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sassrm
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Hi there, I'm new to SWAMI as of a week. I am a vegan who began the BTD on Oct.13, then began the GTD on Nov.13. I have continued my vegan eating, except for twice trying a piece of fish and shrimp, AND I guess I am truly not a vegan because I use all my recommended Dr. D'Adamo supplements and I take Fish Oil. I have had great success with each program and want to continue on that path.

As I said I really want to continue my vegan nutrition. I became a vegan four years ago after endless GI issues, GERD, Collitis, IBS, and needing Prilosec twice daily, while thinking I was so healthy living a body building type diet of Organic Grass Fed high protein/no carb diet. After plenty of "issues" and trial and errors, I began being a vegan and I haven't needed any of those medications since. All of the GI issues went away completely. So for me I have had tremendous health benefits. Also, at this point, I TRULY honestly know the only animal products I really could go back to eating is Seafood, Butter/Ghee. My goal, now that I have SWAMI, is to focus  on my health and eliminating or controlling my asthma, allergic & non allergic rhinitis, and my allergies. Eliminating or reducing these RX's and allergy injections would be WONDERFUL!!

This is why I would love to hear you fellow SWAMI'S opinions, advice, and experiences wether vegan or not.
I know inflammation is the biggest issue for me, boy do I know it! So while offering advice please include if supplementing with more fish oil is a possibility as well.

Thanks in advance !! I am looking forward to your responses!
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Thanks for your informative response. I never knew ALL the vegetarian types and just read about pescatarian. I may try eating fish/seafood again. Currently it isn't appealing to me, but I am open to change.

While I am not eating Fish/Seafood, is it possible to increase my daily fish oil supplement to get the anti -inflammatory benefits ?


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While I am not eating Fish/Seafood, is it possible to increase my daily fish oil supplement to get the anti -inflammatory benefits ?


Not being type O and not seeing you, etc...  I wonder whether you need the protein mix from the fish as well as the oils all together to get maximum benefit.  

I think one of the major problems we have with all of the refined foods is that we are trying to micromanage nutrition, rather than eating the whole food and letting the body utilize what it needs.  I can't help think that there are natural bonds or connections with the various nutrients/components of natural foods in their whole state that we humans still have no knowledge of...


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Quoted from ABJoe


I think one of the major problems we have with all of the refined foods is that we are trying to micromanage nutrition, rather than eating the whole food and letting the body utilize what it needs.  I can't help think that there are natural bonds or connections with the various nutrients/components of natural foods in their whole state that we humans still have no knowledge of...


No doubt.  We can probably get a leg up towards optimum health if we adjust carefully, but our foundational requirements remain the same. I would think that anything disruptive of the perfect synchronous balance of a whole food would also disrupt the body that's been evolved to accommodate it.


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I appreciate your responses and I do agree that following the proper balance of whole foods and supplements are key to achieving optimal health.

Within weeks of beginning the BTD I saw great changes, which increased following the GTD, and now that I have SWAMI I know I will see further improvements.


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Quoted from sassrm
After plenty of "issues" and trial and errors, I began being a vegan and I haven't needed any of those medications since. All of the GI issues went away completely. So for me I have had tremendous health benefits. Also, at this point, I TRULY honestly know the only animal products I really could go back to eating is Seafood, Butter/Ghee. My goal, now that I have SWAMI, is to focus  on my health and eliminating or controlling my asthma, allergic & non allergic rhinitis, and my allergies. Eliminating or reducing these RX's and allergy injections would be WONDERFUL!!
I know inflammation is the biggest issue for me, boy do I know it! So while offering advice please include if supplementing with more fish oil is a possibility as well.
Hi and glad you got tremendous health benefits and haven't needed any of those medications since!!
Not sure though, if you know but the issues you still have are also gut related?! All conditions pretty well begin from the health of the gut lining... I wonder how you'd feel about meat or bone broth, to transition from being vegetarian and a way of healing that gut lining?

Concerned re any O's taking too many fish oils!! Fish oil thins the blood and O's don't need their blood thinning any more - after once taking too many fish+VitE+flax oil caps myself, I suffered chronic nose bleeds till I worked out what the problem was!!

All the best!! It's not easy getting back to eating meat - I was vegetarian once too!!
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This is how fish oil is faring in the trials-- might want to think about the membrosia cocktail instead.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3914521/


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
This is how fish oil is faring in the trials-- might want to think about the membrosia cocktail instead.


http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3914521/


Andrea--I just skimmed this exhaustive report.  Anyone else wish to chime in here?  Am I the only one on the board that was unaware of this?

