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Hi, I understand that swami is supercool software to determine the diet perfect for you, but, is it based on your specific answers to each genotype question or is it based purely on genotype, blood type and secretor status? Any help would be really appreciated as I feel a little bit lost at the mo.
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I observed it must be based on all you've mentioned ....


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When you get SWAMI, there are a lot of data fields to enter. It asks your blood type, secretor status (you can leave it blank if you don't know it), and a lot of questions about your personal and family health history. You also enter in the data that you used to determine your genotype- but you let the program calculate the genotype for you. There's a place to put in your genotype, if you want to over-ride what it calculates for you, but that should only be used if you have a specific reason to do so. SWAMI works best when you let it do its own calculations.

It may come up with a "genotype label" different from the one you got in the book. That's OK. It then evaluates each and every food on many factors, determining if that food is good for you or not. Sometimes you can see clearly "this food is good for my blood type, that's why it's good on my SWAMI" or "this food is good for my genotype, so I see why it's good on my SWAMI"( the same is true for the "avoid" foods) but sometimes it seems somewhat random and you're not sure why SWAMI says a food is good for you or bad for you.


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watch this video......all your answers in one click

http://www.4yourtype.com/swamixp_video.asp


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I too am thinking about getting Swami...(birthday is coming up soon & it´s the only pressie I really really want!) . My question is..is secretor status necessary or is it possible to have a relevant personalised diet without it?? Has anyone experience of this?
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rosa - If you don't want to get a secretor test, you can input that you are one or the other in your SWAMI profile and see how it goes, then after a bit of time, you can go back and change what you've input and see what changes it makes to your food lists, and try eating that way. You're most likely a secretor (80-85% of people are - but I wouldn't necessarily assume...)

That being said, it really is a very important piece of information, and even though the test is quite expensive, it's well worth knowing for sure  


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Getting a swami is the best thing I ever got.
Actually I would not be following GTD if I had not been swamied .
I am such a bordercase than I have very strong influence from all 3 genotypes so it was really confusing not to really fit any of the GT very well.
But my swami is a match made in heaven ( I only miss avocado, olives and bacon )


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So, I just had a look at the example swami 'jane public' and I am an explorer too does this mean that my swami would be the same? Am guessing not... so, when I did my genotype I came out as explorer but hunter seemed to be in the running for a time too...does swami take all these anomalies into consideration?
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No. "Jane Public" is not a real person- that was run with random answer checked for the health questions and measurements. The only point of the "Jane Public" SWAMI is to show people what the SWAMI printout looks like, which foods are rated, etc.

Nobody is intended to use that particular food list.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Hi Lola, thanks for the link...but the site is under construction...
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All ready to swami up... site under construction...oh well...
How long does the store site normally stay offline for?
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I managed to buy from the green fields clinic site in the UK, but had assumed it was a download and not a physical disc.
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I too am thinking about getting Swami...(birthday is coming up soon & it´s the only pressie I really really want!) . My question is..is secretor status necessary or is it possible to have a relevant personalised diet without it?? Has anyone experience of this?
Happy Birthday, rosa!  I got mine for Christmas.  I don't know my secretor status, yet I still get some benefit from it.  As well, I've run it both with secretor and non-secretor status -- that field is not "locked" once you enter something into it.  Good luck!



My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I managed to buy from the green fields clinic site in the UK, but had assumed it was a download and not a physical disc.

It is a user name and password, as the program runs in a browser window...

SWAMI takes into account all of the information you input and calculates the diet for you based on that input - which is significantly more than the book takes into account.  If you don't have some of the non-required information, the program will still provide information, but when you get more information and re-run it, there may be changes...


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Hi Lola, thanks for the link...but the site is under construction...


Greenfields Clinic is fine.

But right4eu.sageshops.co.uk is working.

http://right4eu.sageshops.co.uk/gbp/product_info.php?products_id=193


It is not a disk.

What you receive by mail, is a link to a website with login information.

When SWAMI Xpress 2 is released it will be distributed electronically.


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Thanks so much everyone I am now looking forward to getting "swamied" without the secretor status for the moment...as you all say I can add to the data input at a later date.
SquarePeg, many thanks for the birthday wishes..it´s on Saturday..but I´m working all day    Nevertheless I´ll celebrate dining-out in the evening with DH...whether it will be fully compliant is another story Between the BTD & GTD I have a pretty good idea which foods are ok...tho´I´m depending on Swami to ´tweak´ it...just hoping the odd glass or two of red wine are still ok
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You're still following BTD, so red wine is fine.

Even if red wine comes out as an "avoid" on SWAMI, you may still choose to indulge a few times a year anyway. SWAMI is a resource, and it's up to you how to use it.


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can you use the swami test for more than one family member, or do you need to purchase 1 for each person


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can you use the swami test for more than one family member, or do you need to purchase 1 for each person


SWAMI Xpress is licensed for use for a single person.

