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Enobattar
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I remember recently reading a post from Lola, I think, concerning the above topic.  Something like... "you should fill out the whole picture of your past health in SWAMI (and in regards to your family) instead of trying to manipulate it to give you a more specific diet for your currant health concern.  Just to work from the whole picture diet given and avoid what bothers you now even though may be a diamond or beneficial; adding them in at a later date as you heal?

Do I have this correct?

I've done both ways.  I want to do it correctly and appreciate any feedback out there.  


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Can you share a particular question you're having problems answering?   Each question is
independent of the others....our ancestor's diseases are in one section and our personal disease history would be inputted as well

Yes, that's the way to get an accurate diet...Answer the questions as truthfully as you possibly can.
Input as much truthful information without thinking about the outcome.  It's all about your measurements,
the diseases in your family, geographic location of your ancestors, blood type, secretor status if you
know it.....and you should wind up with the correct diet. Your own medical history would be part of the
way SWAMI combines all data with your ancestors history.

Don't over-think what SWAMI
calls you because you're going to be a blend of your blood type and possibly another overlapping genotype.  I'm a Teacher with a professional SWAMI but on my personal SWAMI I CAN become an
Explorer sometimes which I sort of know isn't correct.  Still, the difference on the food list was maybe
taking chicken livers out of the neutral column and putting them into beneficial.....either way, it didn't
totally change my complete diet.....just a few foods.   And if you did wind up with a few foods that
were moved and they didn't feel right to you, you have to go by your own common sense and gut
instinct.

SWAMIx isn't as perfect as a professional SWAMI because there is less to input.  So if you wind up with too much dairy and you know that feels wrong, eat dairy rarely.....like maybe once a week at
first and see how you do.

But Lola is correct....you get the best results from accurate input of information.  If you're not sure,
get someone to re-measure you and/or share information here for some technical support from
one of the very helpful forum moderators!  


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Thanks, Chloe.  You answered my question.

If I may add a specific.... My arthritis is Reactive/Infectious arthritis according to Dr. D's book on arthristis.

So far I know I'm on the right track because my pain and stiffness (in one finger only) has improved a lot and I certainly know my body will respond with increased pain if I consume (for example) regular sugar or even spelt or kamut which those 2 grains are now, when I enter all of my health past and present issues, beneficials.

This kind of arthritis is caused by leaky gut which is letting too large of molecules get into my blood stream causing my immune system to attack to try to heal but never quits because of the continual 'leaky gut'. [Layman's explanation  )

I'm improving my chewing thoroughly and taking Okra Pepsin E3 to slowly clean off the 'gunk' on my intestinal walls that contribute or maybe out right cause the leaky gut.  This will take at least a year to clean it up according to Dr. Bruce West of Health Alert and I've been taking it since March of this year.  And, of course, adhering as strictly as I can to my SWAMI.

Question....   If infectious/reactive arthritis is not 'bone on bone' arthritis as is osteoarthritis, but is a soft tissue problem based on autoimmune problems as stated above; do I check off not only the autoimmune box but also the 'joint problem' box?  Or do I simply check off the autoimmune box?  


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If you are calling infectious arthritis autoimmune, then check off that box.  If you do not think you
have osteoarthritis, it doesn't necessarily have to be bone on bone, where all your cartilage is gone..
You could still have the stiffness of OA.  Do you have a medical diagnosis of your condition or are
you just assuming your arthritis IS infectious based on the Arthritis book?

Do you feel you have any joint problems at all?

What you're describing is similar to my arthritis....I have joint problems (knees) but most of my issues are in soft tissue.  I'm wondering if that is more closely related to fibromyalgia, which was my diagnosis 20 years ago.

Do you feel you have those trigger points that hurt?  That is classic fibro.  And it's more muscular
than a bone/joint thing.

