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Bekki Shining Bearheart
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I have a dear friend who is blood type A and is doing the paleo diet. I am worried about her, since she is consuming a lot of meat protein-- some chicken, some lamb  but also beef and pork. She has her own chickens and eats eggs daily. She is grain and gluten free for the most part. She works very hard as a midwife in a hospital and is raising 3 teenage girls.

She says that since quitting grains, most beans and dairy and eating meat (she was vegetarian for a long time and consumed a lot of soy and grains) she feels much better and has lots more energy. I know she was constantly eating before, though she never had much of a weight problem, though in the last few years she was gaining a little around her middle.

Are there Explorer nonnie As that are allowed to eat red meat? what has been your experience? She is convinced this is very good for her. (I personally feel that she is not handling stress as well as she might, but then she has a very high stress life, with her work and her family. I'm wondering what I can do to help, in the way of suggestions.)
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I think lamb is ok... I'm not sure for veal nor beef but pork is def. a true no-go!!! ....and that she's grain and gluten free... no wonder of muchmore energies ....


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lamb and turkey are superfoods under GTD.  she probably needs that right now.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I assume that all the meat she eats, even the beef and pork, are sustainably sourced and all animals are fed their natural diets? Even for an A, such high quality meat is going to be less harmful than "supermarket meat."

I don't know if there's any way to convince her to stop the pork and beef and stick to poultry and lamb. If she's feeling good with her current diet, why would she want to make changes?

She may be more conducive to stress relief methods that don't involve cutting out meat. There are herbs that are good for helping As deal with stress, along with things like yoga and meditation. She may benefit from a good magnesium supplement- using it transdermally is usually better absorbed than any oral supplements.


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Thanks for the responses.

I haven't actually tried to get her to do the measurements-- she's really resistant to anything but paleo--- and feels that her life is too crazy to be able to keep track of specific foods. So she just refuses to do carbs, aside from a little rice flour and coconut products which she loves-- the oil the flour the milk. Does lots of fruits and veggies, and most all the stuff she eats is organic or free range or local farm produce without added pesticides. I just have assumed she is Explorer because she seems to do well on meat and no carbs which I think most other A genotypes don't. Correct me if I' wrong, I don't now that many As doing the Swami.
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Another thought- it is possible that she's not an A?


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If she is a teacher then getting off wheat and having her thyroid turn back on would increase energy extensively. But if that's true then her paleo diet is going to let her feel high energy from being strung out enough to not feel tired. Teachers are usually those that don't gain.

Which is she? I dunno. They are often not hard to tell apart from a photo/look.

Unfortunately Type A often feel good at first on paleo. But then bad health slowly sets in and is much harder to reverse. Lucky Type O's see the effects of good or bad quickly, Type A's take time.
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I have a dear friend who is blood type A and is doing the paleo diet. I am worried about her, since she is consuming a lot of meat protein-- some chicken, some lamb  but also beef and pork. She has her own chickens and eats eggs daily. She is grain and gluten free for the most part. She works very hard as a midwife in a hospital and is raising 3 teenage girls.

She says that since quitting grains, most beans and dairy and eating meat (she was vegetarian for a long time and consumed a lot of soy and grains) she feels much better and has lots more energy. I know she was constantly eating before, though she never had much of a weight problem, though in the last few years she was gaining a little around her middle.

Are there Explorer nonnie As that are allowed to eat red meat? what has been your experience? She is convinced this is very good for her. (I personally feel that she is not handling stress as well as she might, but then she has a very high stress life, with her work and her family. I'm wondering what I can do to help, in the way of suggestions.)


I do really well with lamb a diamond meat. Goat, mutton and rabbit are also on my diamond meat list. Venison and moose are on my neutral lists. Beef and buffalo are on my avoid list, but they are the least of my problems if I do eat them they are always grass-fed and I seem to not have any issues with them. Caribou is on my black dot list but I never get an opportunity to have that.


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I've had a SWAMI for a year and a half and it has worked well for me, more so after I got my secretor status tested about 1 year ago. Until the secretor test, I had myself listed as a non-secretor and I did have lamb listed as a superfood, but was only allowed a serving once or twice a week. All other meats are/were listed as avoids. Also, I was listed as a Warrior when I first ran my SWAMI because I didn't have my Meyers-Briggs info entered (which changed my genotype to Teacher), and they get less meat and poultry per week than Teachers do. I don't know about Explorers and meat allowances, though, but I don't imagine they get too much animal protein.

