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weekender
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Hey there folks. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a definitive or not so definitive answer about rice vs rice milk.

Swami has me with rice as a superfood (not diamond) and rice milk as black dot.

If I use rice grain to make my own rice milk at home and don't add anything to it, and consume it the same day or next day - does that turn it into a black dot or will it be beneficial still? Or is it only if you buy rice milk from the store that has been sitting on the shelf for months and mixed in with other stuff - is that what makes it black dot?

I really want to find a milk that I can have that's beneficial or neutral, almond milk is neutral for me but I have a bad reaction to almonds. I sometimes make macadamia nut milk for myself (macadamias are beneficial) - but I am not confident knowing that macadamia nut milk is not specificially mentioned in swami. I don't like the idea of having rice milk every day if it's a black dot - and I'm happy to make my own rice milk if it's going to be better for me.

Hope this makes sense.....

Any one with any opinions, experience or ideas on this?
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i think it is more the avoids in the store bought rice milk that make rice milk a black dot... But depending on where Swami has calculated your aims/need, it could also be to do with the fact rice milk may be higher in carbs?!
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I can have everything to do with rice except rice milk, and it is a black dot. However, rice does not satisfy me at all. I don't seem to get any benefit from it whatsoever, and the worst part is that even small servings of it make me gain weight!!    On the other hand, I can have a half cup or so of rice milk in cereal (no avoids in it) now and then and feel perfectly fine and have never gained weight from drinking it. It is a puzzle that I don't worry about anymore.


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make rice milk out of your superfood rice......voila

add compliant sweetener ect and watch frequency values


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Quoted from Possum
i think it is more the avoids in the store bought rice milk that make rice milk a black dot... But depending on where Swami has calculated your aims/need, it could also be to do with the fact rice milk may be higher in carbs?!


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make rice milk out of your superfood rice......voila

add compliant sweetener ect and watch frequency values


I disagree with both of you. SWAMI values have nothing to do with additives in commercial products! My SWAMI says that almond milk is an avoid while rice milk is beneficial. Meanwhile, my daughter's SWAMI says that almond milk is neutral and rice milk is an avoid.

Clearly, the values have nothing to do with additives in commercial products. Anything with "avoid" additives is an "avoid" no matter what, even if the food is otherwise a "diamond" for you.

When you blend rice or almonds with water, then filter out the pulp, you're changing how your body uses the food. Some components are removed while others are concentrated. If you're removing "good for you" components, then the milk is less healthy for you than the whole food. If you're removing "toxic for you" components, then the milk is healthier for you than the whole food. It has nothing to do with how long it's sitting on the shelf in the health food store, and everything to do with how the food is processed in the first place.

What is it that you want the milk for? I like putting ghee into my "mocha mate" instead of adding some kind of milk.


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Quoted from weekender

Swami has me with rice as a superfood (not diamond) and rice milk as black dot.



SWAMI has determined that in the context of other beverages rice milk is a black dot for you.

There could be many reasons. One could be (as an example only) that compared to other items in the category, the glycemic index is too high.

The rating is not based on specific avoids found in commercial rice milk. You should assume the rating applies to all rice milks, although we do not know the source of the material used to determine the nutrient data used by the USDA in it's nutritional database.

Some members feel that making your own milks from otherwise beneficial foods is valid when the result would otherwise be a black-dot (or an avoid). This may be true in specific cases but is not, in my opinion, a good generalization. If you do choose to use rice milk in this case (and a black dot is not a prohibition in any case) then making your own should prove superior.
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I sometimes make macadamia nut milk for myself (macadamias are beneficial) - but I am not confident knowing that macadamia nut milk is not specifically mentioned in swami.

Well, I would go with the macadamia milk since it is not mentioned at all. There is something about a "milk" that even slightly resembles cow's milk that is appealing to a lot of people. I have had so many doors slammed in my face about milk substitutions that I could get very uncomfortable about it. At first, I could use soy yogurt as a sub. Then, dairy yogurt. Eventually, both became avoids. Of course, I can't use coconut, etc., etc..  

