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Spring
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Thanks for expounding on what I was "trying" to say, JJR.


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Hello Loops... how are you??, the cheap salt in dairy not so good, a good quality salt with balanced minerals is ok, ie sea salt, celtic salt, Himalayan Mountain salt,  or ayurvedic rock salt.  Wide variety of fresh veg would provide enough minerals, but many people don't eat enough or can't assimilate the nutrients well, so yes, a good salt would help, just a small amount is required each day.
The Nutri Bullet extracting machine would be available on-line from USA, it sells in many countries and would allow you to eat raw vegetables, not just cooked vegetables..  many people do 50% spinach or other green leafy, fruit, and then add some nuts/seeds.
It's a shame about the nuts, but then, perhaps one day, you can source some seeds on-line maybe from USA, ie flax or hemp seeds, which are very nutrient rich, economical and don't need cooking like meat.
Many people add seeds to their Nutri blast (take a look on-line for info on Nutri Bullet), and most people feel the benefits fairly quickly, it then becomes a life-long practise, not just to address a problem or health issue.
I understand about the sit-ups, perhaps your local library has a yoga for pregnancy dvd available for loan, but it's up to you, perhaps you are fit enough, we wish you the best with your pregnancy.
Re dairy and cheese, sometimes it may be the lactose, it also may be the dairy protein ie casein, or even the saturated fat which causes problems, some people just don't eat it, and they discover it is very easy to get good nutrition from other non-dairy sources, often benefiting thieir skin, hair, nails as the liver works better and more effeciently, without the dairy that slows it down and causes congestion.  Also, one can eaily make a non-dairy plant-based 'cheese' from nuts, many raw foodists or vegans do this easily, say from macadamia or cashew nuts, tastes pretty good, like cheese, and has the added benefits of nuts ie fibre, minerals, good fats.  When I did a deep colon cleanse at home which entailed no solid food for 5 days, in 2011 and again in 2012, their manual mentions about salt and how it holds in toxins in the large intestine and maybe other parts of the body, I assumed they meant the common salt in processed foods, junk foods, etc and the common salt in some dairy foods and baked products.  My acne was also very bad on my neck when I was younger, and my terrible nutrition also led to terrible menstrual cramps, pms, and ultimately infertility issues.  Keep us informed, best regards.
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I will say this.  I miss cheese horribly.  hehehehehe  But oh well.  I do have to try it again sometime here.  

The other strange thing I notice is that I can have things with milk in it, but not have a problem with it.  Although I haven't had LOTS of it.  But I get scrambled eggs from restaurants and omollettes. And also I've eaten chocolate pudding that has milk in it and I have no problems.  

But then whenever I've tried Goat's milk, UGH, it makes me feel yucky and just feels all wrong.  Yet for my son changing from cow's milk to goat's milk was a lifesaver.  My wife too!  So.....  

It's all just weird and sometimes annoying that our bodies react the way they do.  But that's life I guess.  And we all have things to figure out.  Some more than others.  I've sure had my fair share.  

And spring, I think you said everything just fine!!!  But I'm glad we are relating to each other.  


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And spring, I think you said everything just fine!!!  But I'm glad we are relating to each other.  

You are so eloquent in your descriptions! You've certainly earned that eloquence, too, after all you've been through trying to make sense of things!



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I also have a problem with cheese.  Even the good kinds.  It makes me really stressed out & throws off my sleep.


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I will say this.  I miss cheese horribly.  hehehehehe  But oh well.  I do have to try it again sometime here.  

The other strange thing I notice is that I can have things with milk in it, but not have a problem with it.  Although I haven't had LOTS of it.  But I get scrambled eggs from restaurants and omollettes. And also I've eaten chocolate pudding that has milk in it and I have no problems.  

But then whenever I've tried Goat's milk, UGH, it makes me feel yucky and just feels all wrong.  Yet for my son changing from cow's milk to goat's milk was a lifesaver.  My wife too!  So.....  

