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DoS
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It's useful to describe the type of reactions to foods.

Not all reactions are bad or good, the way we'd like to perceive them.
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Just want to clarify that when I ran my swami, the only data that I changed was my ancestry! Everything else, all personal and health information was exactly the same!
Results; If I am a teacher( southern European) it is by 39%. If I am an explorer
( western European) it is by 38%.
I just ordered a kit from "23 & Me" today so, hopefully, I will be able to give my swami more input and possibly sway more to one side.


 Ao  ISFJ   Taster   Rh+  

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33% Nomad, calories calories!!!!!!
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I also disagree with the premise that we aren't a blend.  I think us AB's are especially susceptible to being a "blend".  Due to the fact that our possibilities have one more added to them.  And DOS, your argument sounds like it's arguing with itself.  How can you say that we have all these genetics and characteristics, yet it only falls into one category?  Those differences that we all have may fall into a different genotype.  My swami tells me I'm a Nomad.  And I have it filled out as best I can.  Yet I know I have the detox system of an Explorer.  I could prove that with my genetic testing.  And then I also LOOK like a teacher.  Well, my physical characteristics fall into teacher territory.  When I do all my measurements like the books shows, I'm a teacher.  If I never went any further, that's how I would understand myself to be.  But my swami has had me as all 3 at one point or another.  And I think they all worked to a degree.  

I've read the book several times in the past and can identify issues, traits and characteristics of more than one genotype.  If we are a unique person, we're not just going to be under one umbrella of a genotype.  At least that's how I see it.  I could be wrong.  But this is how I've come to understand it.  You are entitled to your belief though.  I just don't agree.  

As far as helping the OP's friend, I have no clue.  It's hard to argue with feeling better.  I guess you can only hope that pork isn't the main meat she eats.  But if there is one issue that I've liked to sound off about, it's this premise that gets perpetuated that A's and AB's should NEVER eat red meat.  My swami tells me different.  


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If i run swami with a change (heritage or slight taster) i swap to all possible A genotypes.  I thought teacher suited my personality, sinewy tendons & i have never been overweight, i love moderate exercise, am strong for my size & am average height. I "need" fish in my diet weekly.
I have explorer traits too in the chemical & environmental sensitivities (half a dose of dental anaesthic lasts twice as long as most people) but am very symmetric.  
If i run as a non taster i am a warrior which I do prefer to be vegetatian most of the time, have the egg head but am average size, my biggest complaint is the visible veins in my legs which is a family curse (no heart disease thankfully, and diabetes type 2 runs in the family but only for teo who of those who overeat & don't exercise)

A question for DoS or anyone else who may have experienced the same, when I do the taster strips i can't taste either prop or ptc however half an hour later i get the worst taste in my mouth which lasts hours, i rinse, eat etc but it stays.  I have tried many times.  What do you make of this?  slight taster or non?
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33% Nomad, calories calories!!!!!!
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That's weird how it is delayed.  Interesting.


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"Finally brothers, whatever is true, whatever is honorable, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely, whatever is commendable, if there is any excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think about these things." - Phillipians 4:8
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I suggest making a new thread with "help interpreting taster status" in the title. It's more likely to be found by somebody knowledgeable than when your question is hidden in a bigger thread. It will also make it easier for others with similar questions to find the information.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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Thanks for all the replies folks-- not on line very much these last few weeks... hoping more folks wll weigh in but ths has been very helpful...
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I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.
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I disagree entirely with the "you are or you are not."  In GTD, there only six types, but SWAMI works within a spectrum, and people most definitely are blends of genotypes.


Absolutely!!!

I just did my Swami and it shows I am 44% Explorer.  That is NOT "you are or you are not" by any stretch.  My food list specifies that it is a combination of Explorer GT plus BTD - and with few exceptions I really LIKE IT!

Yes, I have to make changes.  Yes, I have to be creative with replacing some things that I've been eating and finding new beneficials that taste/feel as good to me - but by and large I am quite happy with my COMBINATION SWAMI report.  