If the glycemic index has anything to do with making milk from rice, I can't understand why fruit juices are so numerous in my list. I would certainly rather eat an apple than drink a glass of apple juice any day! And that goes for any fruit. I have no idea why I see drinking fruit juice as a waste of a perfectly good whole fruit!!  



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I believe that it is the super concentration of rice lectins that makes rice milk a black dot.

Being that you are an O, black cherry juice should be your beverage of choice


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Quoted from weekender
Hey there folks. I'm wondering if anyone can tell me a definitive or not so definitive answer about rice vs rice milk.

Swami has me with rice as a superfood (not diamond) and rice milk as black dot.

If I use rice grain to make my own rice milk at home and don't add anything to it, and consume it the same day or next day - does that turn it into a black dot or will it be beneficial still? Or is it only if you buy rice milk from the store that has been sitting on the shelf for months and mixed in with other stuff - is that what makes it black dot?

I really want to find a milk that I can have that's beneficial or neutral, almond milk is neutral for me but I have a bad reaction to almonds. I sometimes make macadamia nut milk for myself (macadamias are beneficial) - but I am not confident knowing that macadamia nut milk is not specificially mentioned in swami. I don't like the idea of having rice milk every day if it's a black dot - and I'm happy to make my own rice milk if it's going to be better for me.

Hope this makes sense.....

Any one with any opinions, experience or ideas on this?

It looks like we need to hear from you as to how you intend to consume a milk.


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Maybe they just want to drink it...... Is this a loaded question?!  


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I have certain foods, etc., that switch back and forth so I wouldn't bet money on any version of these replies! I am very close to the edge of what some food values will be for me.

Update: I just ran my SWAMI and tomatoes jumped from black dot to superfood - again! I would be very happy if I could eat the things..... The strange thing about tomatoes is that my dad could not eat cooked tomatoes most of his life until he was nearly eighty years of age, and out of the blue he could eat them with no problem at all! Finally, he could enjoy dishes like spaghetti, etc.! Maybe SWAMI thinks it will keep offering tomatoes until I am old enough to eat them!


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I like to have rice porridge sometimes for breakfast, given that white rice is a diamond for me I want to try to have it a few mornings a week. But I feel like combining it with rice milk (black diamond) defeats the purpose of having a diamond food.
There is approx 1/16 cup of rice in 250ml of rice milk the way I make it so it's not really a lot of rice, but I guess it could possibly be a glycemic index thing? I will go for macadamia milk instead so that I can feel confident I'm doing "the right thing". Every now and then I will make a batch of rice milk and see how it goes as an occasional food.
Swami has me on cellular detox program for now, and only 3 serves a day of grains each day anyhow, so possibly not a bad idea to have a non grain based "milk".
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I asked what you were using the milk for, because I might be able to help you brainstorm "milk free" ways to prepare those foods. For example, I use ghee in hot beverages in place of milk or cream. I often use water or broth in place of milk in recipes.

I rarely put milk into hot cereal. You could stir in some nut butter to make it creamy, without bothering to strain out the nut solids to make it into a "milk." Perhaps use extra water if it seems too dry.


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I asked what you were using the milk for, because I might be able to help you brainstorm "milk free" ways to prepare those foods. For example, I use ghee in hot beverages in place of milk or cream. I often use water or broth in place of milk in recipes.

I rarely put milk into hot cereal. You could stir in some nut butter to make it creamy, without bothering to strain out the nut solids to make it into a "milk." Perhaps use extra water if it seems too dry.

I agree that thinking outside the milk "box" could be the way to go.



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It is really hard for me to understand why using soy and rice in a protein mix is good but making a yogurt from soy is bad or making milk from rice is bad. I wouldn't think twice about using 1/16 of a cup of rice to make a nice drink. After all it is in the protein drink too! Maybe we are inside the "box" already!


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Whole foods have different effects in the body than their component parts. When making soy or rice protein, parts of the plant are concentrated while others are filtered away. Whether this change makes the food healthier or less healthy for you depends on your individuality.


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A problem with me is that rice does nothing for me, period! And it is a superfood! This Explorer nonnie is just that! For better or worse!


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