I take my Teacher supplements which include flax oil rather than fish, but I notice that some of the geno-type formulas do include fish.

After reading this report, why would anyone take fish oil supplements?  Am I missing something here?
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I, personally, don't think that being a Vegan, for an O, can coexist with health.  I would never say never, but I'm doubtful.  If you're a O Gatherer, I think that it's impossible.  Being Vegan means relying on plant protein and all of them except nuts are also starch.  Starch just is a problem for us Os.  I went Vegan for over a year and I was never more unhealthy in my life.   GI problems, constant fatigue, absurd weight gain, lethargy, brain fog,etc., etc.  All of the symptoms went away the moment put meat back into my diet.

Eggs are a great food for Os and that might be a place to start.  Please read up on the issue of radiation in all fish from Fukishima before relying on fish as your only animal protein.

This is all just my humble opinion, btw.


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Naturally, the author of the article does have a product to sell, which always complicates credibility.
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whatever you decide to do do it slowly as you have been meat free for a while you need to get you body used it meat again.

consider bone broths or things like chicken consume or beef consume soups, keep meat portion sizes small, only organic, perhaps try a little turkey.


take your time and if you are not keen on something now give it another try in a month or two.


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After reading this report, why would anyone take fish oil supplements?  Am I missing something here?


It has been shown to be useful in lowering triglycerides. That is for pancreatic rather than cardiovascular reasons.

I have also seen something recently that implicated high levels of EPA or DHA (or both, can't recall) with increased cancer risk. Unfortunately can't track it down and don't recall the details.

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I have also seen something recently that implicated high levels of EPA or DHA (or both, can't recall) with increased cancer risk. Unfortunately can't track it down and don't recall the details.



Not what I was looking for but this from Memorial Sloan Kettering Cancer Center has some other tidbits that may or may not be up to date:

http://www.mskcc.org/cancer-care/herb/omega-3

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A type of polyunsaturated fatty acid (PUFA) derived mainly from fish oil, omega-3 fatty acids are used as dietary supplement for depression, to lower cholesterol, and to reduce the risk of heart attack. A large survey of Finnish adults found that depressive symptoms were significantly higher among infrequent fish consumers (1) and other studies have shown that individuals with major depression have marked depletions in omega-3 fatty acids (2). Omega-3 fatty acid supplementation did not relieve depression in adults with major depression (3), mild to moderate depression (4), or perinatal depression (5), and yielded mixed results in those with schizophrenia (23). But data from a randomized trial suggest that omega-3 may be useful in reducing the risk of progression to psychiatric disorders and as a safe preventive measure in young adults at a risk for psychotic conditions (35).

Supplementation with docosahexaenoic acid (DHA) improved learning and memory function in age related cognitive decline (41). However, consumption of fish oil during pregnancy does not improve cognitive or language outcomes in newborns (37) and does not improve intelligence of the kids (42).
Studies of omega-3 fatty acid supplementation and cognition in young children (6) and elderly subjects (7) are inconclusive.

Omega-3 fatty acid supplementation lower cholesterol ( (33) and may reduce recurrence in patients with history of stroke (32). However, it does not lower the risk of cardiovascular disease events (9) Omega-3 may help patients with ulcerative colitis (10), but were ineffective in the treatment of Crohn's disease (13). In adults with rheumatoid arthritis, reduction in NSAID use was reported after omega-3 fatty acid supplementation (14). Omega-3 may lower the magnitude of the body's inflammatory response (1 and can reduce sensitivity to sunburn(20) and ultraviolet radiation (44). Reviews of trials using omega-3 fatty acids have shown possible benefits for patients with cystic fibrosis (21), but no benefit in those with asthma (22). Dietary supplementation with fish oil may help reduce the symptoms of systemic lupus erythematosus (24).
Findings of a systematic review support benefits of polyunsaturated omega-3 fatty acid consumption on insulin sensitivity and adipocyte function (45).

Data on omega-3 fatty acid supplementation for cancer prevention are inconclusive. It may reduce colon cancer risk (11) and improve immune response in patients undergoing colorectal cancer resection (12). But omega-3 fatty acid consumption did not affect cancer outcomes (15) (43) although data from a prospective study suggest its association with reduced occurrence of renal cell carcinoma in women (16). Fish oil supplementation may have an inverse association with risk of breast cancer (36). However, high blood concentration of omega-3 is associated with increased risk of prostate cancer (17). Further studies are needed.
Preliminary findings suggest benefits of fish oil supplementation in increasing efficacy of chemotherapy, improving survival (3, and for maintenance of weight and muscle mass (39) in patients with nonsmall cell lung cancer (NSCLC). An eicosapentanoic acid (EPA)-enriched oral supplement improved tolerability of chemotherapy in patients with advanced colorectal cancer (40).