Your friends weight gain around the middle sounds typical of a Warrior, but many people are a fairly even mixture of genotypes, including myself. If she's eating the right beans and dairy products, yes she would likely be feeling the benefits of the diet for that reason. I can also understand how not eating wheat would improve her digestion and energy level; my SWAMI lists wheat as an avoid for me even though some A's can eat it without too many problems. But I can't relate to feeling better from eating a lot of animal protein. My stomach is always happier when I don't eat much meat, and believe me, I have much opportunity to eat meat in a household full of O's and B's. My regularity is always impacted when I have just a little too much meat or poultry.

You could recommend ashwagandha or gingko biloba to your friend to reduce stress levels as I feel they are both very effective for type A's.  


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My husband and I are both A nonnies.  We have not done the Swami - just the blood type diet.  We eat 5 or fewer servings of grains of any kind PER WEEK. Grains make both of us bloat up and gain weight.  

I have noticed, though, that he requires more meat than I do.  He does well with strenous exercise and more meat intake. We both eat organic soy regularly. I do well with more beans, less meat.  My body screams at me when I don't eat enough veggies.  

Perhaps if we did all the testing we would each have our own individual diet prescriptions and if so I think they would be quiet different.  But for now, I just try to see that he gets more meat and we both are doing fine.  


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I am a split mix of teacher and explorer and I need the balance of grains and poultry or fish. I feel my best and have the most energy when I include at least one serving of turkey, fish and sometimes chicken daily. I make sure to eat beans/rice/nuts on my meatless days.


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There are no splits. You are or are not.
What do you mean DoS? I definitely feel like a mix of Explorer and Gatherer....
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What do you mean DoS? I definitely feel like a mix of Explorer and Gatherer....


In one sense you are since you have characteristics of both.

In another sense you are not because you are what SWAMI says you are (unless you override it, another story entirely).

In the final sense, it is just a label. Nothing more. All it does is suggest some things that are generically more correct for a group of people like you than for other groups of people.

Don't get hung up on the label.
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People share problems, but not the solutions, causes, etc.

I can have a-typical explorer like issues, say like being sensitive to some chemicals etc, but my body doesn't share the paradigm for an explorer.

The things we do share are just part of being human. The fixes for the issues are not often the same, and how we got them not often related.

A gatherer experiencing explorer like issues could be experiencing them related to poor metabolism. The explorer could have superb metabolism and still experience them. The relief for an explorer might help a gatherer, but in this case it'd be a very temporary solution. It's because their bodies are very different, even if they have a common symptom.

The SWAMI percentages, in my opinion, shouldn't be given out because they encourage this confusion. The other remaining percentage isn't assigned to another GenoType it just isn't showing you.  
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I disagree entirely with the "you are or you are not."  In GTD, there only six types, but SWAMI works within a spectrum, and people most definitely are blends of genotypes.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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No. They are blends of hormonal differences in the womb, developmental differences growing up, and genetic inheritance. They are certainly very complicated but the complications are not composed from something as narrow as six types.

The patterns of what makes GenoType is very unique in that there are 6. It seems crazy, almost not possible, but I can't really argue with what I see in person. The people are all very different but they have presiding functions from one of the six GenoTypes.

I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes.

Relations between GenoTypes in symptoms and benefits don't have to be untrue in order for the concept of being a percentage of a GenoType mixture to be untrue. It might seem confusing when SWAMI can be a difference of a click between GenoTypes, as if the two GenoTypes would be similar because of that, but they are not. It'd be nice to get that to be not so easily switched, but it is software taking a guess.
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No. They are blends of hormonal differences in the womb, developmental differences growing up, and genetic inheritance. They are certainly very complicated but the complications are not composed from something as narrow as six types.

The patterns of what makes GenoType is very unique in that there are 6. It seems crazy, almost not possible, but I can't really argue with what I see in person. The people are all very different but they have presiding functions from one of the six GenoTypes.

I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes.

Relations between GenoTypes in symptoms and benefits don't have to be untrue in order for the concept of being a percentage of a GenoType mixture to be untrue. It might seem confusing when SWAMI can be a difference of a click between GenoTypes, as if the two GenoTypes would be similar because of that, but they are not. It'd be nice to get that to be not so easily switched, but it is software taking a guess.


