runs for its constipated life!!  Sorry John, it  hard going down.

Ok.. today I had.

Morning: warm water with some lemon, finished up some  fish and greens (with Candida , you not suppose to eat things left in frig over 24 hours), and ALL my morning supplements

Mid morning: few almonds (have another sore on tongue , so not happy eating probably too much lemon)

Lunch: BIG salad with lettuce, snap peas, celery, little garlic, grilled beef, 2 tbs fresh ground flax seeds and 2 tbs  flax seed oil and tiny bit lemon as dressing. Lunch supplements

dinner hasn't happened: but it will be a vegetable soup. Will take the nighttime  stuff for the candida after dinner.

If I am craving or hungry later, I will have some organic almond butter (trying to continue losing  weight from this candida diet)

Caroline







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Today  my menu is:

Breakfast :
Almond Yougurt ( homemade yogurt with achidophilus) + vegetable glycerine+ mallow & fennel infusion.

Break:
vegetable juice ( 200 ml) : carrot+beet+celery

Lunch:
onions steamed + parsley +
flax oil+
rainbow-trout

Break:
some red plums or cherry

Dinner:
steamed daikon+
fresh cichory salad+ flax oil+
rainbow trout (it was a BIG fish, and I'm alone...!)

+ 2 l of water + hymalain salt  in the day.


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Food  for 6/18/05

Breakfast:  some beef scramble with 1 egg.  2 cups green tea

Break: few almonds I was on the run

Lunch: acorn squash  mashed 2tbs flaxseed oil and 3 tbs fresh ground flaxseed , chicken

dinner: Tuna stirfry (yum)

120 ounces water in the day


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today :
Breakfast :
almond yogurt+ veg glycerine

Lunch:
steamed beets+ chicken + flax oils

break
some red plums

dinner:
chicory+lettuce romain + chicken + flax oil

and a lot of water!

Caroline...what's TUNA STIRFRY?
did you eat alone or with some vegetables?
ciao ciao


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The Russians would say "How's your liver today?" A good detox would be great start before having any normal meals.

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I know it  Hadoken,
I TOTALLY AGREE wit YOU!
MY  LIVER is always in difficulty...I 've high level of transaminasi...
so...what do you suggest x type 0  ( a little underweight + systemic yeast infection) liver detox?
What do you mean by  ..having any normal meals?
Do you think that my daily menu , in my conditions, is correct or should I have to change something ?
thanks!
ciao
 


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Breadkast:
sliced steak and steamed artichokes
Green tea and veg glycerine
Supplements

Lunch:
Cod and steamed veggies - carrots, asparagus

snack: green tea, dried peas (my version of chips)

Dinner: will probably have benny veggies, pumpkin seeds and garlic - maybe a little protein as I am going to work out

I also really suffer from constipation - I think it is related to slow digestion, stress and a toxic liver.  I have found that a powdered mag/calcium combo dissolved in water in the morning and evening really helps
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dear dancer
monday breakfast- 18g protein powder,19g nutritional yeast flakes,1 egg,1 banana & spinach,watercress,seaweed & filtered water/or chicken stock,& fresh ginger
snack 1 tbsp pumpkin seeds
late lunch/early dinner roast chicken,roast carrots & roast butternut squash & steamed swede,broccoli & greens
approx 6 pints water & 2 mugs green tea

other days breakfast same but lunch usually earlier & combination of vegeables with either fish or meat

dinner vegetables & fish/meat but not so much.

i too suffer with candida which i'm taking threelac but its kind of dawned on me today.that really the anti candida diet is very much like the non secretor diet which in turn seems to equate somewhat with low carbohydrate diet.so its a bit of a vicious circle.
i do get constipation on & off & hadnt 'been' for over 2 days.i'm wondering if its because on thursday,friday & saturday in my smoothies i used my homemade soup which has more chicken in it than the stock & consequently the chicken & the fruit ganged up together on me & constipated.
however strangely today i lost half a pound.which i'm wondering if its because i've cut down on my fruit in my smoothies.i'm only having 1 piece of fruit instead of two.
i dont know & its doing my brain in trying to figure it out anymore to be honest.if the candida dont get me the stress will.
However i am no expert & only offer some pointers which may or may not help you.
looking at your diet that you posted

Breakfast :
Almond Yoghurt ( homemade yogurt with achidophilus) + vegetable glycerine+ mallow & fennel infusion.