There are time locked fields designed to prevent you from switching the input data from one person to another person.


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Rosa, I took the plunge and just got my SWAMI, my brain just hurt from trying to be such an ace detective   ...It's brilliant...so glad I did. I happen to like boundaries and was feeling lost trying to balance blood type and genotype...it really is like fairy godmother waving her sparkly wand, and now all the worry has just gone and I can just get on with the living, and the eating, and the being happy, knowing what it means when I put food in my body...good or bad...am now in control.
Hope you get your SWAMI soon and love it as much as I do and hope you get just as many lovely surprises...yum, yum, yum...
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Thank you C sharp, i know to order 2 now. My daughter needs it more than me you see but i want it too x


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and further observations in my patients replies while this little *but* is..was implemented...always came out *no*.... ...this is nothing for me...


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Rosa, I took the plunge and just got my SWAMI, my brain just hurt from trying to be such an ace detective   ...It's brilliant...so glad I did. I happen to like boundaries and was feeling lost trying to balance blood type and genotype...it really is like fairy godmother waving her sparkly wand, and now all the worry has just gone and I can just get on with the living, and the eating, and the being happy, knowing what it means when I put food in my body...good or bad...am now in control.
Hope you get your SWAMI soon and love it as much as I do and hope you get just as many lovely surprises...yum, yum, yum...


Well said, Brimstone. As a bonus, getting good results (immediate, convincing for many folks) eliminates the confusing background noise of so much conflicting information offered by the various "one-size-fits-all" diets.

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Just curious but is it possible for SWAMI to give back things like chicken to B or AB people? Or are the main avoids still avoids no matter what?


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I'm cooking for all 4 types, and my work is cut out in the mom cave. Our blood types are as follows AB+ (me), O-, A+ (x2 adult children), B+(2 year old).
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Just curious but is it possible for SWAMI to give back things like chicken to B or AB people? Or are the main avoids still avoids no matter what?


Some foods that were avoids on Blood Type or GenoType diet may become neutral or beneficial in SWAMI. (some foods go the other direction also)

However, I would not count on Chicken moving to a beneficial category for you.


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Just curious but is it possible for SWAMI to give back things like chicken to B or AB people? Or are the main avoids still avoids no matter what?


Tami, I honestly believe that if you give up chicken for just a few weeks, you'll never want to eat it again.  It was the first thing I eliminated cold turkey, and was astonished by how much better I felt-- sort of an overall decongest. B's and AB's just can't metabolize it, and it wreaks havoc with a number of our systems.

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Just curious but is it possible for SWAMI to give back things like chicken to B or AB people? Or are the main avoids still avoids no matter what?

For some lesser avoids, it may be possible to get it back via SWAMI, but the chicken lectin is so powerful that I doubt any B or AB would ever get it back...

There are 6 or 7 foods at the front of each Type section in Live Right to avoid to prevent lectin damage and I doubt anyone of any type ever gets those back via SWAMI...  It would be counter-intuitive to the whole reason we follow this plan.


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Rosa, I took the plunge and just got my SWAMI, my brain just hurt from trying to be such an ace detective   ...It's brilliant...so glad I did. I happen to like boundaries and was feeling lost trying to balance blood type and genotype...it really is like fairy godmother waving her sparkly wand, and now all the worry has just gone and I can just get on with the living, and the eating, and the being happy, knowing what it means when I put food in my body...good or bad...am now in control.
Hope you get your SWAMI soon and love it as much as I do and hope you get just as many lovely surprises...yum, yum, yum...
Congratulations!


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Actually I have had chicken as * dot  when I came out as gatherer
however I get so severe reactions to it that I don´t eat it.


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The main avoids usually still remain avoids, but I have heard of Bs or ABs getting chicken as a black dot. My daughter's SWAMI gives her wheat as a black dot, and she can eat it in moderation without any obvious symptoms. (We'll see what her overall health is like after a year away from a real kitchen.) She does a lot worse on potatoes than she does on wheat, and potatoes are an outright avoid for her.


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Why is it that there would be a difference in an avoid food between the BT, genotype and SWAMI?  I don't understand that.  And, if it recommends venison, deer, elk, rabbit as meat sources, and to cut back on ground beef, and no chicken, and you would NEVER eat those (venison, deer, elb, etc.) what the heck is left to eat?  Also, how to find FISH that is not irradiated from the leakages?  Thank you!
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>Why is it that there would be a difference in an avoid food between the BT, genotype and SWAMI?  

If there was no difference there would be one system.

Different factors are considered in rating the foods in the different systems, so the foods have different ratings.

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if it recommends venison, deer, elk, rabbit as meat sources, and to cut back on ground beef, and no chicken, and you would NEVER eat those (venison, deer, elb, etc.) what the heck is left to eat?