6 years on ER BTD, went from sick and dying to healthier And 30 pounds slimmer.  

Dec 2013: Started Swami Xpress - I'm 48% Explorer with hybridized Explorer/BTD list. A new adventure for this old lady!  -- LOST 5 more pounds on SWAMI! 
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Quoted from DoS
I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.


Well, you're probably right.  I will say this, when my swami went from explorer to Nomad, the changes in the list was not all that drastic.  A few foods here and there.  I bet it was less than a dozen total.  Don't completely remember.  And even at that, some might have went to superfood to neutral.  Not necessarily good to bad.

I'm not quite as sold on how "perfect" one list is over the other as you are.  It's still just a program.  It's not going to be perfect no matter how good you fill it out.  But as I said before, it's probably a whole lot better than any other diet out there.  


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JJR welcome back... and yep...as mentioned in lr4yt... we share some attitudes of A's and B's sides... not easy to detect when is appearing .......


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Quoted from DoS

Unfortunately Type A often feel good at first on paleo. But then bad health slowly sets in and is much harder to reverse. Lucky Type O's see the effects of good or bad quickly, Type A's take time.

True, true true. (Explorer A here)



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Long term is where "onesizefitsall" programs fail. BTD and GTD/Swami tailors the food to the individual for much better results.

As for meat protein requirements, listen to your body and don't be surprised if signals change from time-to-time. We're always evolving.
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Explorers have food choices in pretty much every food group, so being on a paleo diet as an explorer is not necessary.  It may be beneficial for hunters and gatherers more so than an explorer, and this is for blood type O.  Explorer A's need some red meat to function their best.  But they have carbohydrate options too that are good.  

More carbohydrates is good if activity levels are high.  There are plenty of good carbohydrate options for explorers.  But the body uses fat for fuel in most cases of every day life.  Too many carbs can cause weight gain in my experience.  (They are probably the wrong kind of carbs

For me, because I drink a beer or two (sometimes 3 in the evenings usually, I take in too many carbs for my activity levels.  My job is sedentary and I have not exercised like I had been in the past months.  So I gained a few pounds.  My wife got a scale that measures stuff.  My muscle mass was 44.7 percent, body fat was almost 25 percent I think.  I'm about 5'11" and weight like 182 lbs!!  That's the heaviest I have been since early in college when I ate like 4000 calories a day plus beer, and very little exercise of an effective degree!!!  For reference, I weighed less than 160 6 years ago and probably drank more then, but I was always walking around or doing stuff.  My diet also contained plenty of rice and pizza esp, much more so than now.  I may post with all of the numbers it measures and get some opinions on it!
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Quoted from DoS
I'm. Not going to argue on "mixing" because I am siding with Dr D, you are or are not. Just because some super simple software appears finicky doesn't mean your genes are. This is like Meyer-Briggs. I may be INFJ but all the input information makes me a different INFJ that all other INFJ's. I'm not the same warrior as any other, I can be sensitive to enviroment  factors like an Explorer, but while an explorer and I could benefit from foods that help with it, for one of us it could be a fix and the other just some relief. In fact my sensitivities aren't remotely fixed by explorer things. I'm not part explorer, I just share some symptoms. That's the interesting thing, people share symptoms but not that much causation, and much much less solutions.

If the software didn't have percentages I doubt we'd be having this discussion. People would just be trying to get clarification.

I spent way too long bouncing on Genotypes because of "mixing qualities" and all that does is make you sicker. You got to stick with your Genotype, and work within it's principles because that'll heal. Everything else is very band-aid like.