It's all just weird and sometimes annoying that our bodies react the way they do.  But that's life I guess.  And we all have things to figure out.  Some more than others.  I've sure had my fair share.  

And spring, I think you said everything just fine!!!  But I'm glad we are relating to each other.  


There's something about  cooked or baked milk that's somehow different in the body than pasteurized (but not otherwise cooked) milk. I don't know much about it, but I know that a friend of mine has a son with multiple food allergies. For a while, he was part of a "dairy allergy trial" through a local hospital, where he was fed one bite of muffin (baked with dairy but without his other allergens) and if he reacted, they treated him then sent him home. One time he didnt' react, so they fed him the rest of the muffin, then he was able to eat all kinds of baked milk products for a while. He had his first slice of pizza at age 9. I bumped into my friend in the supermarket, and she was stocking up on powdered milk and mozzarella cheese.

After about a month, he stopped doing so well, so they stopped feeding him dairy, and to the best of my knowledge he's remaining dairy-free. They've since moved so he's no longer near the hospital that was doing this study.

During this whole "baked milk" trial, he wasn't fed any "plain" milk or unbaked cheese. I don't know exactly what the chemical difference is, but clearly there IS a difference between cooked and uncooked milk products in the body.

Scrambled eggs, omelettes, and pudding are all cooked. I don't know what kind of cheese you were trying or how exactly you were eating it.

IT's also quite possible to be allergic to goat's milk but do fine on cow's milk. It's probably less common than the inverse, but still possible.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Very interesting indeed, Ruthie.


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Good to know, Eric, that there is someone else who has probs with cheese.  Tried a bit of parmeson over the weekend, enjoyed it, but again, my body/system doesn't.
I think if I visited a TCM herbalist, they would say my wood element is weak, hence probs also with chocolate bars, milk, egg yolk, most fats.  Olive oil helps.
Feel ok now because I made stir-fried veg for lunch, and some lemon, lime, grapefruit this am, which I feel helps liver function. also did an intensive workout this morning, so my metab'm was raised, which helps.
tonight will do cooked veg soup with herbs/spices, add a few lentils.
fish at night, even sardines not best for me anymore, never mind, will still have sardines some lunch times.
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That's some good input Ruthie.  I didn't think about it that way.  My wife has problems with yogurt, kefir, ice cream, cow's milk in hot chocolate.  But she'll eat pizza and be fine.  Might have something to do with that.  


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Or she might just do fine on mozzarella but not on whole milk, yogurt, or kefir. What's her blood type?


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some dairy facts....note that raw milk can be beneficial to those with Lyme disease as it kills pathogens.

http://www.westonaprice.org/faq/faq-dairy


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Sometimes Mr T wants milk heated up & then added to whatever it is he is wanting to eat.
I thought that pasteurizing the milk heated/altered it, but apparently it needs more heating/cooking to be OK for certain people.

This is interesting. Meanwhile, I'll still abstain, altho someday I may try to have a little mozzarella, but that's not a huge priority now!


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You are so eloquent in your descriptions! You've certainly earned that eloquence, too, after all you've been through trying to make sense of things!



You are very kind to me.  



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some dairy facts....note that raw milk can be beneficial to those with Lyme disease as it kills pathogens.

http://www.westonaprice.org/faq/faq-dairy


I've read Jordan Rubin's books and he attributes a key to his healing was raw milk.  They don't even really know what he had per se, but he sure had symptoms that could've been lyme.  


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ok so I guess the case is closed for me regarding cheese now....
  
A couple of nights ago I went ahead and had 3 rice crackers with butter and parmesan cheese - very yummy.  An hour later I was hit by the worst migraine in the world.  Now I am pregnant so it may have been coincidence but I swear the cheese had something to do with it.  When I do get migraines they are of the type where I lose sensation down my left side, go completely blind and can't talk or make sense of words - plus the usual patterning, vomiting and major headache that lasts for several days afterwards.

