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I have a dear friend who is blood type A and is doing the paleo diet. I am worried about her, since she is consuming a lot of meat protein-- some chicken, some lamb  but also beef and pork. She has her own chickens and eats eggs daily. She is grain and gluten free for the most part. She works very hard as a midwife in a hospital and is raising 3 teenage girls.

She says that since quitting grains, most beans and dairy and eating meat (she was vegetarian for a long time and consumed a lot of soy and grains) she feels much better and has lots more energy. I know she was constantly eating before, though she never had much of a weight problem, though in the last few years she was gaining a little around her middle.

Are there Explorer nonnie As that are allowed to eat red meat? what has been your experience? She is convinced this is very good for her. (I personally feel that she is not handling stress as well as she might, but then she has a very high stress life, with her work and her family. I'm wondering what I can do to help, in the way of suggestions.)
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I think lamb is ok... I'm not sure for veal nor beef but pork is def. a true no-go!!! ....and that she's grain and gluten free... no wonder of muchmore energies ....


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lamb and turkey are superfoods under GTD.  she probably needs that right now.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I assume that all the meat she eats, even the beef and pork, are sustainably sourced and all animals are fed their natural diets? Even for an A, such high quality meat is going to be less harmful than "supermarket meat."

I don't know if there's any way to convince her to stop the pork and beef and stick to poultry and lamb. If she's feeling good with her current diet, why would she want to make changes?

She may be more conducive to stress relief methods that don't involve cutting out meat. There are herbs that are good for helping As deal with stress, along with things like yoga and meditation. She may benefit from a good magnesium supplement- using it transdermally is usually better absorbed than any oral supplements.


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Thanks for the responses.

I haven't actually tried to get her to do the measurements-- she's really resistant to anything but paleo--- and feels that her life is too crazy to be able to keep track of specific foods. So she just refuses to do carbs, aside from a little rice flour and coconut products which she loves-- the oil the flour the milk. Does lots of fruits and veggies, and most all the stuff she eats is organic or free range or local farm produce without added pesticides. I just have assumed she is Explorer because she seems to do well on meat and no carbs which I think most other A genotypes don't. Correct me if I' wrong, I don't now that many As doing the Swami.
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Another thought- it is possible that she's not an A?


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If she is a teacher then getting off wheat and having her thyroid turn back on would increase energy extensively. But if that's true then her paleo diet is going to let her feel high energy from being strung out enough to not feel tired. Teachers are usually those that don't gain.

Which is she? I dunno. They are often not hard to tell apart from a photo/look.

Unfortunately Type A often feel good at first on paleo. But then bad health slowly sets in and is much harder to reverse. Lucky Type O's see the effects of good or bad quickly, Type A's take time.
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I have a dear friend who is blood type A and is doing the paleo diet. I am worried about her, since she is consuming a lot of meat protein-- some chicken, some lamb  but also beef and pork. She has her own chickens and eats eggs daily. She is grain and gluten free for the most part. She works very hard as a midwife in a hospital and is raising 3 teenage girls.

She says that since quitting grains, most beans and dairy and eating meat (she was vegetarian for a long time and consumed a lot of soy and grains) she feels much better and has lots more energy. I know she was constantly eating before, though she never had much of a weight problem, though in the last few years she was gaining a little around her middle.

Are there Explorer nonnie As that are allowed to eat red meat? what has been your experience? She is convinced this is very good for her. (I personally feel that she is not handling stress as well as she might, but then she has a very high stress life, with her work and her family. I'm wondering what I can do to help, in the way of suggestions.)


I do really well with lamb a diamond meat. Goat, mutton and rabbit are also on my diamond meat list. Venison and moose are on my neutral lists. Beef and buffalo are on my avoid list, but they are the least of my problems if I do eat them they are always grass-fed and I seem to not have any issues with them. Caribou is on my black dot list but I never get an opportunity to have that.


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I've had a SWAMI for a year and a half and it has worked well for me, more so after I got my secretor status tested about 1 year ago. Until the secretor test, I had myself listed as a non-secretor and I did have lamb listed as a superfood, but was only allowed a serving once or twice a week. All other meats are/were listed as avoids. Also, I was listed as a Warrior when I first ran my SWAMI because I didn't have my Meyers-Briggs info entered (which changed my genotype to Teacher), and they get less meat and poultry per week than Teachers do. I don't know about Explorers and meat allowances, though, but I don't imagine they get too much animal protein.

