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ProudWarrior
Wednesday, May 21, 2014, 3:28pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I understand your concerns. I am a warrior and the only diamond meat I have is fish. I don't feel comfortable eating fishing because of a variety of different contaminates - nuclear, mercury etc.  so the vegan diet worked for me. I also had diabetes that went away by eating vegan. I had high triglycerides which have come down a great deal since being vegan.  My health has really improved since going vegan. I know everyone is different, but it worked for me. I use flax seed oil - which is a diamond for me instead of fish oil to bring my triglycerides down. Wheat and corn have been the hardest to completely eliminate from my diet - just because it is in just about everything, but other than that I am pretty compliant to the warrior diet. I do cheat occasionally by having chile peppers - I just can't stop eating them - I love spicy food I think the best advise is to listen to your body - add things in or take things out and see how your body reacts - I have adjusted and re-adjusted my diet several times over the years. No one is perfect - it is more about the journey than the end point. Stress affects how well I eat - more stress, more junk that I eat - I had to learn and re-learn not to eat junk when I am stressed. I don't know if any of this helps - I wish you all the best in whatever you decide is best for you.


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Hi there, I'm new to SWAMI as of a week. I am a vegan who began the BTD on Oct.13, then began the GTD on Nov.13.


This has been pretty well covered by others. Just one reminder, SWAMI does not have a vegan option for type O individuals.

In the GTD book, red meat is described as essential for the Hunter and Gather types, and to a lesser degree the Explorer as well. That covers all the type O possibilities.

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But Proud, you're a bloodtype A, so it is natural that you could be a healthy Vegan.  You are allowed soy and corn, right? Tempeh? Most beans?  Corn and soy are avoids for Type O. A good portion of the legumes are also avoids.  Protein becomes the big issue.

I'm glad that you can be Vegan.  I would if I could, but I was so unhealthy as a Vegan that the next stop for me was the hospital.  It really messed me up.

As a Gatherer O, my very best way to eat is to eliminate all grains, and limiting legumes to an occasional side.  Animal protein is a must for me to be healthy.


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It's certainly possible to design a vegan diet that's free of all type O avoids. I could prepare a single vegan MEAL to share with vegan friends and we could all eat the same thing- I'd base the meal on black beans, quinoa, nuts, and lots of veggies. Or I could make black bean burgers with flax as a binder, or chili with great northern beans, and I could even round things out with avocado, coconut oil, and lentils if there weren't any O secretors on BTD joining the meal.

But the problem is that such a diet wouldn't sustain me. I wouldn't have enough protein or all the micronutrients my body needs, in a form that's readily absorbable, without meat, fish, or eggs. I could manage a single meal, but then I'd probably eat more animal products than usual at my next meal. Without animal products, I wouldn't feel full or energized and it wouldn't keep my  blood sugar stable.

But that has nothing to do with the fact that I can't have soy, corn, wheat  gluten, or a wider variety of beans.

For somebody new to SWAMI, it's fine to make changes slowly. You don't HAVE TO start eating meat in the quantities suggested- and you probably would have trouble digesting that many at first anyway. If you're not mentally ready for eating meat, it's fine to start by selecting vegan foods from your SWAMI list, and then slowly add in other foods from there. Animal fats, such as ghee or fish oil, may be the best place to start.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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No corn, wheat or potatoes for A's. Soy is a beneficial but not a diamond. My warrior plan only has diamond fish in the meat dept.  I don't really have a lot of diamonds in the veggie protein dept. either. Luckily a lot a veggies not list under the protein title do have protein so I get plenty My point was more to listen to your body - what works best for you. I had a lot of health issues that went away when I did follow a vegan diet.  For me it works. I tried adding things back in - but my body didn't like it - so I took them back out. There are many threads of me trying to add fish back in and over time it didn't work.  I will admit over time  there are times when I am very compliant and other where I have let everything go and my health goes down and I refocus and get back on track and feel much better. Many times when people just see the word vegan they assume that I am a crazy person who thinks everyone should be vegan and I am a control freak about everything that I eat - I am so not that - if I was I would be much thinner and healthier - I am human and I slip up and cheat - some times more than others. When life gets busy and crazy I have eaten a cheese burger from a fast food place - all avoids just about - except the lettuce and tomato - I feel the health effects of it and get back on track. I am not perfect. I am a work in progress - some days more progress than others Most of the time I am very good at being compliant, but life happens. Just listen to your body - adding things in slowly to see how your body reacts. If your body likes it keep it - if not try something else. Just my 2 cents worth


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I think the problem is that the word "vegan" is loaded with meanings, most of which don't apply to you personally. Veganism, as a lifestyle, is so much more than "a diet without fish, dairy, eggs, or meat." It's a philosophy that it's morally wrong for humans to eat animals or to "use" them- no eggs or dairy, no wearing of leather shoes or buying leather-bound books, etc. Most vegans won't even use honey because "the bees make it for their own personal use and it's wrong of us to steal it from them."