So of course I do not want a repeat of that - I usually get one big one a year triggered by either food intolerances or stress.  When I am completely compliant with other foods I don't get them - of course with parmesan being not only compliant but diamond I was tempted to try but meh....it is time to accept this is just one thing I will have to see as Swami being wrong with for me - I am officially casein intolerant.


Interestingly I cope very well with butter which is a black dot, and cream I am fine with in moderate quantities which I can only assume is an avoid although it is not listed.

Thanks for listening!
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SWAMI is a very complex computer program, but it's nowhere nearly as complex as the human body itself. SWAMI can be wrong. I've heard about people seeing Dr D or one of his colleagues, and the doctor looking at the SWAMI report and making a few changes based on intuition. Since you can't get to one of those doctors, you'll have to do the tweaking yourself.


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I eat butter too with no problems.  It just isn't the same as cheese.  It could be the cultures in the cheeses that are bothering you too.  Hence why cream might not be a problem.  I personally think that's part of my problem with them.  


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Manchego I tolerate really well...still only eat it about once a week. If I eat it more often, I find it's addictive and I want to eat way more portions than I should.....


That is so funny.  I have Manchego as a neutral and I hadn't had it in months.  So I bought some and was treating myself to it every day until I noticed I was being a pig about it.  That stuff is very addictive.  That's going back on the "do-not-buy-even-though-SWAMI-says-it's-ok list".

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That is so funny.  I have Manchego as a neutral and I hadn't had it in months.  So I bought some and was treating myself to it every day until I noticed I was being a pig about it.  That stuff is very addictive.  That's going back on the "do-not-buy-even-though-SWAMI-says-it's-ok list".



I don't even want to tell you how delicious manchego tastes melted on top of  a toasted rice cake.
Please forget I ever shared this secret!  And if you're able to eat tomato sauce....oregano....pizza!  

Accept my apology for describing this!  It's lethal, although I don't do tomatoes.  Fake white pizza is still awesome!

Again, sorry!  (I have made myself salivate just thinking about this)

I should delete this for both of our benefits  

First, read this
http://themanchegocheese.com/2013/10/29/cheese-addiction/


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Interesting.  I've never had manchego before.  Hmmmm...

I remember a long time ago slicing up tomatoes and putting some real parmesan on top and then baking.   So good.   This was on BTD.  Tomatoes are OK for AB's.  Actually they're neutrals on my swami but they seem to trigger my heart arrhythmia for some reason.  Which stinks because I like them.  


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It took me almost 8 years of BTD/GTD/SWAMI to realize that I am apparently casein sensitive, and that as long as I eat cheese from time to time, I mean diamond cheeses, goat cottage and sheep pecorino, my gut is not going to heal. 8 years of hoping, wondering, trying, struggling. It's not working. I accept that for me cheese is an avoid. After 2 weeks of no cheese at all, in addition to continuing regularly my Trehalose Complex, Polyflora, Deflect, Glicoscia, and being supported by Fucus Plus, my GI tract works and feels like completely normal and healthy.   

For fair disclosure, I've recently found a lovely serious lady therapist who specializes in healing traumas, and begun a therapy course, which in the meantime proves immensely empowering.


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Well, maybe I'm an oddity!  

I'm a blood type and genotype that should be able to easily eat a variety of dairy.  But several months ago, I came to the difficult conclusion that dairy in all forms is not good for me at this time.  Yes, even my beloved homemade goat yogurt.  Even my adored Manchego cheese.  And even the crown jewel of dairy . . ghee!  

I have struggled with chronic sinus trouble and irritable bowel all my life.  The BTD and GTD greatly alleviated both those conditions but they have remained my weak links.  It was very difficult for me to take that step, but I'm willing to give it up, for now.  It has made a difference in the amount of mucous in my sinus and inflammation in my digestive tract.



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hmmm.  Well is there ANYBODY who gets on well with their diamond cheeses?
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Victoria,
I had the same results as you in that I had awful mucus before I got off dairy/gluten.
Huge relief for me as it had been getting worse as I got older.
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Yaeli,
I would guess that  healing trauma will further improve your health.
That's a great step to take.
Lin


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