Your friends weight gain around the middle sounds typical of a Warrior, but many people are a fairly even mixture of genotypes, including myself. If she's eating the right beans and dairy products, yes she would likely be feeling the benefits of the diet for that reason. I can also understand how not eating wheat would improve her digestion and energy level; my SWAMI lists wheat as an avoid for me even though some A's can eat it without too many problems. But I can't relate to feeling better from eating a lot of animal protein. My stomach is always happier when I don't eat much meat, and believe me, I have much opportunity to eat meat in a household full of O's and B's. My regularity is always impacted when I have just a little too much meat or poultry.

You could recommend ashwagandha or gingko biloba to your friend to reduce stress levels as I feel they are both very effective for type A's.  


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My husband and I are both A nonnies.  We have not done the Swami - just the blood type diet.  We eat 5 or fewer servings of grains of any kind PER WEEK. Grains make both of us bloat up and gain weight.  

I have noticed, though, that he requires more meat than I do.  He does well with strenous exercise and more meat intake. We both eat organic soy regularly. I do well with more beans, less meat.  My body screams at me when I don't eat enough veggies.  

Perhaps if we did all the testing we would each have our own individual diet prescriptions and if so I think they would be quiet different.  But for now, I just try to see that he gets more meat and we both are doing fine.  


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I am a split mix of teacher and explorer and I need the balance of grains and poultry or fish. I feel my best and have the most energy when I include at least one serving of turkey, fish and sometimes chicken daily. I make sure to eat beans/rice/nuts on my meatless days.


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There are no splits. You are or are not.
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There are no splits. You are or are not.
What do you mean DoS? I definitely feel like a mix of Explorer and Gatherer....
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What do you mean DoS? I definitely feel like a mix of Explorer and Gatherer....


In one sense you are since you have characteristics of both.

In another sense you are not because you are what SWAMI says you are (unless you override it, another story entirely).

In the final sense, it is just a label. Nothing more. All it does is suggest some things that are generically more correct for a group of people like you than for other groups of people.

Don't get hung up on the label.
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People share problems, but not the solutions, causes, etc.

I can have a-typical explorer like issues, say like being sensitive to some chemicals etc, but my body doesn't share the paradigm for an explorer.

The things we do share are just part of being human. The fixes for the issues are not often the same, and how we got them not often related.

A gatherer experiencing explorer like issues could be experiencing them related to poor metabolism. The explorer could have superb metabolism and still experience them. The relief for an explorer might help a gatherer, but in this case it'd be a very temporary solution. It's because their bodies are very different, even if they have a common symptom.

The SWAMI percentages, in my opinion, shouldn't be given out because they encourage this confusion. The other remaining percentage isn't assigned to another GenoType it just isn't showing you.  
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I disagree entirely with the "you are or you are not."  In GTD, there only six types, but SWAMI works within a spectrum, and people most definitely are blends of genotypes.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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No. They are blends of hormonal differences in the womb, developmental differences growing up, and genetic inheritance. They are certainly very complicated but the complications are not composed from something as narrow as six types.

The patterns of what makes GenoType is very unique in that there are 6. It seems crazy, almost not possible, but I can't really argue with what I see in person. The people are all very different but they have presiding functions from one of the six GenoTypes.

I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes.

Relations between GenoTypes in symptoms and benefits don't have to be untrue in order for the concept of being a percentage of a GenoType mixture to be untrue. It might seem confusing when SWAMI can be a difference of a click between GenoTypes, as if the two GenoTypes would be similar because of that, but they are not. It'd be nice to get that to be not so easily switched, but it is software taking a guess.
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No. They are blends of hormonal differences in the womb, developmental differences growing up, and genetic inheritance. They are certainly very complicated but the complications are not composed from something as narrow as six types.

The patterns of what makes GenoType is very unique in that there are 6. It seems crazy, almost not possible, but I can't really argue with what I see in person. The people are all very different but they have presiding functions from one of the six GenoTypes.

I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes.

Relations between GenoTypes in symptoms and benefits don't have to be untrue in order for the concept of being a percentage of a GenoType mixture to be untrue. It might seem confusing when SWAMI can be a difference of a click between GenoTypes, as if the two GenoTypes would be similar because of that, but they are not. It'd be nice to get that to be not so easily switched, but it is software taking a guess.


You make a very intelligent and well thought-out argument DoS. Just like no two people in the world have the same fingerprints or DNA, we are all a unique blend of multiple characteristics.

Still, I like knowing my SWAMI percentage. If I wasn't rated a 39% Warrior before my secretor and MB status were updated and my genotype changed, I would have had a hard time wrapping my brain around the 42% Teacher rating. I was convinced I was a moderately strong Warrior before I got SWAMI and every time I look at myself I see Warrior because I have the "egghead" and I'm tall for a woman. The superfoods I used to eat that are now neutral or black dot do not give me noticeable problems, and that's good for me to know. I appreciate the knowledge that SWAMI has provided me in spite of the updates and changes. Just my 2 cents worth.