You make a very intelligent and well thought-out argument DoS. Just like no two people in the world have the same fingerprints or DNA, we are all a unique blend of multiple characteristics.

Still, I like knowing my SWAMI percentage. If I wasn't rated a 39% Warrior before my secretor and MB status were updated and my genotype changed, I would have had a hard time wrapping my brain around the 42% Teacher rating. I was convinced I was a moderately strong Warrior before I got SWAMI and every time I look at myself I see Warrior because I have the "egghead" and I'm tall for a woman. The superfoods I used to eat that are now neutral or black dot do not give me noticeable problems, and that's good for me to know. I appreciate the knowledge that SWAMI has provided me in spite of the updates and changes. Just my 2 cents worth.


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I am an A Explorer Nonnie. I can eat meat. Not to the point of excluding starches every day, but now I can go a few days until I "need" starches, because of Genoharmonic meals I utilise. It's like waving a tuning fork or magic wand

I tried Atkins and Primal Blueprint. It let me lose some water weight but it didn't address genetic issues I had with health. Plus - the people on Primal Blueprint forums got so narrowminded and ugly sometimes, mostly reflected a Nike-style "Just Do It!" attitude as if that one lifestyle was the only "correct" one in the world. Yuk. Just goes to prove that you can eat like an O and even be an O but still be in foul health and a foul state of mind.


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Seraffa, probably all the nitrates in the bacon that they're always pushing?! lol
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I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes. - snip -
We're definitely misunderstanding each if you infer that I believe "that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes."  And then you who rail against my "limitation" state that each unique individual should be categorized into only one of six fundamental Genotypes, sans percentage!  So instead of considering myself 44% Explorer, I should just be Explorer.  That's even more limiting IMO.  These Genotypes are just labels, just as Red is a label for a certain range of colors in the light spectrum.  Except the light spectrum is a linear range, whereas GT is at least two-dimensional if not more.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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You are an explorer, whether you want to add "just" in front of it is your choice. Plus saying someone is just xgenotype doesn't mean that implies they don't have 10 billion other features that are unique to them since an explorer will have uniqueness inherently. It's like a myer-briggs test, you are just what you are but everything to do with paints a unique picture through that scope of your personality type.

The percent means that 44% of your information is typical of other explorers. But it appears to be in a weighted system, and one feature may conflict with another yet be weighted more so 100% may not be possible. As in say one fingerprint set is typical and worth 10% but another is typical yet only worth 8%. You can't have both, but they both give points toward explorer. I don't know for sure if that's how it works, but seems likely given that no one gets anywhere near 100% .
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DOS,
I said that I was a split because;

I can have my swami run with the ancestry box checked for Southern European and the result is Teacher 39%.
Without changing anything, except marking Western European, I can run it again and the result is Explorer 38%.
One percent difference.
I am both of these ancestries.

So, the strength passes for teacher include my very sinewed tendons and MyersBriggs, the explorer doesn't but lists my fingerprints / fingerprint asymmetry and ring to index finger ratio as hallmark explorer. Both say my blood type and somatype are typical of each.

The eating plans for each are very similar, sharing many superfoods and neutrals; so I could follow either plan. Yes, it is just a label, and no, I am not hung up on it. Ultimately, I know what works for me and what doesn't.  

But I am still a split.




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There are people who will re-run SWAMI multiple times, with slight changes in input data, and change genotype each time it's re-run. That's because their bodies are already showing traits from 2 or 3 different genotypes, and changing some data (such as weight, or updating their health history) will change the "genotype label" on their SWAMI, even though their actual food lists may not change very much.

Meanwhile there are some people (like me) who always come out the same. I've had SWAMI run 3 separate ways: first it was run with both secretor and non-secretor variants, then it was re-done a year later when I got my secretor status verified, and I was re-measured at the same time. All 3 versions pegged me as Gatherer, even though I relate to many Explorer tendencies as well. There were changes in the food list with each of the 3 variants, but the "gatherer" label remained.


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Great conversations here! glad I asked the question.

