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so I have parmesan as a diamond - and generally I don't tolerate cheese very well.  Which is odd, as I USED to be able to eat it.  Then after eating a lot of dairy for years on a low carb diet I slowly became intolerant.  I noticed that in the mornings I was getting panic attacks and feeling very on edge - also I had tremors the whole time and couldn't concentrate.

After a HORRIBLE withdrawal period (was still doing low carb at this time) I did feel better although found it hard to maintain low carb high fat without dairy and ended up eating too many nuts etc.  That eventually led me here - and I did have some success on the BTD although was missing saturated fat as was concentrating on beneficials and butter and ghee are only neutral - so everything was cooked in olive oil.  

Anyway that is all by-the-by.  When I got the Swami I was shocked that a cheese was a diamond for me.  But I tested it anyway.  I didn't get the immediate bloat I get with other cheeses, but I did get the emotional fall-out over the next few days and also fatigue and acne on my chin.  Since then my life has seemed to be a struggle between not eating the cheese and then eating the cheese and regretting it.  I suppose I am allergic-addicted and use the Swami as an excuse to start eating it again.  

It is more complicated that I am pregnant.  I also have polycystic ovaries and am wondering if I should just cut back on carbs all together - I get rice and everything rice as a superfood but to be honest I just get bloated and slow after this.  Now I know most people disagree with a low carb diet during pregnancy but I am going with my intuition on this one.  I ate a lot of carbs with my first child and he is very difficult although he is very beautiful!  I find that if I eat rice etc I am craving fat but chocolate mostly.

Oh dear I am in a bit of a mess - it seems I have 2 issues going on here.  Right now I have a beautiful huge cyst on my chin that looks like a volcano after eating the cheese a couple of days ago.

I guess my point is - does anybody else here have issues with the recommended cheeses for them?  Am I the only one?  Why would I have a problem with something that is supposed to be a diamond food for me???  

Thanks!!!  Just in need of some support

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I have found that if I take BT specific probiotics that I can eat my allowed cheeses without major problems.


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I've just started the O probiotics, so can't say if they would help with the cheese. I've found I just don't do cheese well. Mozzarella or farmer is about all I use mostly the mozzarella as a garnish. Rice is my carb by swami as well, The rest I'm just not inclined to cook. I need to change that as I feel great on Ouinoa (the only carb I can say that about) and oats (meal, flour, etc) but it don't hold me as well.

So..... I only use cheese as a garnish, not as a replacement for protein, and my carbs are limited. Have you looked at your portion size for each. For me that is about right for the amounts I get.


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By the way BD is also pregnant, congratulations.


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I can't say I completely tolerate cheese...As a Teacher, I should find it easier than Warriors
or Explorers, but I don't....

I originally had a long beneficial dairy list on my SWAMIx that I had to stop due to terrible congestion and headaches from just about all I tried......but when my professional SWAMI changed many of my food values and gave me a very short list of beneficial
dairy....ghee, yogurt and manchego, I find I tolerate all three in small quantities, eaten sporadically.

Last night I had freshly grated parmesan (*a neutral) on a salad.  I'm fine today.  Yogurt seems to be the dairy I tolerate least.... it's cow's milk. I found a grass fed cow's milk yogurt that seems to be better than non pasture fed yogurt...And I find sheep's milk dairy to be far more digestible in general....so romano, parmesan in small amounts is pretty tolerable.

Manchego I tolerate really well...still only eat it about once a week. If I eat it more often, I find it's addictive and I want to eat way more portions than I should..... So, my original congestion from all dairy is no longer my issue... I'm only eating a small variety of dairy..

I suggest you try and find grass fed sources and see if maybe sheep's milk or goat's milk dairy
is better for you than dairy coming from cows that weren't pasture fed.

I take the type A probiotics for many years, but don't feel that was my missing link.  I think I just had to figure out what types of cheeses worked for me.