So let's go back to the fact that you feel your diet has given you some improvement. Happy for
you   What specific
supplements did you take?  Did you follow a protocol that heals the the gut?  Do you take Polyflora A
or Deflect A or Intrinsa/Gastro formulas?    Did you eliminate gluten?  Do you think you were gluten intolerant?  I was and still am and that was the cause of my leaky gut...  How about the white lines in your fingerprints?  Did you have them?
Most of my prints were flattened out severely from white lines/gluten..  I've been off gluten for 8 years.  Still haven't fully healed my gut due to taking abx....which set me back.  But while on
abx, I realized I had no aches and pains so possibly, I've got what you're describing.

Do you have issues with any specific foods?  Dairy?  Grains?  Trying to compare notes with you
and also I want to go back and read the Arthritis book Dr. D wrote.  Haven't read it in years.  You've made me rethink the source of my aches and pains.

Glad you posted and shared your info....I think your experience can help ME!  

MEDLINE on infectious arthritis....after reading it doesn't apply to me...no swelling...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/infectiousarthritis.html

And then there can be viral arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000416.htm

Reactive arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000440.htm

It seems endless....other forms of arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001243.htm


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Chloe,

I am checking the box for autoimmune for this reactive/infectious arthritis.  I think I definately should be.  I question whether or not I should also check off the joint problem box.  Thinking that that box is referring to  osteoarthristis (bone-on-bone) kind of arthritis.

My chiropractor just calls it arthritis.  Dr. D.'s book describes my symptoms to a 'T' under Reactive/Infectious arthritis.  I have overall achy joints when I first get up in the morning if I've over indulged in sweets or carbs the day before.

Before BTD, GTD, and SWAMI I was a 'sugarholic'.  I daily have to guard against overindulgence, even of my beneficial and diamond sweetners.  Following a modified Mediterranian Diet is helping the most to control my sweet cravings by limiting my fruit and carb. intake.

I've tried many times to follow the 30 day diet plan in Cook Right 4 Your Type, but up until the last time I tried it (modifying it, of course, to fit my SWAMI), it doesn't seem to satisfy my hunger.  There is something to the Mediterranian Diet of consuming a protein with every meal and snack that really helps with me.  My delema (sp?) is now how to NOT exceed SWAMI's recommended weekly allowances of both dairy and animal/fish proteins.

I don't feel that I have fibromyalgia at all.  Just this one finger!  So thankful it's not more!  The pain goes away completely and I have full mobility (in making a tight fist) if I go even as little as 24 hours without anything more than diluted fruit juice.  This proves it is food caused.  But I am too thin to do the mono diet thing for 2-3 days then add one food per day to determine what is the cause.  And, besides, I know from SWAMI what foods are safe/good for me.  I'm not eating many Neutrals any more.  No, I know my symptoms are provoked by over eating within 24 hours carbs and/or sweetners.

My chiropractor put me on Standard Process supplements.  I've been on them for several years now with good results.  But since the beginning I questioned the 'Avoids' that are in them for me such as cow and pork parts.  I don't know if you are familiar with being muscle tested but it's where your body let's you know if a particular supplement is good for you or not and if it is good for you, it will alshanks.o indicate the daily dosage for each supplement.  I can't deny that they have and continue to improve my health BUT I will not be happy until I can transition over to Dr. D's btd supplements for my type.  My biggest concern is that whatever I take is WHOLE FOOD ONLY AND LOW TEMP OR COLD PROCESSED.  I think Dr. D.'s are made in that manner if I remember correctly.

Must finish this post later.  Thanks for listening.  




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Did you eliminate gluten?  Do you think you were gluten intolerant?  I was and still am and that was the cause of my leaky gut...  How about the white lines in your fingerprints?  Did you have them?
Most of my prints were flattened out severely from white lines/gluten..  I've been off gluten for 8 years.  Still haven't fully healed my gut due to taking abx....which set me back.  But while on
abx, I realized I had no aches and pains so possibly, I've got what you're describing.

Do you have issues with any specific foods?  Dairy?  Grains?  Trying to compare notes with you
and also I want to go back and read the Arthritis book Dr. D wrote.  Haven't read it in years.  You've made me rethink the source of my aches and pains.