Omega-3 fatty acids are thought to have anticoagulant effects. But studies show that they do not affect coagulation or platelet function after surgery (19).
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Thank you Lloyd.
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Are you 100% positive that you're an O? The simple fact that you did poorly on low carb, then felt better on a vegan diet makes me wonder if you're actually an A.


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Hello again Sassrm, think we already 'spoke" over on a Geno Harmonic thread a few days ago…

You're still very new to this who BTD/GTD/SWAMI thing, and I can't help but feel that you're rushing at it all, and consequently, are in a bit of a "tail spin" panic about having to eat meat, worrying about fish (radiation, mercury, PCBs) - safer to sit with the veggies/vegan option…and that is fine for the moment…stop worrying and relax - everything takes time.

Your Avatar denotes O+ Secretor, but you haven't stipulated how Swami "typed" you - I think you sound Explorer- ish - prone to environmental sensitivities and inflammation - of course, if you have been eating vegan for 4 years then likely, during that time, were fuelling your "body-building" with predominantly grain and legume proteins - these are both quite highly inflammatory to O's and may take quite some time to wash through your system…

LISTEN to your GUT (we have TWO ears, but only ONE mouth for a very good reason, and they should be used in that EXACT same proportion!)

Your gut didn't get "broken" overnight, and nor will it be "healed" overnight…you are most certainly in the right place to begin your road to recovery, stick with it, and have patience - Dr. D was already SO far ahead of the game twenty years ago - everything is factored into SWAMI already, it is truly you personal prescription to health…give it, and your healing the time it deserves…

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I have an O friend who is having a hard time eating meat (though she dose because she feels better when she dose   ) she has had wonderful results with bone and marrow broths once I showed her how to make them because she can make them into veggie soups and still get the nutrients she needs from meat. always been a meat eater myself and I have low sugar issues that grains and other starches greatly aggravate. I had other issues that I did not even realize until I dropped the three nastiest one the bt list (corn, wheat, and soy) when I did I realized how tired and brain fogged I was. I also (after a couple of years of being a good girl) noticed my skin clearing up of some of it's issues.
in short I think you will feel even better than you already do and may find things "fixing" themselves that you did not even notice were off if you can manage some animal proteins.


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I don't feel good about fish oil supplements, whole foods are there for a reason, and after trying to be vegetarian and vegan myself in the past, I don't think I would go back, as these diets high in carbs, ie grains, legumes, soy, fructose, caused many problems, and weakening of cells,organs and glands, possibly making me very close to being diabetic. Plus past unbalanced nutrition, contributed to mineral imbalances probably due to not getting the right type of protein and zinc in red meat. I would read more books, such as GAPS syndrome diet, and I heard of another which I've not read, 'The Vegetarian Myth'.
I do know some type O people who seem fine on a vegetarian and/or vegan diet, but it would be helpful to track them over a long period of time. It may be best to just see how YOU do and how you feel, if any changes happen with your own health, weight, sleeping patterns, hormone balance, blood sugar levels, skin/hair health, energy/vitality levels, muscle tone, changes in bowel habits, etc.
One must take care, because once the organs weaken, it then becomes hard to digest animal proteins, as the enzymes can go down due to lack of protein which some people can't absorb from plant foods.
I eat vegetables three times a day at present, as could not feel well starting day with grains or fruit, my glands weren't getting nutrients needed from mostly animal foods, including fats. I also can't eat oats or quinoa, as I don't think I absorb anything from these foods, they may have provided some fibre though.
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This is great information and opinions. I need to settle into this new start of SWAMI and figure things out. I know I'll have more questions and concerns.and will be utilizing the forums.
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It can be hard with so many different opinions/thoughts on nutrition, so one may need to just listen to their own body, if fish suits, then just stick with fish.  Some don't need fish at all, depends on what is going on inside, with the organs/glands and how one's body uses/absorbs nutrients from foods.
Sometimes it is due to the weakness in function of the pancreas (Battle Dwarf's comment above), and so trying to eat meat may just stress out this organ more.... there is already a lot of pancreatic cancer in the world. Plus there is the fat in meat, and extra oils/fats used to cook the meat in (as I tried yesterday).
I also read about mercury used in grain production, so it is not just tuna one needs to think of with mercury.  And I already know my cells have too much mercury (from hair analysis sample done May of 2013). I wish I had taken out all grains many years ago.
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sassrm, I was an O vegetarian for many years…(a lot f us were) and the single best thing I ever did (finally, with the BTD) was quit wheat. So please do that for yourself! My years of asthma disappeared. I believe u could be healthy as a pescatarian.
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I understand your concerns. I am a warrior and the only diamond meat I have is fish. I don't feel comfortable eating fishing because of a variety of different contaminates - nuclear, mercury etc.  so the vegan diet worked for me. I also had diabetes that went away by eating vegan. I had high triglycerides which have come down a great deal since being vegan.  My health has really improved since going vegan. I know everyone is different, but it worked for me. I use flax seed oil - which is a diamond for me instead of fish oil to bring my triglycerides down. Wheat and corn have been the hardest to completely eliminate from my diet - just because it is in just about everything, but other than that I am pretty compliant to the warrior diet. I do cheat occasionally by having chile peppers - I just can't stop eating them - I love spicy food I think the best advise is to listen to your body - add things in or take things out and see how your body reacts - I have adjusted and re-adjusted my diet several times over the years. No one is perfect - it is more about the journey than the end point. Stress affects how well I eat - more stress, more junk that I eat - I had to learn and re-learn not to eat junk when I am stressed. I don't know if any of this helps - I wish you all the best in whatever you decide is best for you.