Break:
vegetable juice ( 200 ml) : carrot+beet+celery

Lunch:
onions steamed + parsley +
flax oil+
rainbow-trout

Break:
some red plums or cherry

Dinner:
steamed daikon+
fresh cichory salad+ flax oil+
rainbow trout (it was a BIG fish, and I'm alone...!)

1)do you think if you had more protein for breakfast it would keep you going for longer?
2)you appear to be having quite a bit of fruit.whilst i know fruit generally isnt avoid & i know there are two schools of thought about fruit & anti candida diets.here is my take on it inmh.avoid dried fruit its too high in sugar & you'll feed the little critters.have the freshest fruit possible the less ripe the better.the more ripe a fruit is the more sugar there is & that means more food for the little critters.
However,too much fruit & there still will be too much sugar for you know who.its a sad fact but there it is.what is hard is once you have the candida under control you have to maintain it.Hence this is where the low carbs comes in.you can slowly reintroduce these foods & cut back if candida bounces back.the trouble i'm finding that once you've been low carb forq uite some time your body gets used to it & then you find you start gaining weight purely cos your reintroducing these carbs.
its a vicious circle of which i'm trying to figure a way out,help!



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i have a question Debs, i thought that nutritional yeast and candida were major no-way's. i notice its in ur breakfast tho. u clearly know more than i if its working for u.. can u comment?
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one more qu: almond yogurt.. can u tell me more? i've looked at the recipes on file and cant find it. would u share?
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Hi debs,

Still trying to find out if I am right about this ... I am attempting to recruit some of the players most familiar with my gut and avoid making decisions as if they were not there at all.  Any low-carb regime will not only affect candida overgrowth but both good and bad flora species of bacteria as well.  Candida is not a bacteria, but a fungus.

In making a very strong flora ... candida, bacterial overgrowths and most parasites will recede.  All flora bacteria need some carbos to survive ... good and bad.  By cutting carbs, maybe you are just making more room for the candida.  The trick then is to be highly selective in the carbs you do eat.

Eat only certain compliant carbs ...and as you said no-dried-fruit.  But just as bad is fruit juice ... none!  Eat daily fiber ... (which are just special carbs) ... ground flax - 2Tbsp in 8oz water ... + FOS and/or ARA6 (1tsp/day)... apple/grapefruit pectin (2 tabs/meal) + barley/wheat grass powder (1Tbsp/day) + some homemade meat/fish broth ... + extra B and C vitamins and your candida should fade, permanently.  The strategy then is to eat in such a way as to make for a very strong flora.  It in-turn will take care of any overgrows - candida, or otherwise.

John


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I know it  Hadoken,
I TOTALLY AGREE wit YOU!
MY  LIVER is always in difficulty...I 've high level of transaminasi...
so...what do you suggest x type 0  ( a little underweight + systemic yeast infection) liver detox?
What do you mean by  ..having any normal meals?
Do you think that my daily menu , in my conditions, is correct or should I have to change something ?
thanks!
ciao
 


Dancer, I think what your eating is fine....with the candida you  just need to watch the fruit intake. its sad since summer fruit is in season.

tuna Stir Fry... is nothing big, but taste good.   I take  a piece of tuna and chop it in small pieces.  I slice some bok choy, celery, onions, snap peas and some carrots.  I saute them  in a little olive oil.. season with whatever you feel like it ..add  the tuna and  just cook it  quickly. I then put some plaxseed  oil over it... thats it.

Caroline


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Last night in my dream
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We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


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Breadkast:
sliced steak and steamed artichokes
Green tea and veg glycerine
Supplements

Lunch:
Cod and steamed veggies - carrots, asparagus

snack: green tea, dried peas (my version of chips)

Dinner: will probably have benny veggies, pumpkin seeds and garlic - maybe a little protein as I am going to work out

I also really suffer from constipation - I think it is related to slow digestion, stress and a toxic liver.  I have found that a powdered mag/calcium combo dissolved in water in the morning and evening really helps


suz...
do you dry  your own peas?  How do you do it? and I am interested in the  stuff you take for  constipation...what is is? a powder?  how much of each?  
Caroline


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Sound of the ocean rocks me all night long.
Last night in my dream
I saw your face again
We were there in the sun
On a white sandy beach of Hawaii


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Deb, just a thought..... since I have been following the Candida ritual..I have become WAY more  constipated. I am  startng to believe it is part of the die off process  .  