Saraffa, your post came the closest to makng sense of my friend-- dairy I knew was a given-- I think overall it doesn't work for As?--so I know that is helping. And she really doesn't seem to do well with most grains, though wheat is the worst offender and she will occasionally eat some corn and rice. Beans as a catagory, especially soy don't work for her, so she avoids them (except green beans). I have a powerful suspicion she is a nonnie. She says her irritability level has changed a lot and she's much happier in general (though getting rid of her deadbeat husband--and he truly was--probably has helped). He left shortly after she changed her way of eating. More patient (not a Moon in Ares strong suit in any case), tolerant and calm than previously, and she puts it down to handling stress better and feeling a lot better physically.
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It's useful to describe the type of reactions to foods.

Not all reactions are bad or good, the way we'd like to perceive them.
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Just want to clarify that when I ran my swami, the only data that I changed was my ancestry! Everything else, all personal and health information was exactly the same!
Results; If I am a teacher( southern European) it is by 39%. If I am an explorer
( western European) it is by 38%.
I just ordered a kit from "23 & Me" today so, hopefully, I will be able to give my swami more input and possibly sway more to one side.


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I also disagree with the premise that we aren't a blend.  I think us AB's are especially susceptible to being a "blend".  Due to the fact that our possibilities have one more added to them.  And DOS, your argument sounds like it's arguing with itself.  How can you say that we have all these genetics and characteristics, yet it only falls into one category?  Those differences that we all have may fall into a different genotype.  My swami tells me I'm a Nomad.  And I have it filled out as best I can.  Yet I know I have the detox system of an Explorer.  I could prove that with my genetic testing.  And then I also LOOK like a teacher.  Well, my physical characteristics fall into teacher territory.  When I do all my measurements like the books shows, I'm a teacher.  If I never went any further, that's how I would understand myself to be.  But my swami has had me as all 3 at one point or another.  And I think they all worked to a degree.  

I've read the book several times in the past and can identify issues, traits and characteristics of more than one genotype.  If we are a unique person, we're not just going to be under one umbrella of a genotype.  At least that's how I see it.  I could be wrong.  But this is how I've come to understand it.  You are entitled to your belief though.  I just don't agree.  

As far as helping the OP's friend, I have no clue.  It's hard to argue with feeling better.  I guess you can only hope that pork isn't the main meat she eats.  But if there is one issue that I've liked to sound off about, it's this premise that gets perpetuated that A's and AB's should NEVER eat red meat.  My swami tells me different.  


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If i run swami with a change (heritage or slight taster) i swap to all possible A genotypes.  I thought teacher suited my personality, sinewy tendons & i have never been overweight, i love moderate exercise, am strong for my size & am average height. I "need" fish in my diet weekly.
I have explorer traits too in the chemical & environmental sensitivities (half a dose of dental anaesthic lasts twice as long as most people) but am very symmetric.  
If i run as a non taster i am a warrior which I do prefer to be vegetatian most of the time, have the egg head but am average size, my biggest complaint is the visible veins in my legs which is a family curse (no heart disease thankfully, and diabetes type 2 runs in the family but only for teo who of those who overeat & don't exercise)

A question for DoS or anyone else who may have experienced the same, when I do the taster strips i can't taste either prop or ptc however half an hour later i get the worst taste in my mouth which lasts hours, i rinse, eat etc but it stays.  I have tried many times.  What do you make of this?  slight taster or non?
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That's weird how it is delayed.  Interesting.


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I suggest making a new thread with "help interpreting taster status" in the title. It's more likely to be found by somebody knowledgeable than when your question is hidden in a bigger thread. It will also make it easier for others with similar questions to find the information.


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Thanks for all the replies folks-- not on line very much these last few weeks... hoping more folks wll weigh in but ths has been very helpful...
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I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.
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I disagree entirely with the "you are or you are not."  In GTD, there only six types, but SWAMI works within a spectrum, and people most definitely are blends of genotypes.


Absolutely!!!

I just did my Swami and it shows I am 44% Explorer.  That is NOT "you are or you are not" by any stretch.  My food list specifies that it is a combination of Explorer GT plus BTD - and with few exceptions I really LIKE IT!

Yes, I have to make changes.  Yes, I have to be creative with replacing some things that I've been eating and finding new beneficials that taste/feel as good to me - but by and large I am quite happy with my COMBINATION SWAMI report.  