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Hi there, I'm new to SWAMI as of a week. I am a vegan who began the BTD on Oct.13, then began the GTD on Nov.13.


This has been pretty well covered by others. Just one reminder, SWAMI does not have a vegan option for type O individuals.

In the GTD book, red meat is described as essential for the Hunter and Gather types, and to a lesser degree the Explorer as well. That covers all the type O possibilities.

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But Proud, you're a bloodtype A, so it is natural that you could be a healthy Vegan.  You are allowed soy and corn, right? Tempeh? Most beans?  Corn and soy are avoids for Type O. A good portion of the legumes are also avoids.  Protein becomes the big issue.

I'm glad that you can be Vegan.  I would if I could, but I was so unhealthy as a Vegan that the next stop for me was the hospital.  It really messed me up.

As a Gatherer O, my very best way to eat is to eliminate all grains, and limiting legumes to an occasional side.  Animal protein is a must for me to be healthy.


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It's certainly possible to design a vegan diet that's free of all type O avoids. I could prepare a single vegan MEAL to share with vegan friends and we could all eat the same thing- I'd base the meal on black beans, quinoa, nuts, and lots of veggies. Or I could make black bean burgers with flax as a binder, or chili with great northern beans, and I could even round things out with avocado, coconut oil, and lentils if there weren't any O secretors on BTD joining the meal.

But the problem is that such a diet wouldn't sustain me. I wouldn't have enough protein or all the micronutrients my body needs, in a form that's readily absorbable, without meat, fish, or eggs. I could manage a single meal, but then I'd probably eat more animal products than usual at my next meal. Without animal products, I wouldn't feel full or energized and it wouldn't keep my  blood sugar stable.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that I can't have soy, corn, wheat  gluten, or a wider variety of beans.

For somebody new to SWAMI, it's fine to make changes slowly. You don't HAVE TO start eating meat in the quantities suggested- and you probably would have trouble digesting that many at first anyway. If you're not mentally ready for eating meat, it's fine to start by selecting vegan foods from your SWAMI list, and then slowly add in other foods from there. Animal fats, such as ghee or fish oil, may be the best place to start.


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No corn, wheat or potatoes for A's. Soy is a beneficial but not a diamond. My warrior plan only has diamond fish in the meat dept.  I don't really have a lot of diamonds in the veggie protein dept. either. Luckily a lot a veggies not list under the protein title do have protein so I get plenty My point was more to listen to your body - what works best for you. I had a lot of health issues that went away when I did follow a vegan diet.  For me it works. I tried adding things back in - but my body didn't like it - so I took them back out. There are many threads of me trying to add fish back in and over time it didn't work.  I will admit over time  there are times when I am very compliant and other where I have let everything go and my health goes down and I refocus and get back on track and feel much better. Many times when people just see the word vegan they assume that I am a crazy person who thinks everyone should be vegan and I am a control freak about everything that I eat - I am so not that - if I was I would be much thinner and healthier - I am human and I slip up and cheat - some times more than others. When life gets busy and crazy I have eaten a cheese burger from a fast food place - all avoids just about - except the lettuce and tomato - I feel the health effects of it and get back on track. I am not perfect. I am a work in progress - some days more progress than others Most of the time I am very good at being compliant, but life happens. Just listen to your body - adding things in slowly to see how your body reacts. If your body likes it keep it - if not try something else. Just my 2 cents worth


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I think the problem is that the word "vegan" is loaded with meanings, most of which don't apply to you personally. Veganism, as a lifestyle, is so much more than "a diet without fish, dairy, eggs, or meat." It's a philosophy that it's morally wrong for humans to eat animals or to "use" them- no eggs or dairy, no wearing of leather shoes or buying leather-bound books, etc. Most vegans won't even use honey because "the bees make it for their own personal use and it's wrong of us to steal it from them."