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I am an A Explorer Nonnie. I can eat meat. Not to the point of excluding starches every day, but now I can go a few days until I "need" starches, because of Genoharmonic meals I utilise. It's like waving a tuning fork or magic wand

I tried Atkins and Primal Blueprint. It let me lose some water weight but it didn't address genetic issues I had with health. Plus - the people on Primal Blueprint forums got so narrowminded and ugly sometimes, mostly reflected a Nike-style "Just Do It!" attitude as if that one lifestyle was the only "correct" one in the world. Yuk. Just goes to prove that you can eat like an O and even be an O but still be in foul health and a foul state of mind.


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Seraffa, probably all the nitrates in the bacon that they're always pushing?! lol
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I'm kind of surprised at the argument you propose, that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes. Perhaps that is a new way to think of it? When I do it seems a bit silly. But the point rather is you are unique to your GenoType, not from mixing. The GenoTypes even with great variances, have very predominate functions that don't change or they wouldn't be the GenoType. Those functions just aren't shared or there wouldn't be GenoTypes. - snip -
We're definitely misunderstanding each if you infer that I believe "that people are made of such a limited spectrum of the GenoTypes."  And then you who rail against my "limitation" state that each unique individual should be categorized into only one of six fundamental Genotypes, sans percentage!  So instead of considering myself 44% Explorer, I should just be Explorer.  That's even more limiting IMO.  These Genotypes are just labels, just as Red is a label for a certain range of colors in the light spectrum.  Except the light spectrum is a linear range, whereas GT is at least two-dimensional if not more.



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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You are an explorer, whether you want to add "just" in front of it is your choice. Plus saying someone is just xgenotype doesn't mean that implies they don't have 10 billion other features that are unique to them since an explorer will have uniqueness inherently. It's like a myer-briggs test, you are just what you are but everything to do with paints a unique picture through that scope of your personality type.

The percent means that 44% of your information is typical of other explorers. But it appears to be in a weighted system, and one feature may conflict with another yet be weighted more so 100% may not be possible. As in say one fingerprint set is typical and worth 10% but another is typical yet only worth 8%. You can't have both, but they both give points toward explorer. I don't know for sure if that's how it works, but seems likely given that no one gets anywhere near 100% .
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DOS,
I said that I was a split because;

I can have my swami run with the ancestry box checked for Southern European and the result is Teacher 39%.
Without changing anything, except marking Western European, I can run it again and the result is Explorer 38%.
One percent difference.
I am both of these ancestries.

So, the strength passes for teacher include my very sinewed tendons and MyersBriggs, the explorer doesn't but lists my fingerprints / fingerprint asymmetry and ring to index finger ratio as hallmark explorer. Both say my blood type and somatype are typical of each.

The eating plans for each are very similar, sharing many superfoods and neutrals; so I could follow either plan. Yes, it is just a label, and no, I am not hung up on it. Ultimately, I know what works for me and what doesn't.  

But I am still a split.




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There are people who will re-run SWAMI multiple times, with slight changes in input data, and change genotype each time it's re-run. That's because their bodies are already showing traits from 2 or 3 different genotypes, and changing some data (such as weight, or updating their health history) will change the "genotype label" on their SWAMI, even though their actual food lists may not change very much.

Meanwhile there are some people (like me) who always come out the same. I've had SWAMI run 3 separate ways: first it was run with both secretor and non-secretor variants, then it was re-done a year later when I got my secretor status verified, and I was re-measured at the same time. All 3 versions pegged me as Gatherer, even though I relate to many Explorer tendencies as well. There were changes in the food list with each of the 3 variants, but the "gatherer" label remained.


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Great conversations here! glad I asked the question.

Saraffa, your post came the closest to makng sense of my friend-- dairy I knew was a given-- I think overall it doesn't work for As?--so I know that is helping. And she really doesn't seem to do well with most grains, though wheat is the worst offender and she will occasionally eat some corn and rice. Beans as a catagory, especially soy don't work for her, so she avoids them (except green beans). I have a powerful suspicion she is a nonnie. She says her irritability level has changed a lot and she's much happier in general (though getting rid of her deadbeat husband--and he truly was--probably has helped). He left shortly after she changed her way of eating. More patient (not a Moon in Ares strong suit in any case), tolerant and calm than previously, and she puts it down to handling stress better and feeling a lot better physically.
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