6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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Quoted from DoS
I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.


Well, you're probably right.  I will say this, when my swami went from explorer to Nomad, the changes in the list was not all that drastic.  A few foods here and there.  I bet it was less than a dozen total.  Don't completely remember.  And even at that, some might have went to superfood to neutral.  Not necessarily good to bad.

I'm not quite as sold on how "perfect" one list is over the other as you are.  It's still just a program.  It's not going to be perfect no matter how good you fill it out.  But as I said before, it's probably a whole lot better than any other diet out there.  


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JJR welcome back... and yep...as mentioned in lr4yt... we share some attitudes of A's and B's sides... not easy to detect when is appearing .......


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Unfortunately Type A often feel good at first on paleo. But then bad health slowly sets in and is much harder to reverse. Lucky Type O's see the effects of good or bad quickly, Type A's take time.

True, true true. (Explorer A here)



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Long term is where "onesizefitsall" programs fail. BTD and GTD/Swami tailors the food to the individual for much better results.

As for meat protein requirements, listen to your body and don't be surprised if signals change from time-to-time. We're always evolving.
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Explorers have food choices in pretty much every food group, so being on a paleo diet as an explorer is not necessary.  It may be beneficial for hunters and gatherers more so than an explorer, and this is for blood type O.  Explorer A's need some red meat to function their best.  But they have carbohydrate options too that are good.  

More carbohydrates is good if activity levels are high.  There are plenty of good carbohydrate options for explorers.  But the body uses fat for fuel in most cases of every day life.  Too many carbs can cause weight gain in my experience.  (They are probably the wrong kind of carbs

For me, because I drink a beer or two (sometimes 3 in the evenings usually, I take in too many carbs for my activity levels.  My job is sedentary and I have not exercised like I had been in the past months.  So I gained a few pounds.  My wife got a scale that measures stuff.  My muscle mass was 44.7 percent, body fat was almost 25 percent I think.  I'm about 5'11" and weight like 182 lbs!!  That's the heaviest I have been since early in college when I ate like 4000 calories a day plus beer, and very little exercise of an effective degree!!!  For reference, I weighed less than 160 6 years ago and probably drank more then, but I was always walking around or doing stuff.  My diet also contained plenty of rice and pizza esp, much more so than now.  I may post with all of the numbers it measures and get some opinions on it!
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I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.


Dr. D. did write in the GTD book that there are no combined types.  I tried to rationalize why its okay to drink beer every day, because it is neutral for A non secretors, and because my dad is a nomad (hey then it had to be excellent for me!).  But in terms of the gtd, beer is a toxin for explorers, and there is no way to deny it.  In fact, all alcohol is a toxin for explorers, where as for teachers wine is beneficial, and for warriors it is too.  I may fare better with wine as a nite cap than beer.  I think beer is not the best for my gut flora.  My belly is bloated most of the time and I gained a few pounds, and probably would have more energy and lost the few pounds of belly fat if I reserved alcohol for special occasions, like the weekend   
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Explorer A chiming in here (I'm new)

I am gluten free and can't tolerate beer, which I've known for a long time.

I am learning that the mold connection could be a huge piece in my adrenal issues that I have been missing for so long.  So, no blue cheese, no red wine, etc. and I will feel better....

I feel horrible on paleo.  If I do it for a month, it takes me two months to lose the weight I gained and get my energy back.  My last failed paleo experiment is what sent me here.

I hope I get my energy back faster by focusing on diamond foods and avoiding the avoids I used to regularly eat.


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I feel horrible on paleo.  If I do it for a month, it takes me two months to lose the weight I gained and get my energy back.  My last failed paleo experiment is what sent me here.

I hope I get my energy back faster by focusing on diamond foods and avoiding the avoids I used to regularly eat.


Paleo works for some people, like any diet (or any size 9 shoes, for that matter) naturally would. It just doesn't work for a lot of people for long. For the record, we hear the paleo woe here on a regular basis.   I think you'll be happier with the custom fit.

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I feel great on Paleo, though I am an O. I do Paleo with SWAMI foods. No grains, dairy, sugar or processed foods. Legumes are minimal and only my beneficial ones when I go there. I do low carb, moderate protein and healthy fats. The combo of Paleo/ BT work great for me.

I find the no grains, dairy, sugar and processed foods are the most important for me.