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I have several neutral cheeses, plus quark as beneficial. Portion sizes are limited to "1-3 ounces, 3 times a week" (or 1/2 tsp of ghee, 3 times a week.)

I simply don't do well on cheese. I have yet to be able to limit myself to 1 ounce of cheese in a day without craving more, and then wanting to continue eating cheese the next several days. Perhaps I'd do OK on it if I was actually able to keep the portions down, but that's a whole lot harder for me than omitting it from my diet altogether.

It also felt intuitively wrong to re-introduce dairy when I got SWAMI, considering that my intolerance to dairy was the very first thing I discovered about healthy eating, back in 1992 or so when I was vegan for a few months. I KNOW I'm healthier without dairy products, although I haven't always been careful about it.

This is where I think SWAMI is wrong. I'm fine on butter and ghee, but I simply do NOT tolerate any cow's milk cheeses. So I don't eat them.


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I could be wrong but lactose intolerance is what is wrong with a lot of people instead of SWAMI. (Maybe SWAMI simply needs to have choices about HOW intolerant!) But, even considering the fact that I have a strong, inherited lactose intolerance, I can eat limited cheese now as long as I take four probiotics per day. Occasionally, I will take NOW lactase when I eat it.


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I have no problem with lactose. I don't get any GI problems if I drink goat milk, or even from cow's milk, although the cow's milk will set off a host of other health problems.

There's something about the cow's milk protein that I simply don't tolerate. Maybe some day I'll make quark (beneficial cheese) with goat's milk (I learned from trial and error, pre-BTD, that I'm fine with goat milk stuff) but now isn't the time. I'm not sure where to get a "starter" for the quark that isn't cow's milk based, and I don't know if small amounts of cow milk proteins in the mix would cause me troubles for a while. I also can't really afford the "good quality" goat milk on a regular basis; its too much money for something with too little food value.


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Weird, maybe, but cow's milk doesn't bother me as much as black dot cheese. Not nearly as much. Of course, I don't go around consuming either one on anywhere near a daily basis, but if I want to have a small scoop of ice cream once in a blue moon, it doesn't bother me at all. On the other hand, hard cheese would stay in my stomach and rot for three solid days. No one needs that! It is awful!


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http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?495

There is a difference between the two milk. (goat and cow)  I just read more on this topic, but the data base agrees with other article.

http://www.livingwithout.com/issues/4_23/Types-of-Casein-3143-1.html

found this article on the casein of different cows,  French and American in this case. Might be of interest in way some cheeses work for us and some don't.  Seems different cows have different casein theirs being closer to goat.


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I developed an allergy to cow's milk dairy as an adult....after I had two children....probably I was in
my early 30s. I truly believe it was the cow's feed that impacts the final cheese products that
bothered me.  Early on, although manufacturers were putting garbage into our cheese supply,
the public wasn't very aware and packages weren't labeled properly.....  As a child I
had no food allergies at all, grew up drinking milk from a local dairy that delivered milk to our home.
Cows were pasture fed...and I had no problems. I think once the bovine growth hormones, antibiotics and chemical laden feed got into my body from eating the cheese from tainted cows, my dairy allergies began.  For a Teacher, the dairy should positively impact gut flora and help deal with bacterial overgrowth......It's taken me probably 4 years to be able to eat manchego cheese without having major stuffy nose problems...so I'm thinking with a compromised gut, you must first heal before you tolerate once known allergens. In An allergy is the body's immune system overreacting to something it perceives as toxic....

I feel as my immune system keeps improving on the Membrosia complex...clearing out old lectin damage, toxicity and all the garbage my body has collected for decades I am less likely
to overreact to any food SWAMI believes I should tolerate.