Glad you posted and shared your info....I think your experience can help ME!  

MEDLINE on infectious arthritis....after reading it doesn't apply to me...no swelling...

http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/infectiousarthritis.html

And then there can be viral arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000416.htm

Reactive arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/000440.htm

It seems endless....other forms of arthritis
http://www.nlm.nih.gov/medlineplus/ency/article/001243.htm


Yes, at this time I definately am gluten intolerant.  Yes, white lines are still present although I just really got strict and on this no gluten since March.  Taking Standard Process Okra Pepsin E3 supplement to help heal leaky gut.  Dr. says that will take at least a year.

Hope you get to reread that arthritis book by Dr. D. and get to the bottom of your problems.  My white lines were never as much as you describe yours as being.  I just go by what my SWAMI says.  Looking for success in overcoming.

But my still unanswered question is, "Should I NOT or SHOULD I check the joint problem box when it clearly appears that mine is the autoimmune, soft tissue arthritis and not the bone on bone kind???  Being a non-secretor allows me tomatoes as a Neutral, if I don't check the joint box.  If I do check the joint box, tomatoes become an Avoid.  Tomatoes do NOT give me any problems or add to my pain. Don't want to eat them a lot.  Just occasionally.  All this over tomatoes!  


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I would try running SWAMI with "joint problems" checked, and run it again with that box unchecked, and then compare the resultant diet reports. See which one makes more intuitive sense to you.

Also remember that SWAMI is a complex computer program, but it's nowhere as complex as the human body. It doesn't account for food allergies, and I'm not sure if there's a place for Celiac Disease or gluten sensitivity. If you specifically have a problem with gluten-containing grains that SWAMI thinks are "beneficial" it may be as simple as gluten intolerance/celiac, and the solution might be to simply omit those few specific foods from your diet. SWAMI might not have been "wrong" about anything other than those few grains.


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the end of the word *itis* always points out to inflammatory issues, so far almost food can be the causa as parasites can be btw I'd go against the pains with a tens-gadget


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ruthiegirl, I think you are right.  (final paragraph)


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the end of the word *itis* always points out to inflammatory issues, so far almost food can be the causa as parasites can be btw I'd go against the pains with a tens-gadget


Correct.  Hence the 'leaky gut syndrome'.  Have been checked.  No parasites.

I'd love to laugh along with you on that last comment you made but I don't follow...


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I know you said you were on a few Standard Process formulas but from my experience some of them
contain animal organs plus gluten. I'm just wondering if any of these foreign proteins are causing
this "itis" in your body.. I'm careful not to take any supplements not formulated by Dr. D unless he gives them to
me himself.  There are a lot of hidden allergens in supplements that can seem innocuous until you
try to figure out the source of your ongoing symptoms.
I'm not even sure there are laws that protect people from gluten when the package says "gluten
free".  I remember years ago, the Sami's bakery in Tampa FL was putting gluten free on some
of their baked products, only to be exposed for the products containing traces of gluten.  They
obviously don't have a dedicated gluten free kitchen.

I think for a long time, I've been ingesting tiny amounts of foods that bothered me for reasons I
couldn't explain.

Right now, I'm really focusing on foods that are either organically grown, and in their whole food
state as much as possible.  Fresh fruits/veggies...proteins like fish/turkey...And often buying
sliced turkey in a supermarket is going to give me unknown ingredients likely to be causing
inflammation in my body.  Thing is, eating this one day, not the next, sometimes you just can't
figure out the offending food.  Restaurant eating makes it more difficult....Gluten free breads
are often filled with gums and stabilizers.  The most famous gluten free bakery products are
really filled with toxins.  Sometimes I just eat them because I'm away from home....but I'm quite
sure I'm paying the price for that choice.