YQ, as an A I can see why you'd feel bad eating all that protein. Even as an O I have to keep my protein size down at each meal, like 3  oz at a time. I also require a lot of green veggies and healthy fat. I do great with mostly fish and red meat a few times a week. Poultry is in question.  


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Dr. D. did write in the GTD book that there are no combined types.  I tried to rationalize why its okay to drink beer every day, because it is neutral for A non secretors, and because my dad is a nomad (hey then it had to be excellent for me!).  But in terms of the gtd, beer is a toxin for explorers, and there is no way to deny it.  In fact, all alcohol is a toxin for explorers, where as for teachers wine is beneficial, and for warriors it is too.  I may fare better with wine as a nite cap than beer.  I think beer is not the best for my gut flora.  My belly is bloated most of the time and I gained a few pounds, and probably would have more energy and lost the few pounds of belly fat if I reserved alcohol for special occasions, like the weekend   


My son's SWAMI has red wine listed as a neutral. And he's bona fide explorer (well, at least so far, but he's got some seriously jacked up fingerprints and teeth).


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Also, paleo makes me feel like death. If I do beans and rice a couple of days a week, I'm good, but I have to make sure I eat plenty of greens to make up for the lack of folate and magnesium.


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Easy E.. ya know why alc. intake might be bad for us, not only physically but almost mentally...we're running on a very high level mentally and it forces up our nerve system until exhaustion I observed... therefor better not too much...  


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And it slows the liver down big time. But some of us have clotting tendencies that red wine helps... It's such a fine line, though.


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Easy E.. ya know why alc. intake might be bad for us, not only physically but almost mentally...we're running on a very high level mentally and it forces up our nerve system until exhaustion I observed... therefor better not too much...  


I had less this week.  Instead of beer I had lemon water or green tea.  I did have two beers and one eggnog with rum this week

I do think even a couple of beers a day caused bloating and was feeding bad microbes or yeast in my gut.  Makes the liver work harder too and slows fat burning.   I haven't had as much experience with red wine or white wine, I only drink it occasionally.  
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Meant to add I finally got SWAMI for myself. I also get Red wine as neutral.


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Easy E... better to go for wine.... makes less fat and has less toxic issues in... if organic ....


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Easy E... better to go for wine.... makes less fat and has less toxic issues in... if organic ....


Thats a good idea.  I drank beer rarely until the past few years.  I like drinking lemon water too, good for digestion, as a replacement for alcohol drinks in the evenings.
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Something else I noticed...my son gets 3 servings of red meat, 5 of poultry, and 5 of fish. I get the same except 2 of poultry! Never have been a huge fan of chicken. But what a difference.

If I add the 6 servings of eggs I get (my son gets 9), then five days of the week, I don't have a protein for breakfast (or lunch/dinner), unless I do beans (at which point it adds up to 21, which is 3 meals a day).

I guess I could do eggs for breakfast most days, meat or poultry at dinner, and do beans and rice for lunch. What a trip! Just doesn't seem filling enough without some cheese or avocado. Thankfully, avocado is a neutral.

I really need to get my secretor status, don't I? If I change to secretor on my SWAMI intake, it gives me a lot more variety for cheeses. That would make sense, since I naturally gravitate to mozzarella or feta over chicken, but not fish or red meat. I just don't know how beans would sustain me alone for a meal. I always get hungry if I can't have some extra (heavy) fat.

It's on my Christmas wish list!


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MissP...here's how I figured out how to make 6 eggs last 7 days.

I too get 6 eggs per week, but if I make flax bread using 5 eggs and I cut up the batch into 6 slices,
that lasts for 6 breakfasts, but I only used 5 eggs....  On the 7th day, I can eat an egg...which would
make it egg #6.

I'm using 2 cups of ground flax seeds divided into 6 portions...and with a big cup of green tea and some fruit, one slice of flax bread for breakfast and I'm super FULL!

If I didn't think this would be enough to fill me, I'd put almond butter on top....or ghee, or maybe have some
turkey bacon. But this is MORE than enough for me.


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What is your flax bread recipe? Flax is a neutral for me. Rice is a beneficial. If I do secretor, tapioca and some other GF grains are beneficials. But apparently, nuts and I aren't besties anymore, so I need something other than nut flours.