Some SWAMI foods could be wrong for the moment....but in my experience with enough time and
patience, I am more tolerant of the few dairy foods I at first didn't tolerate at all.  Also know that
for 30 years, I ate no dairy at all...Only when SWAMIx listed many beneficial cheeses did I attempt
to eat dairy again.  Took me quite awhile before my body adjusted.  Not perfect, but pretty acceptable. And I never ever go beyond "neutral"...I just don't try eating black dots or cheese from
my toxin list. I'm quite sure I would not tolerate any of them.


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I don't have any problem with yogurt once a week. Cheese doesn't do a darn bit of good for me even if it's a diamond now. Sounds like its a probiotic thing but I don't know - with all the expense of cheese these days, I think I'll stick to the yogurt if cheese can only be used as a "garnish" for foods.


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hey -

so well all the cows here in Chile are grass fed so hence all the dairy comes from them so that is not an issue.  Like Ruthie I am intolerant to casein - the protein portion of the dairy not the lactose.  Both cow and goat unfortunately although goat doesn't give me tremors the next day or make me mildly psychotic afterwards - just bloated and unable to sleep.

I have this HUGE volcano on my chin right now from eating the cheese just in time for NYE photos - great.  How on earth could this stuff ever be a diamond is beyond me.  I think I just need to pretend it is not on the list.  Ironically I seem to be fine with just butter which is a black dot.  Some days I wonder if I should just call it a day with Swami and go back to basic BTD but I paid money for it and can't help but feel it should be better for me overall right??
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Eat pumpkin seeds. Magnesium is going to be your best friend come labor. You need it for dealing with calcium too.

If you're eating some insulin enhancing cheeses the results may be unpleasant, but good for you (even a zit).
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There are other things on my SWAMI that I have to be careful about besides my Superfood cheeses. Grapefruit, lemons (diamonds) and limes are horrific for me. Right now, onions are off and on. Haven't figured that one out! Anyway, I would never go back to any other of Dr. D.'s diets because I know that SWAMI is working better for me than all the rest put together - even though I was very pleased with all of them as far as they were able to go. All I have to do is use a little common sense and patience!  


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thanks  I do however take magnesium already.  Today is the start of another dairy free NY resolution - with the exception of ghee.  My only other no-no is chocolate although i do pick the very low sugar stuff - but any sugar Thanks!
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I absolutely loved dairy products, cheese, yogurt etc., until I was in my late 40's and had broad based antibiotics that meseed me up and after much testing discovered I was reacting to many things including gluten, dairy, casein the protein in dairy.  
I have tried to reintroduce cheese periodically but it hasn't worked as I still need to improve my gut health. The only thing I have these days is a little ghee.
I use almond milk and yogurt and quite content with that.
Lin


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Quoted from Loops
thanks  I do however take magnesium already.  Today is the start of another dairy free NY resolution - with the exception of ghee.  My only other no-no is chocolate although i do pick the very low sugar stuff - but any sugar Thanks!


Can you get unsweetened cocoa powder where you live? Or unsweetened baking chocolate?

The cocoa powder can be added to hot water with molasses (or any other compliant sweetener or drunk unsweetened for a bitter drink). I like to add it to yerba mate with blackstrap molasses, and then stir in a little  ghee in lieu of "creamer."

The baking chocolate can be eaten plain (which is DEFINITELY an acquired taste) or melted, stir in a compliant sweetener, then let cool.

I have chocolate regularly but I don't usually have "sugar." (Last night being a notable exception.)


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I think there are a couple of cheeses on my SWAMI, but I haven't eaten them yet.  I know how bad dairy is for me.  It is better not to even start for some of us.  
BTW, my former dentists said that greens, etc. were a good source of calcium, altho I seem to need supplements anyway.