By definition, this kind of vegan wants the whole world to be vegan because they see the consumption and use of animal products as being morally wrong.

ProudVEGANWarrior- if I recall correctly, you don't ingest animal products because that's the diet that's healthiest for you personally. Clearly, this isn't a moral decision for you because of all the effort you put into trying to make fish consumption work for you. You gladly feed animal products to friends and family members with different dietary needs. I also assume that you have no problem wearing leather.

I happen to think your user name is confusing. I know that you're a Warrior (according to GTD) and personally do best on a nearly vegan diet. But it sounds like you're a "vegan warrior"- as in, somebody who's ready to "fight for the Vegan cause" which is simply not the case.

Many people coming to BTD after previously being vegetarians or vegans have a hard time with the changes, particularly Os who tend to need the most meat, and are least likely to thrive on a meatless diet.


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I can see the confusion with the name - maybe I should think of a better one. I don't wear leather - but it is because I don't like the way it smells. After seeing a show about how it is tanned - it really grossed me out - not a pleasant process and all the chemical used - yuck.  Wool make me itch so I don't wear wool. I am not a vegan Nazi - there are many out there that are. I know I have to listen to my body, my body is happiest eating vegan, my husband and daughter choose to eat meat, that is okay. They do not follow any diet or lifestyle of eating. My daughter eats a wide variety of things and is very healthy. My husband eats what he likes and is not as healthy as he could be - but it is his choice to make. I have made great process in improving my health by eating vegan. I have only ever tried to convince one other person to go vegan, she really would have benefitted from it, but she chose not to, so I stopped. I respect others choices, but I also expect others to respect mine. I have been through a few different Types - from the book I thought I was a teacher, then when I first entered my swami info I was explorer - but the measurements were off and when I redid them I was warrior, then randomly I switched back to explorer and finally came back to warrior. I really feel warrior is the best match for me and eating vegan just tweaks the diet to fit me. I truly believe listening to your body is what matters most - as a teacher and explorer it didn't fit and I would start and stop following the diet. I found the right fit for me and it works.  


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Maybe change your name to ProudWarrior? You're proud to be a Warrior who'd figured out her ideal diet. If you happened to do best eating fish once a week, you wouldn't be any less proud, would you?


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Done I am just a ProudWarrior now - to eliminate any confusion


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I agree, good tip to listen to one's body, as our body and organs/glands can change over the years, some find lots of raw foods best, as cooking destroys enzymes, vitamins and the protein is denatured.  Have increased the fruits and am noticing benefits, probably from the vitamin C which we need through out day, and the protein in fruits is not denatured/destroyed.  Plus this takes the load off the liver/kidneys as there is no uric acid to burden the kidneys with.
The pain in my left hip disappeared, and so did the pain in right shoulder as I was still eating eggs, fish etc.
I also learnt about calories too, so know fruits contains the calories I need, more than vegetables, and the extra soluble fibre(fiber) from fruits is helping, plus the extra fluid in juicy fruits which my body is using, better than tap water/tea. Still have some green or herb tea if needed.
My hair/skin is looking better, and energy is better so I can exercise more, and also focus/concentration better, as my body is not working hard trying to break down acids from animal protein, the oils fats, and dealing with cooked vegetables/fibre.
I am enjoying the spinach/lettuce or other veggies at night with my dressing of cucumber/tomatoe or other vegetables, last night added fresh basil for flavour and extra nutrients. tonight will have asparagus.  Some grapefruit and strawberry juice to start maybe.
And also with raw eating, no salt is needed as so much flavour in raw plant foods, so this is helping, as salt can hold in toxins, am getting more minerals from the fruit which is easily assimilated.
Am in week four of no grains ie am now starch free, and so fruit is now being used better with no reactions to fructose. And I am keeping my obvious fats to about 10% with some whole fats in avocado or nuts in a dressing every 2 or 3 days. Much better than the 50 or 60% fat I did before by overeating nuts/seeds. Will still wait and see how things go for now.
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