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blue_skies77
Wednesday, August 7, 2013, 4:37pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Hello everyone,

I placed a large order yesterday including the Saliva Secretor Test (I think I'm a nonnie) the GenoTyping kit, and Swami Xpress.  At the same time I also ordered a bunch of type O products including the Type O protein powder and a box of each kind of Unibar.   I also ordered the following supplements, many of which are Type O specific:

Polyflora O®
Harmonia Deluxe®
Trehalose Complex
Deflect O®  
Live Cell O®
Polyvite O®
Sip Right 4 Your Type Tea O
Fucus Plus®
Catechol®

I have been reading a bit more about Swami Xpress, and have seen many references to GenoType specific products that seem to be recommended by SwamiX.  Now I am wondering if it is a mistake to order all these products before getting my SwamiX results, although it will be a couple weeks before I receive my Secretor status, so I may wait a while to run the program.

Does Swami recommend any of the ABO supplements?  If it doesn't and it recommends other supplements (more GenoType perhaps) is it a good or bad idea to also take the supplements I listed above?

I appreciate any insight anyone can offer.

Also, I am not completely sure I am rH positive.  Do I need to be absolutely sure in order to get an accurate Saliva Secretor Test result?  

Thanks in advance!

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C_Sharp
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Rh value is not relevant to secretor status so for that it does not matter.

If you are not confident in your Rh value you may want to give blood (they nearly always tell you on the spot or mail you the Rh factor a few days later with a donor card) or get a blood type test kit.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=YTE001

(these have free shipping so you do not need to order a bunch of other things with it)

Rh is one of the things SWAMI asks for (In most cases it does not dramatically change the diet plan produced)


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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C_Sharp
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Polyflora O®
Harmonia Deluxe®
Trehalose Complex
Deflect O®  
Live Cell O®
Polyvite O®
Sip Right 4 Your Type Tea O
Fucus Plus®
Catechol®

I have been reading a bit more about Swami Xpress, and have seen many references to GenoType specific products that seem to be recommended by SwamiX.  Now I am wondering if it is a mistake to order all these products before getting my SwamiX results, although it will be a couple weeks before I receive my Secretor status, so I may wait a while to run the program.


You can run SWAMI now without secretor status and then when you get your secretor status add it and rerun it pretty easily)

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Does Swami recommend any of the ABO supplements?  

Yes
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If it doesn't and it recommends other supplements (more GenoType perhaps) is it a good or bad idea to also take the supplements I listed above?



I see nothing in your list above that would create problems for you. So certainly no harm and you should benefit from taking them.

In the case that a supplement is redundant, I would just use up the products you have first.

That is if SWAMI recommends Exakta (a multivitamin), I would use up the Polyvite first before starting on Exakta (The two formulas are fairly similar if you look at the supplement information).




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C_Sharp
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Here is an example of supplement recommendations for an O hunter without specific health concerns that I ran recently:

Polyflora O Probiotic
Protein Blend 4 ' O'
Hunter Activator
Hunter Catalyst
Chocolate Cherry Bar (12-Pk)
Blueberry Almond Bar (12-Pk)
Basic Type O Pack (Deflect O, Polyvite O, Phytocal O, Polyflora O)

Yours will of course be different


MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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blue_skies77
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Rh value is not relevant to secretor status so for that it does not matter.

I called the company with a question before I ordered.  I also asked about the secretor test because I had a price list from 2012 and it seemed to indicate that it would tell me ABO, rH, and secretor status.  (I think this is the blood test that seems to have been discontinued.)

I mentioned this to the representative, and she told me that not only does the secretor test not tell me my rH factor, but I absolutely had to know it to get an accurate secretor test.  

This surprised me, because I really thought knowing that I am an O is sufficient.  I thought it will check for the H antigen since I am an O, and the rh factor plays no part in the saliva secretor test.

I ended up adding the ABO blood test to my order because I don't want to invalidate my secretor test results by not being completely sure of my rh factor.