Dr. D. did write in the GTD book that there are no combined types.  I tried to rationalize why its okay to drink beer every day, because it is neutral for A non secretors, and because my dad is a nomad (hey then it had to be excellent for me!).  But in terms of the gtd, beer is a toxin for explorers, and there is no way to deny it.  In fact, all alcohol is a toxin for explorers, where as for teachers wine is beneficial, and for warriors it is too.  I may fare better with wine as a nite cap than beer.  I think beer is not the best for my gut flora.  My belly is bloated most of the time and I gained a few pounds, and probably would have more energy and lost the few pounds of belly fat if I reserved alcohol for special occasions, like the weekend   
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Explorer A chiming in here (I'm new)

I am gluten free and can't tolerate beer, which I've known for a long time.

I am learning that the mold connection could be a huge piece in my adrenal issues that I have been missing for so long.  So, no blue cheese, no red wine, etc. and I will feel better....

I feel horrible on paleo.  If I do it for a month, it takes me two months to lose the weight I gained and get my energy back.  My last failed paleo experiment is what sent me here.

I hope I get my energy back faster by focusing on diamond foods and avoiding the avoids I used to regularly eat.


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I feel horrible on paleo.  If I do it for a month, it takes me two months to lose the weight I gained and get my energy back.  My last failed paleo experiment is what sent me here.

I hope I get my energy back faster by focusing on diamond foods and avoiding the avoids I used to regularly eat.


Paleo works for some people, like any diet (or any size 9 shoes, for that matter) naturally would. It just doesn't work for a lot of people for long. For the record, we hear the paleo woe here on a regular basis.   I think you'll be happier with the custom fit.

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I feel great on Paleo, though I am an O. I do Paleo with SWAMI foods. No grains, dairy, sugar or processed foods. Legumes are minimal and only my beneficial ones when I go there. I do low carb, moderate protein and healthy fats. The combo of Paleo/ BT work great for me.

I find the no grains, dairy, sugar and processed foods are the most important for me.

YQ, as an A I can see why you'd feel bad eating all that protein. Even as an O I have to keep my protein size down at each meal, like 3  oz at a time. I also require a lot of green veggies and healthy fat. I do great with mostly fish and red meat a few times a week. Poultry is in question.  


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Dr. D. did write in the GTD book that there are no combined types.  I tried to rationalize why its okay to drink beer every day, because it is neutral for A non secretors, and because my dad is a nomad (hey then it had to be excellent for me!).  But in terms of the gtd, beer is a toxin for explorers, and there is no way to deny it.  In fact, all alcohol is a toxin for explorers, where as for teachers wine is beneficial, and for warriors it is too.  I may fare better with wine as a nite cap than beer.  I think beer is not the best for my gut flora.  My belly is bloated most of the time and I gained a few pounds, and probably would have more energy and lost the few pounds of belly fat if I reserved alcohol for special occasions, like the weekend   


My son's SWAMI has red wine listed as a neutral. And he's bona fide explorer (well, at least so far, but he's got some seriously jacked up fingerprints and teeth).


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Also, paleo makes me feel like death. If I do beans and rice a couple of days a week, I'm good, but I have to make sure I eat plenty of greens to make up for the lack of folate and magnesium.


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Easy E.. ya know why alc. intake might be bad for us, not only physically but almost mentally...we're running on a very high level mentally and it forces up our nerve system until exhaustion I observed... therefor better not too much...  


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And it slows the liver down big time. But some of us have clotting tendencies that red wine helps... It's such a fine line, though.


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Easy E.. ya know why alc. intake might be bad for us, not only physically but almost mentally...we're running on a very high level mentally and it forces up our nerve system until exhaustion I observed... therefor better not too much...  


I had less this week.  Instead of beer I had lemon water or green tea.  I did have two beers and one eggnog with rum this week

I do think even a couple of beers a day caused bloating and was feeding bad microbes or yeast in my gut.  Makes the liver work harder too and slows fat burning.   I haven't had as much experience with red wine or white wine, I only drink it occasionally.  
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Meant to add I finally got SWAMI for myself. I also get Red wine as neutral.


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Easy E... better to go for wine.... makes less fat and has less toxic issues in... if organic ....


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