When a person is responding with an auto immune reaction, I honestly believe there is something
hidden in the diet that is constantly irritating the gut.  I've spent a lot of time trying to eliminate
the obvious.....sometimes it's not so obvious what's going on.


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I know you said you were on a few Standard Process formulas but from my experience some of them
contain animal organs plus gluten. I'm just wondering if any of these foreign proteins are causing
this "itis" in your body.. I'm careful not to take any supplements not formulated by Dr. D unless he gives them to
me himself.


Thanks, Chloe.  I've suspected since I started them that they would not be 'the best' for me for the reasons you state.  Over the past 3 years, though, they have proved that definately help me.  I guess I figured the small amount that I am ingesting of the animal parts would easily be handled by my liver.  But you made me think.  I developed this infectious arthritis Nov. of 2011, about 1 1/2 years after starting Standard Process.      Who knows.

I'm going to begin to switch over to Dr. D's while still having my chiropractor muscle test me on the currant Standard Process products.  I look forward to the S.P. products being reduced and no longer needed.  Thanks for your concern.  You've really helped me begin this next part of my journey.  


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Thanks, Chloe.  I've suspected since I started them that they would not be 'the best' for me for the reasons you state.  Over the past 3 years, though, they have proved that definately help me.  I guess I figured the small amount that I am ingesting of the animal parts would easily be handled by my liver.  But you made me think.  I developed this infectious arthritis Nov. of 2011, about 1 1/2 years after starting Standard Process.      Who knows.

I'm going to begin to switch over to Dr. D's while still having my chiropractor muscle test me on the currant Standard Process products.  I look forward to the S.P. products being reduced and no longer needed.  Thanks for your concern.  You've really helped me begin this next part of my journey.  


You're welcome!  

Just as an example, if you check typebase for a food like beef heart for type A, this is what
it says

Secretory insufficiency. Induces dysbiosis. Increases polyamine or indican levels. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.

So if one organ from a cow can do this much damage, I feel all the other organ parts used in
SP formulas have the same potential for gut damage.

Any organ of a cow, something your type A gut (or mine) would not find complimentary, dysbosis is likely the point where you began having auto-immume problems as a leaky gut would allow aberrant animal proteins to be traveling through your compromised gut and flowing into your blood stream and causing inflammation.  Raising indican means your body has been holding onto bacteria.  It's not just your liver that has to get rid of these toxins....it's your kidneys which keeps filtering your blood and think how hard your kidneys have to work with a constant ingestion of
cow's organs.

I love Dr. D's formulas as they compliment all the diets......feel they're the only real safe option for people who have lingering health issues.

Hopefully whatever type of arthritis you have, you can heal your gut which will lead to healing of
the whole body!

Good luck...




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Just as an example, if you check typebase for a food like beef heart for type A, this is what
it says

Secretory insufficiency. Induces dysbiosis. Increases polyamine or indican levels. Inhibits proper gastric function or blocks assimilation.

So if one organ from a cow can do this much damage, I feel all the other organ parts used in
SP formulas have the same potential for gut damage.

Any organ of a cow, something your type A gut (or mine) would not find complimentary, dysbosis is likely the point where you began having auto-immume problems as a leaky gut would allow aberrant animal proteins to be traveling through your compromised gut and flowing into your blood stream and causing inflammation.  Raising indican means your body has been holding onto bacteria.  It's not just your liver that has to get rid of these toxins....it's your kidneys which keeps filtering your blood and think how hard your kidneys have to work with a constant ingestion of
cow's organs.

Hopefully whatever type of arthritis you have, you can heal your gut which will lead to healing of
the whole body!




Thanks for all the clarification of those terms.  I've gone to that site before and read those things but not sure what it all meant.

Dr. D.'s came today!  Starting tomorrow but I have a question... At the bottom of my SWAMI it recommends Activator/Teacher, Synergist/Teacher, Flaxseed Oil, and ARA6 (larch fiber).  Are these recommendations based on my SWAMI input, do you think?  It would be GREAT to only concentrate on those 4 for now.