I used the NAP blood test kit way back in 1998.  I know that I clearly tested as an O, and I think the rh was positive, but I am not 100% sure.  I tried to give blood around that time but got dizzy so they didn't run a blood test.  They sent me a card a few weeks later, but I can't find that either.

It's a bit frustrating that I may have ordered the ABO test again even though it seems I may have been misinformed that rh status is needed for the Secretor test.  I emailed the Red Cross to have a new donor card sent, but that will probably take a while to receive it, and I wanted to send in my Secretor test as soon as possible.  If it really does only require the ABO status and not the rh, I will probably just skip doing the ABO test again.  (I wasn't a fan of sticking myself with the needle.)  Maybe I can sell the test to someone.

Thank you for your advice about the supplements.  I was starting to worry that I had made a mistake with that too, as I was reading more about the SWAMI program.  I was in such a hurry to find out my secretor status, and just kept adding things to my cart.

I used to love Catechol and took it for many years.  I eventually started just taking Rhodiola at night to help clear excess adrenaline, but I'm sure Catechol is much better overall.  I use kinesiology, so I'm interested to see how these products test for me now.

Thank you again for taking time to reply!

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blue_skies77
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Quoted from C_Sharp
Here is an example of supplement recommendations for an O hunter without specific health concerns that I ran recently:

Polyflora O Probiotic
Protein Blend 4 ' O'
Hunter Activator
Hunter Catalyst
Chocolate Cherry Bar (12-Pk)
Blueberry Almond Bar (12-Pk)
Basic Type O Pack (Deflect O, Polyvite O, Phytocal O, Polyflora O)

Yours will of course be different


Oh, that makes me feel better!  According to the GenoType book, I think I am probably a Gatherer or Explorer.  My index finger are a tiny bit longer than my ring fingers.
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I called the company with a question before I ordered.  I also asked about the secretor test because I had a price list from 2012 and it seemed to indicate that it would tell me ABO, rH, and secretor status.  (I think this is the blood test that seems to have been discontinued.)

I mentioned this to the representative, and she told me that not only does the secretor test not tell me my rH factor, but I absolutely had to know it to get an accurate secretor test.  

This surprised me, because I really thought knowing that I am an O is sufficient.  I thought it will check for the H antigen since I am an O, and the rh factor plays no part in the saliva secretor test.

I ended up adding the ABO blood test to my order because I don't want to invalidate my secretor test results by not being completely sure of my rh factor.

...

It's a bit frustrating that I may have ordered the ABO test again even though it seems I may have been misinformed that rh status is needed for the Secretor test.  




Oops!  I stand corrected.  I did not think that Rh was needed for the saliva secretor test, but if the testing company told you that they need Rh -- they obviously know what they need better than I do.

Now about the 2012 price list  and the secretor test telling you ABO, rh, and secretor status.  That was for the Glycometrics secretor test kit. The Glycometrics test is no longer offered.


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Oops!  I stand corrected.  I did not think that Rh was needed for the saliva secretor test, but if the testing company told you that they need Rh -- they obviously know what they need better than I do.

Now about the 2012 price list  and the secretor test telling you ABO, rh, and secretor status.  That was for the Glycometrics secretor test kit. The Glycometrics test is no longer offered.


Well no, I meant that I called NAP.  I'm still not that confident that they either didn't know or misunderstood what I was asking.  I guess I will see when I get the test if the information is required.

Do you have any idea why the Glycometrics secretor test was discontinued.  I've seen a few mentions about it here on the forum, but it seems it wasn't available for very long.  It seemed like it would have been very convenient.
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blue_skies77 :  all those supplements you mentioned I take or have taken on a regular basis.  I have also taken the 3 supplements specific to Gatherer's.  They are all great.



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blue_skies77
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blue_skies77 :  all those supplements you mentioned I take or have taken on a regular basis.  I have also taken the 3 supplements specific to Gatherer's.  They are all great.

Thank you so much!  That is very good to know.

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I hope the ink strips are easier than the ink pad.  