I was going to start the morning off with  some stewed prunes,,,but  oooooooooo bad idea, too much sugar and the yeast is  just crying out to be fed!
Caroline


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i have a question Debs, i thought that nutritional yeast and candida were major no-way's. i notice its in ur breakfast tho. u clearly know more than i if its working for u.. can u comment?


nutritional yeast isnt the same.its not a living yeast its dead with all the beneficial b vitamins thats why you mustnt cook with it as you will destroy the essential b vitamins.
recipe for almond yoghurt maybe in the recibase.
candida die off will constipate you but thats why when i bought threelac i bought their oxi enzyme & their oxi ? something liquid that helps with die off but i've run out & short of cash  

john- i realise candida die off would affect the flora balance thats why i take a probiotic supplement thats why when candida killed off(although you cant kill it completely) you have to keep taking probiotics and only add compliant carbs extremely gradual otherwise those critters will start all over again.
i do take citricidal grapefruit seed extract but wary of grapefruit in general as taking quite a few supplements & grapefruit & supps do not mix.
what do you think?



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Hmm, natto for breakfast - usually with scallion and a raw egg. Some fish too, but unfortunately often from a can. Some self prepared mustard and some soy sauce to spice it all up. Usually also some wallnuts goes with this too. Loads of pills and some protein powder with diluted berry juice of some kind.

Green tea or some Indian coffee substitute for snack and some fruit salad with some tahini.

Lunch takes form with a slice of turkey loaf on a slice of rye-amaranth cracker topped with some diluted peanut butter and a salad leaf or two. I try to blend some honey into this and that to check my tolerance with variable results.

Snack probably not on due to not feeling very well at this point But I tend to half force myself to have a fruit or something, possibly with soy yoghurt. If I'm on the move I tend to have trail mix of peanuts and dried figs and apricots and occasionally suffer not very nice results from eating it - headache an such.

Decaffeined coffee with soy milk and perhaps some almonds.

Some red or dry white wine before or after dinner.

Dinner almost always is a disaster unless it is just some very basic miso soup but I tend to try some sauted vegetables or even risotto or kasha.

I take probiotics, melatonin, calcium-potassium-magnesium-bor? and licorice before going to bed and OPC's twice daily to keep my memory going.

Looking forward to trying nettle root as I just had a session with sweet desserts and seem to need something to get the balance right. These desserts were carefully prepared with neutral sweeteners and grains but didn't do me any good especially when I didn't have enough cooling space to keep them from spoiling.


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Caroline,
I buy the dried peas from Wholefoods - they are called "just peas" - they are the only carb thing I have other than the occasional sweet potatoe. They are peas with nothing added - when dried, they have a slight sweet flavor to them.
The calcium/mag combo is wonderful for pushing things along - I can't remember what the brand is  (I am not at home right now) - I think it is called Perque.  I also take 1/2 teaspoon of their vitamin C powder - with each meal - this helps the constipation.  I also drink a weak cup of "dieters tea" in the evening - purely for constipation. I think it is very important to get things moving - that is the only reason I am taking the tea right now.
I am hoping to have some success with the UDA Plus from Dr D. - I am taking four capsules a day.  This is a new addition to my candida protocol.
Wow - this is not an easy thing to beat!  I long to have fruit!
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Hello everyone!
today it's my birthday ...I'm 31 years old , now!
I'm happy to have so many  friends from all the world, and to have BTD  to follow to  improve my health and  to undertand -deeply- and take care of   my body, and my mind.

About my menu:
today
Breakfast .
macadamia yougurt + veg glycerine

Lunch:
steamed summer pumpkin + flax oil &
perch.

break:
some fresh cherries

Dinner:
steamed daikon + raw chicory +
flax oil & perch with herbs ( rosemary+ thyme+ curcuma)

I want to try to eat 2 eggs + vegetable x my Breakfast, 3 times x week ( alternatively with my favourite almond or macadamia or walnut homemade yogurt).
I think it's hard x me to eat meat or fish x breakfast, as first  meal in the morning...!
here in Italy the breakfast of 99% peolple is:
milk or yogurt + toasted bread or cereals or biscuits + honey or jam ...

I'm happy to not follow this  standard meal  and to have my BTD compliant breakfast .

Yes. i'm eating some fruits ( beneficial only)  ABSOLUTELY NOT FRUIT JUICES..
I'm eating some fruits x my carbs necessarious intake and to avoid chetosy..