When I got the package, the literature of all of Dr.'s supplements was included.  I read it and only saw the Flaxseed Oil product and the ARA6.  There was no listing under Type A for the Synergist and Activator.  Is that because it is based on GenoType and not to be included in his flyer on Blood Type?  I just need to have a little clarification.  Thank you.  


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Thanks for all the clarification of those terms.  I've gone to that site before and read those things but not sure what it all meant.

Dr. D.'s came today!  Starting tomorrow but I have a question... At the bottom of my SWAMI it recommends Activator/Teacher, Synergist/Teacher, Flaxseed Oil, and ARA6 (larch fiber).  Are these recommendations based on my SWAMI input, do you think?  It would be GREAT to only concentrate on those 4 for now.

When I got the package, the literature of all of Dr.'s supplements was included.  I read it and only saw the Flaxseed Oil product and the ARA6.  There was no listing under Type A for the Synergist and Activator.  Is that because it is based on GenoType and not to be included in his flyer on Blood Type?  I just need to have a little clarification.  Thank you.  


Yes, those are the supplements SWAMI recommends for you and based on the questions you
answered.....so 4 supplements are specific to you, not a general
recommendation for all Teachers.  And this is independent of blood type supplements which you
can either add or not add at this time.  The general blood type A multi/mineral/Deflect/Polyflora
are supplements you might or might not need.  You'd have to assess this by your age, your
health issues and whether you think you're eating high quality foods, enough beneficials and
feel well.  I take Polyflora A every day twice a day because I know I need it after I took an abx.
I would only take Deflect if I thought I was ingesting a toxin....and as far as vitamins and minerals
are concerned, every few days I take one or the other. Generally I think I eat well....

But if you have any specific health issues that you don't think SWAMI is addressing, then you could always go to the pull down menu and search health issues.   There are protocols for many
conditions and most protocols are short....a few weeks, a month at the most.  You'd do that and
then stop for awhile.  Repeat only if necessary.

I think the point is to take the fewest supplements you can and try to achieve good health through a compliant diet.

As general information....The blood type diet products are separate from the Genotype Diet products.  Most
people following the BTD would use just BTD supplements.  As for following the GTD, specific supplements were created as a trio package for each genotype.  Fine to just take GTD supplements....they are comprehensive enough...although there are general vitamins and minerals that all genotypes or blood types can take.

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Yes, those are the supplements SWAMI recommends for you and based on the questions you
answered.....so 4 supplements are specific to you, not a general
recommendation for all Teachers.  And this is independent of blood type supplements which you
can either add or not add at this time.  The general blood type A multi/mineral/Deflect/Polyflora
are supplements you might or might not need.  You'd have to assess this by your age, your
health issues and whether you think you're eating high quality foods, enough beneficials and
feel well.  I take Polyflora A every day twice a day because I know I need it after I took an abx.
I would only take Deflect if I thought I was ingesting a toxin....and as far as vitamins and minerals
are concerned, every few days I take one or the other. Generally I think I eat well....

But if you have any specific health issues that you don't think SWAMI is addressing, then you could always go to the pull down menu and search health issues.   There are protocols for many
conditions and most protocols are short....a few weeks, a month at the most.  You'd do that and
then stop for awhile.  Repeat only if necessary.

I think the point is to take the fewest supplements you can and try to achieve good health through a compliant diet.

As general information....The blood type diet products are separate from the Genotype Diet products.  Most
people following the BTD would use just BTD supplements.  As for following the GTD, specific supplements were created as a trio package for each genotype.  Fine to just take GTD supplements....they are comprehensive enough...although there are general vitamins and minerals that all genotypes or blood types can take.

Good luck


Thanks for this comprehensive answer, Chloe.  


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The supplements recommendations change based on the health information input in SWAMI.




You can also chose whether you want SWAMI to recommend a few supplements or a lot of supplements.

Supplement Recommendations:

You can also choose how Much explanation you want SWAMI to give about the supplements it recommends.

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