By definition, this kind of vegan wants the whole world to be vegan because they see the consumption and use of animal products as being morally wrong.

ProudVEGANWarrior- if I recall correctly, you don't ingest animal products because that's the diet that's healthiest for you personally. Clearly, this isn't a moral decision for you because of all the effort you put into trying to make fish consumption work for you. You gladly feed animal products to friends and family members with different dietary needs. I also assume that you have no problem wearing leather.

I happen to think your user name is confusing. I know that you're a Warrior (according to GTD) and personally do best on a nearly vegan diet. But it sounds like you're a "vegan warrior"- as in, somebody who's ready to "fight for the Vegan cause" which is simply not the case.

Many people coming to BTD after previously being vegetarians or vegans have a hard time with the changes, particularly Os who tend to need the most meat, and are least likely to thrive on a meatless diet.


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I can see the confusion with the name - maybe I should think of a better one. I don't wear leather - but it is because I don't like the way it smells. After seeing a show about how it is tanned - it really grossed me out - not a pleasant process and all the chemical used - yuck.  Wool make me itch so I don't wear wool. I am not a vegan Nazi - there are many out there that are. I know I have to listen to my body, my body is happiest eating vegan, my husband and daughter choose to eat meat, that is okay. They do not follow any diet or lifestyle of eating. My daughter eats a wide variety of things and is very healthy. My husband eats what he likes and is not as healthy as he could be - but it is his choice to make. I have made great process in improving my health by eating vegan. I have only ever tried to convince one other person to go vegan, she really would have benefitted from it, but she chose not to, so I stopped. I respect others choices, but I also expect others to respect mine. I have been through a few different Types - from the book I thought I was a teacher, then when I first entered my swami info I was explorer - but the measurements were off and when I redid them I was warrior, then randomly I switched back to explorer and finally came back to warrior. I really feel warrior is the best match for me and eating vegan just tweaks the diet to fit me. I truly believe listening to your body is what matters most - as a teacher and explorer it didn't fit and I would start and stop following the diet. I found the right fit for me and it works.  


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Maybe change your name to ProudWarrior? You're proud to be a Warrior who'd figured out her ideal diet. If you happened to do best eating fish once a week, you wouldn't be any less proud, would you?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Done I am just a ProudWarrior now - to eliminate any confusion


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I agree, good tip to listen to one's body, as our body and organs/glands can change over the years, some find lots of raw foods best, as cooking destroys enzymes, vitamins and the protein is denatured.  Have increased the fruits and am noticing benefits, probably from the vitamin C which we need through out day, and the protein in fruits is not denatured/destroyed.  Plus this takes the load off the liver/kidneys as there is no uric acid to burden the kidneys with.
The pain in my left hip disappeared, and so did the pain in right shoulder as I was still eating eggs, fish etc.
I also learnt about calories too, so know fruits contains the calories I need, more than vegetables, and the extra soluble fibre(fiber) from fruits is helping, plus the extra fluid in juicy fruits which my body is using, better than tap water/tea. Still have some green or herb tea if needed.
My hair/skin is looking better, and energy is better so I can exercise more, and also focus/concentration better, as my body is not working hard trying to break down acids from animal protein, the oils fats, and dealing with cooked vegetables/fibre.
I am enjoying the spinach/lettuce or other veggies at night with my dressing of cucumber/tomatoe or other vegetables, last night added fresh basil for flavour and extra nutrients. tonight will have asparagus.  Some grapefruit and strawberry juice to start maybe.
And also with raw eating, no salt is needed as so much flavour in raw plant foods, so this is helping, as salt can hold in toxins, am getting more minerals from the fruit which is easily assimilated.
Am in week four of no grains ie am now starch free, and so fruit is now being used better with no reactions to fructose. And I am keeping my obvious fats to about 10% with some whole fats in avocado or nuts in a dressing every 2 or 3 days. Much better than the 50 or 60% fat I did before by overeating nuts/seeds. Will still wait and see how things go for now.
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