I know that there are 2 different school of thinking about anty-yeast diet.
1) NO -NO ALL SUGARS ( honey & FRUITS) - only a litlle quantity of whole grains
2) YES ONLY SOME SPECIFIC SUGARS ( like John reports in his reply)

I 'm following BTD 0 with the principles of SCD diet that allows only simply charboidrates. ( I've sent a message about WHY COOCKED FRUITS CAN BE EATEN IF A CHILD HAS YEAST). http://www.breakingtheviciouscycle.info
I'm following BTD 0 + SCD because with systemic fungus infection I've COLITIS and IBS..and so complex carbs won't be the answer.
My injured gut won't be able to digest  them and they'll end up being even more food for the microbes, yeast, fungus, that I'm trying to get rid off.

Before to find SCD I was following BTD  eatinf gluten-free grains porridge for 1 of my meal ( mostly x breakfast) but I continued to be bloated, sugars craving and terribly UNDERWEIGHT!
So I was so desperate..I was ending up to go the hospital ( where  the menu is STANDARD : milk+ toasted bread + jam x breakfast - white pasta or rice with tomato & grana cheese + meat or fish+ vegetables + white bread x lunch and dinner ...!!!!!AARGHHH!)
so I tried SCD  principles  keeping my BTD 0 list x my food choices of avoid and beneficial.
I STOP ALL GRAINS ( also the gluten free grains -like rice , quinoa and amaranth that I was eating) and I star to eat more NUTS ( almond, walnut, macadamia)  finely groundend  until to obtain a sort of nut-butter... and x my carbs I used coocked fruits and root vegetables..
Well ...I didn't go to the hospital because , from January 2005 to June 2005, now, I  gained 7 KILOS!!!
from 34,5 kg to 41,5 kg x 1,66m!!!
I've still abdomynal  pains , constipation ,  IBS, and fungus overgrown..but the gained weight is a sign of recovery, I think, even if it  is a very slow recovery...

I had know an american  nutritionist (Mr Russel Mariani) - John know him and his intestynal rejuvenation program- . He healed himself from ALL DYGESTIVE PROBLEMS  searching about nutrition, diets and natural health medicine x many hears...
He followed a MABCROBIOTIC DIET  when the doctor told him he had a colon cancer and that he was dying...Stopped to eat all the red meat he was eating 3 times x day and he stared to eat whole grains, no meat ...etc...with the years he changed his first approach to natural diet , too rigid  such as his first  MACROBIOTIC DIET. if one diet is REALLY GOOD and HEALTHY IT CAN BE SIMPLE  and APPETIBLE TO FOLLOW x ALL THE PEOPLE..Now he eats. whole garins, red meat, fish, many vegetables, miso soup ...a lot of variety of sesonal foods of EVERY FOODS CATEGORY.He thinks that PERFECT HEALTH MEANS THE ABILITY TO EAT AND DIGEST  EVERYTHING YOU WANT AND LIKE. ( I asked him what is his bllot type, but he didn't know...I think he is an A type...and so he had had beneficies stopping red meat and eating grains...Anyway he knows BTD System but he wrote me that BTD doesn't give REAL GOOD POSITIVE  HEALTHY RESULTS on long time...and that BTD theory  and tests are  based on HEALTHY BLOOD...
(I don't agree with him!!!)  
He suggested me to eat WHOLE GRAINS PORRIDGE x my breakfast , to CUT ALL SUGARS ( fruits + honey) and to take a synergic nutracetical supplement of  PROBIOTIC + ENZYMES based on KLAMATH ALGA- a  natural power-food containing all the minerals, proteins, vitamins  and  essential fatty acids we need ( CELL-TECH is the distributor of these products). http://www.celltech.com
I know that ALGA KLAMATH is avoid x type 0 and there are  some doubts
about its purity ( so , as Isa Manuela always remembers, Klamath is ILLEGAL in Switzerland).
So I didn't start his program and suggestions...x lack of money to buy all those american supplements and  because I believe that HAVING TROUBLE TO COMPLETELY DIGEST COMPLEX CARBS , with an irritate and inflammated bowel and gut , all those undigested carbs 'll finish to feed  all the bad patogens!

So I'm continuing to following my BTD 0 diet WHITOUT DAIRY & GRAINS.
I eat mostly proteins+ fats+ nuts( butter)+ VEGETABLES and BENEFICIAL FRUITS X MY p.m break . and I use, instead of GRAINS, some BENEFICIAL BEANS ( like adzuky) .
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all the best to you!
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I had no idea that Candida die off causes constipation - is that really true?  I thought maybe candida causes constipation in the first place.  Ever since I addes the UDA Plus to my protocol, I am constipated.  I am also taking milk thistle to help the liver - wonder if that causes the same?
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hi suzedgar yes candida die off can cause constipation thats one of the reasons threelac offer other things to take alongside it.as the candida is killed off it can jam the old works.