Consult the food lists in whatever system you are using. There should be lots of other things to eat.  With the exception of Chicken I never eat any of the foods on your list. But I have no trouble finding things to eat (today it is green beans, black beans, a variety of greens, carrots, walnuts, peanuts, plum, grapefruit, note that I am an A not a B)

>how to find FISH that is not irradiated from the leakages?

Fish from streams and lakes should not be contaminated by what has been spilled in the Ocean.  Perhaps I will have some trout tomorrow.


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What makes you think that nothing has been spilled in the lake?


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Why is it that there would be a difference in an avoid food between the BT, genotype and SWAMI?  I don't understand that.  

The BTD and the GTD are taking different approaches to bringing your body into a state of balanced health.  The BTD is helping you to make the most of the genes you have inherited.  The GTD is helping you to change your genes by toning down or putting to sleep the negative expressions of disease and inherited weaknesses;  and waking up or enhancing the positive strengths in your genes that might have remained dormant for generations.  The SWAMI is an individualized program designed just for your body and usually includes some of the best influences of both the BTD and the GTD.

And, if it recommends venison, deer, elk, rabbit as meat sources, and to cut back on ground beef, and no chicken, and you would NEVER eat those (venison, deer, elb, etc.) what the heck is left to eat?  

I choose lean lamb and it works great for me.  

Also, how to find FISH that is not irradiated from the leakages?  

I have been eating wild Pacific Chinook Salmon for 20 years, but sadly, it doesn't appear to be a safe choice anymore.  Since I am determined to eat fish and especially fatty, cold water fish, I've started ordering canned sardines from Vital Choice.  The fish are wild-caught off the coast of Norway and packed fresh in non-BPA containing cans, with organic extra virgin olive oil and sea salt.  I get the boneless fillets, which are not smoked.  They're delicious - better than any sardines I've ever tried.





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Well I have lots more to eat on the swami  

I have both beef,veal, venison as superfood
- turkey is diamond ( so is goat,rabbit and lamb)
I am not so crazy about lamb- so I live happy with the other meats.

Fish is much more varied as well.

For me it was a big relief to get a swami ( thank you -you know who that gave it to me )


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Why is it that there would be a difference in an avoid food between the BT, genotype and SWAMI?  I don't understand that.  And, if it recommends venison, deer, elk, rabbit as meat sources, and to cut back on ground beef, and no chicken, and you would NEVER eat those (venison, deer, elb, etc.) what the heck is left to eat?  Also, how to find FISH that is not irradiated from the leakages?  Thank you!


If all 3 systems recommended the same thing, why would we need all 3 systems?

Remember that all foods have some "good things" in them as well as some "bad things" in them. What Dr D has done is evaluate "how much do you need the nutrients in this food" vs "how much will the toxins in this food harm you?" to determine the food ratings.

Blood Type Diet takes a look at blood type for determining which foods are good or bad for the individual. In Genotype, more factors are considered. Some foods that are good for "most type Bs" might not be such a good choice for type Bs who are also Explorers. The foods contain the same nutrients and anti-nutrients, but the relative weight of "how important is this nutrient" vs "how toxic is this anti-nutrient" change when different factors are evaluated.

SWAMI takes a look at even more factors. Chicken is toxic because of the way the lectin affects type B blood. Beef isn't harmful to *most* type B individuals, but there's something about it that just isn't good for you personally. Meanwhile, some other meats are especially good for you.

Do the best you can with the fish. It's really unfortunate that the planet is so polluted. You just need to evaluate how much your body needs the nutrients from fish vs how toxic that particular kind of fish is.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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Well I finally completed my SWAMI...and as I said in another thread I´m swamied as      "Gatherer" which was no surprise   thank goodness I already was (almost!) on the right nutritional path for me

Just a few pleasant surprises...Lamb is diamond, so is pineapple, spirulina but so is pecorino...now that was a nice bonus!! Life is good!!!

So far I´m thoroughly delighted to be finished being "ace detective" ...many thanks to you Brimstone and everyone for gentle encouragement to just "go-ahead" even without my secretor-status...

Now I need to just stick with my Diamonds and Supers
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congrats, rosa!  Pecorino a diamond!  wow!  Still no coffee I bet, though.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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thank you SquarePeg  
Still no coffee...but since I gave it up several years ago due to non-stop palpitations ( also alot of stress at the time!) I never missed it! I just enjoy the aroma of brewing coffee for DH now    Green tea is my tipple-of-choice...funny I don´t see Kombucha listed on my SWAMI..I half expected to see it in the Supers
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"Kombucha tea" is listed in the "beverage" section of my SWAMI. For me, it's a black dot. It should be listed for you (though I have no clue how it will rate for you personally.) Look again. I have my SWAMI report saved as a PDF file and I can use "control-F" to search for specific words.


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