So weird, I really do wonder about the nuts. I don't get digestive upset from them.

Oh, and what do you put on the bread?! Just bread with ghee and fruit isn't terribly filling. Dang!

I do usually do a rice porridge with hit the spot. But I do more than 1/4 cup (usually 1/2 cup precooked...I could scale back to 1/4 but need something else with it).


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What is your flax bread recipe? Flax is a neutral for me. Rice is a beneficial. If I do secretor, tapioca and some other GF grains are beneficials. But apparently, nuts and I aren't besties anymore, so I need something other than nut flours.

So weird, I really do wonder about the nuts. I don't get digestive upset from them.

Oh, and what do you put on the bread?! Just bread with ghee and fruit isn't terribly filling. Dang!

I do usually do a rice porridge with hit the spot. But I do more than 1/4 cup (usually 1/2 cup precooked...I could scale back to 1/4 but need something else with it).


Flax bread comes from the recipe file but here's my version
Preheat oven to 350 and find a cookie sheet.  You're basically making a peasant style foccacia.
So it doesn't have to fill out the pan completely.

2 cups of ground flax
1 tsp baking powder
2 T of some kind of sweetener
1/2 tsp sea salt

And now, you decide if you want this sweet or savory.  If sweet, I use pumpkin pie spices and
reserve a little extra sweetener for the top along with more spices.

If savory, it could be garlic powder, or any Italian spices or your choice or what works for
your diet.

I generally make mine sweet.  And I use coconut sugar or powdered agave which I bought from
nuts.com

1/3 cup of olive oil
1/2 cup of water
5 eggs (I use large ones)

So put all your dry ingredients into a bowl.  Make sure your flax seeds are ground not whole.
To the flax, add salt, spices, and baking powder. sweetener and save a little for the top of
the bread.

I throw my wet ingredients into the blender or Vitamix for about 30 seconds.

I then add wet into dry, stirring quickly so all is very well combined and let batter sit for a minute or two.

Then just spread onto the cookie sheet. I use one that is silicone so it doesn't need oil, but
if it's not non stick, oil the pan.

Bake about 20-30 minutes, slice into 6 pieces and freeze in portions.

This looks like a flatbread...rustic.

Once you try one slice with all the fiber from the flax, you might feel differently about how
filling you think this is.









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Once you try one slice with all the fiber from the flax, you might feel differently about how
filling you think this is.



I'll take that into consideration! Thanks for the recipe.


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I'll take that into consideration! Thanks for the recipe.



You're welcome and I forgot to add when spreading onto cookie sheet, try to aim for a size
a little larger than a sheet of paper with the thickness about the same all over... I
just take a spatula and move the batter around so it It will bake more evenly but also your portion pieces will all be similar in size.



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Do you throw the extra portions in the freezer after you bake, or do they keep all week?


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I would suggest drinking plenty of fluid with the bread too! Flax requires it! It really does make a good, filling breakfast.


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I LOVE my fat but it really doesn't satisfy me for long, it actually makes me hungrier! So maybe try lower fat meals and see if they satisfy you for longer. I never thought it possible but it does. Nuts, LOVE them but make me hungry. Same with a big A%$ burger. Love it, but hungry in an hour. EVOO doesn't do this but nuts and saturated fats do.


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I do a roughly 25/25/50 breakdown of carbs/protein/fat. It feels right. So no clue on how a bunch of meatless meals are going to work out for this O! But hey, I'm an explorer. At least I get my rice
That feels right.


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I get 4 red,3 poultry and 6 fish at 4-6 oz. That also only gives me 13 meals w/protein. However if I  add the protein oz it gives me 52-78 oz a week. so if I divide that by 21 meals a week I get 2.5-3.7 oz per meal. It averages to 3.1 oz per meal. This does not include my 8 eggs. Ironically, I do great on 1 oz at BF and 3-4 oz for lunch and dinner. I'm right there. It's a guideline not an absolute. I need SOME animal protein at every meal, just not huge slabs. I eat about 1/2 pound a day. No meatless meals for me, just for snacks


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Good to know. I'll tinker with my numbers!


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Do you throw the extra portions in the freezer after you bake, or do they keep all week?


I wrap each slice individually in alum foil, freeze and then reheat straight out of freezer, still wrapped for about 15 minutes at 350.


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