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Debs,
This threelac stuff - is it Dr D approved?  I know it is expensive but is it worth it? Sorry to ask you again - what is the website address?  Did the oxy stuff help your constipation?
Thanks
Suz
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Debs,
I found the threelac website - sounds a bit too good to be true.  What have you done to combat the constipation? How long have you done the threelac for and what were your die-off symptoms?
Sorry for all the questions - but I am really considering doing this
Suz
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Hi debs,

The reason that I focus on the health of our flora is for the sake of perminancy and stability.  If you look at candida growth as natural and as seasonally cyclical, you arrive at a whole different understanding of just how to tend to it.  

We have 4 seasons - so lets start at WINTER ... mild ketosis time - very little to no sugar at all ... fiber and carbos are in the root veggies ... no greens (chlorophyl) ... a season of major candida/flora die-off because of small amt. of  sugars >>> SPRING continues the low sugar [except colostrum is a food very high in sugars.  I am starting to suspect that beach sap it laden with the sugar ribose.  Which gives very high energy but our bodies tend to make glycogen rather than make fat with it.]  trend ... no fruit of any kind here .... germination of all grains/seeds/nuts usually turns complex carbos into simple sugars - so eat only very slowly so amylase (sugar digestion) is done well before the end of the GI tract where the 'normal' home for candida is ... the greens are young grass powders and sprouts (BTD compliant veggies) ... this season is geared to a severe restriction on any overgrowths >>> SUMMER ups to intake of food considerably.  The quality (with chlorophyl and iodine(from seaweed)) and quantity of most foods.  And with this candida overgrowths are more likely .... eat few fruits ... as they come into local growth patterns - usually the price dips.  So for many North Americans it will mean (when fruit is eaten) mostly a fruit diet of berries.  Fruits from tropical climates usually have extremely high sugar levels ... and so are perhaps OK for folks with no candida ... no grains except perhaps rice - the advisement re. slow eating is very important - eating on-the-run is a quick trip to an early grave!  I find it also interesting that most anti-candida plants ripen at this time - grapefruit (seed extract), olive leaf, etc  The strength of our flora should also peak here ... it should be considered as the major candida fighter. >>> AUTUMN is harvest time and sugar content in all fruits/veggies is maximized.  Without modern reliance on storage: this season's grains come through with carbos (which are chains of sugars - tied together) ... this is THE season that is hardest on a person with overgrowth problems, but strongly adhering to BTD basics will help immensely ... +++ .... anyone (except the O nonnie) should drink cabbage rejuvelac especially AWAY from the acidity that comes via meals.  To increase the acidophilus it should help to take 1tsp of the FOS stirred into the juice.  [FOS is a very, very important fiber.  It is a carbo that does not break into smaller sugars, nor does it trigger insulin production; but it DOES feed the microbes of the flora especially the acidophilus.  The vast majority of any supplemented flora bacteria will not survive past the acididity of the stomach.  Since 0's are known for high acid in their stomach, very few bacteria will survive if they are not enteric coated.] It is interesting to note how prominent the colour orange is here ... carrots, yams, and pumpkins are met with an 'orange' (declining)sun and often a harvest-moon.  Onions, garlic, and beets make super-food choices.  At autumn's beginning a superior anti-candida fighter ripens.  It is the clove bud!  At the very end of autumn (hunting season)... a diet high in meat will trigger easy ketosis for O's. >>> then WINTER again

So the general answer re. candida is - it depends.  

I noticed that you had thought of a candida-depression link.  This is very true.  The cyclic patterning also occurs in depression.  Example: SUMMER ... is mainly chlorophyl-green + edible flowers.  Why is the traditional colour of joy, yellow?  Isn't the sun - yellow?  Should we not exercise (work in the garden) here?  To counter this should we not sleep outdoors as often as possible, away from any artificial light?  Shouldn't we focus on blueberries here as a summer-fruit?  [Strange ... the indigo pigmentation of blueberries is the same as the night sky.]
One of the 'worst' things to do is to pick one that works and stick-to-it.  By varying strategies in tune with the seasons, this too can end.

...... much more too ......

different ideas !!!!!!!

John


“The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane.” – Marcus Aurelius

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