For me that is certainly the case

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The locked fields are easily changed by:

Leaving a message in the product (On the Tech support page)

Phoning: 1.203.761.0042    Monday-Friday, 9:AM-5M EST

or emailing swamixpress@northamericanpharmacal.com
(be sure to include account information so they reset the correct account)


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It's not a lot of money, but now I'm wondering what to do with it.  I tested everyone in my family years ago and don't know anyone else in this area who wants to buy it.  Maybe I can sell it online.  



It does not happen all the time with me.  But sometimes when I talk to people about the diet they have no idea what their blood type.  Depending on my relationship with them I sometimes give or sell then a test kit.

(It does happen that I sometimes wish I had a kit for someone and I do not have one)


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I am  going to try to resist commenting on all your values. I want to leave those for others to comment on.

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My ethnicity is 50% Slovenian and 50% Lithuanian.  Slovenia is considered Central or Southern Europe, and Lithuanian is usually included in Northern Europe, I think, so I entered Central Europe.  I wonder if it would be better to leave that blank?



One way to handle ambiguous ethnicity data, is to rely on haplogroup results instead.  These require genetic testing.If you have a brother test you can get Y-Chromosomal and Mitochondrial DNA at the same time.

I use 23 & Me for this testing, because it is the cheapest I can find and it provides more health information.

https://www.23andme.com/

Other people prefer the Genographic test (More complete haplogroup testing):

http://shop.nationalgeographic.....gsk&code=MR20936

Another alternative is ancestory.com:

http://ldna.ancestry.com/buyKitGoals.aspx


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On tasting: I would consider the category labeled "slight taster" in SWAMI Xpress to refer to a "Taster" and not a person that barely perceives the taste on the strip.

Help system for SWAMI Xpress gives you this clue as to the categories of Tasting:

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This is a very useful and inexpensive test that checks to see if you have the gene to taste either phenylthiocarbamide (PTC) or a related substance called propylthiouracil (PROP). PROP outcome is critical to an accurate GenoType determination. Although SWAMI Xpress® will run without you knowing your PROP Taster status it is highly recommended that you include this data. There are three possible results:

    ‘Non-tasters’ taste nothing from the strip
    ‘Tasters’ can taste the bitter substance
    ‘Super-tasters’ have an extremely strong reaction to the bitter substance



How to test for PROP Taster status:

You'll need to purchase two types of testing strips: a PROP-containing strip and an untreated strip, called a control. Use PROP testing strips rather than PTC strips. PROP strips yield the same results and are less toxic. A control strip is important, since people can easily imagine a taste, even if it is not there. PROP testing is explained in The GenoType Diet.


With your description of reaction to the strip, I would have entered "slight taster" (Not saying this is necessarily correct).


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I was a Hunter for a number of times that I ran it, until just now when I changed SuperTaster to Slight Taster, and Ecto-Mesomorphic to Mesomorphic.  Now it says I'm a Gatherer.


This may not be true for you.

But the GenoType labels are from an intermediate point in the diet creation process. Sometimes the diets with these different labels are nearly the same (Unlike hunter and gatherer diets in the books).





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C-Sharp, thank you so much for taking the time to answer some of my questions.  I do understand that the labels are different in SWAMI compared to the book, and that it doesn't necessarily mean there's a big difference when the label changes.   I just want to get the intake as accurate as possible.

I think I will ask to have the Lactose Tolerance field changed.  I really don't know why I put that.  I was eating a lot of organic whole milk yogurt for years and never really had the typical lactose intolerance symptoms.  I have been suspicious that wheat/gluten/dairy may have made me gain weight over the years, so I guess that's the main reason I chose that answer.  

I am really kind of frustrated by the leg length comparison.  I looked at the GenoType book again, and when I measure as instructed in the book by using the crease (in the middle of the thigh rather than the lateral point at the greater trochanter) I do think my lower leg is longer.  It's close, but equal is supposed to go the the lower leg anyway.  If I measure laterally on my thigh however, I get the opposite result.  If that is more accurate, I will have to have that input field changed too.

Thank you also for the Haplogroup testing information.  I saw the National Geographic test mentioned in a post, and someone had mentioned a cheaper, better option, but I didn't see any links in that thread.  I may get a test kit and swab my brother.  
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