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hmm well I did try the unsweetened cocoa powder with agave in a drink and it was HORRIBLE.  I don't mind agave in green tea.  I can't get molasses here - well even the agave I had to have shipped from overseas.  Of course there is honey galore here and that is an avoid for me!  And there is loads of stevia too and that is also an avoid!  I tell you living in Chile is really not the place to be if you are trying to follow Swami.  EVERYTHING is sweetened with sugar.
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Quoted from deblynn3
http://www.livingwithout.com/issues/4_23/Types-of-Casein-3143-1.html

found this article on the casein of different cows,  French and American in this case. Might be of interest in way some cheeses work for us and some don't.  Seems different cows have different casein theirs being closer to goat.
Thank you for the link! The article is an eye opener for me, interesting and supportive.



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I relate to your comments on cheese, I think our cellular metabolism can slow down as we age, and due to different factors, if your metabolism is slow in your middle organs such as your liver, gall blader, pancreas - then cheese and other dairy could cause problems.  Most cheese also has salt and this slows down cleansing in the intestines as the liver and bowel are somewhat related. And if your elimination slows down, this can back up to the liver.
I would suggest some exercises to strengthen your core section, such as yoga asanas or others like sit-ups, crunches, yoga mudra exercises...etc;  and some green smoothies/extracted snacks/meals using the 'Nutri Bullet' machine, as the greens help the liver;  in time your system should strengthen, metabolism increase and a little cheese may be okay esp if your eat it with some green herb or fresh veggies. I eat lightly after 1pm as my metabolism is still quite slow after 1pm.
I had acne on my chin too esp when I was a teen, as my diet was mostly wheat based (baked being worse due to gluten), dairy and sugars/sweets.  Without the balance of veggies, green leafy, the middle organs can weaken, toxicity can build up slowly over many years. Bad posture and emotional stress can play a part too.
So take care of your liver, eat mostly whole fresh foods, exercise and all should improve.
Remember, the protein and calcium that many people eat dairy for, can be gained from other foods, ie tahini, hummus, green leafy, nuts/seeds, some fruits.  You can put some nuts / seeds in your extracted drink/meal, so that your system assimilates the nutrients really well.
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thanks -

however I am pregnant so no situps for me.  I can also not buy a Nutri bullet thing here in Chile.  Why is salt so bad?  Sounds suspicious - sorry but it does.  In all my experience I feel better when I have salt with food.  To taste of course.  I do try to eat greens but don't like them much I have to be honest - I do eat them though.  Chard mostly.  Spinach is neutral for me.  All nuts are now avoids on my swami, and pumpkin seeds are neutral which I can't get here anyway.  Most things I can't get here....I can get the basic meats and veg.

I have PCOS which is why I have acne  - never had it in my teens.  Was bulimic at university and then got PCOS - this is common apparently.  My acne clears completely if I avoid all dairy and gluten.

Thanks for the thoughtful suggestions though.
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I am a Nomad and cheese is supposed to be OK for me.  Even when I marked lactose intolerant on my swami, it gives me several cheeses to eat.  However, whenever I tried to eat them in the last couple of years, it stopped me up right quick.  And the soft cheeses give me terrible stomach aches.  Like cream cheese and sour cream.  So...

For me, it's a matter of dairy seems to be an issue with people with Lyme Disease.  SWAMI doesn't recognize this.  So...  there might be some things your body does or doesn't like, regardless of what the list says.  And I think it's wise to understand that.  You don't have to have a disease or problem for this to be true.  I wouldn't try to force food in my system that didn't seem to help me feel better, just because my SWAMI list says it's a diamond.  

It may be that some people will disagree with this but it is my opinion that it's just a computer program.  It's not going to be perfect.  It's not hooked up to our Central Nervous System getting real time messages of what we should eat.  Our bodies change, we might have issues the program doesn't recognize, and then there is the fact that filling out all the info 100% accurately is a process, not necessarily a reality at every step.  

However, after saying all that, it's probably the closest thing you'll get to a really good personalized diet.  In the end it's all just food.  If our bodies worked really really well, we could eat anything we want.  At least for a while.  I know I did.  But once we get older and start having issues, paying attention to how food affects us might be a good idea.  


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