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ProudVEGANWarrior
Monday, April 8, 2013, 8:33pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Whenever I post that I tried to add seafood to my diet - I get all kinds of support. When I say that it doesn't work for me - I get all kinds of critisms. I used a vegan diet to get off diabetic, blood pressure and thyriod meds. I also lost over 80 pounds and did not change my activity level. This last time I tried adding seafood - my weight jumped up as well as my blood sugar. I keep very close tabs on my health. I moniter myself very closely. I DO NOT want to go back on any medication. I now just have some additional weight to loose and wanted to try to boost the process. I know a vegan diet doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for me. I am an A+ noni warrior - we do best on a vegan diet. Even if I ate all my meat portions - one serving of turkey a week - not a diamond, three servings of seafood and 6 eggs - not a diamond - it really isn't that much in the big picture. I have so many wonderful vegetable protiens to choose from - three servings of seafood is not a big deal - which has bad effects on my health. I don't know why so many people feel I need more protien - no one has ever died from too little protien - except in third world countries where it is total lack of food - not just protien. I get plenty of vitamins  and minerals in my diet and through a raw multivitamin I take daily. Yes, I have enough B12. Other than needing to loose a few more pounds and lower my triglycerides a little more - went from 234 to 210 to 196  - needs to be below 150, I am healthy.  I am happy as vegan - I don't know why people on this page can be so negativ about it. I hope the big update comes out soon so I can plug in vegan and get proper vegetable protien seervings. I am very positive about my progress


Happy to be a Proud Vegan Warrior A+Nonnie  
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Lloyd
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SWAMI does not have an available preference for vegan.

Lacto-vegetarian and lacto-ovo are both available for A's.

You have to make your own choices. I don't think anyone was negative, they just express concern.
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kitari
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Most of the A's that post what they eat look pretty vegan to me.  It's easy to misinterpret the tone and intention of someone online.  All of us have to decide for ourselves what makes us feel better and it sounds like you are keeping a close watch on how your diet effects your health.
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Adam
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Keep up the good work, ProudVEGANWarrior.  
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I've noticed it, too, but I don't think that it's directed at you personally.  I sense that individuals who decide to alter their diets are not validated.  Instead it's assumed that the individual didn't follow portion sizes, or wasn't strict enough, or didn't enter the correct information into SWAMI in the first place, etc.

Peace


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Spring
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It took me a long time to get used to the idea that I didn't have to have a beef steak (avoid!) at least once a week! I adore calf liver (black dot)!

Now, though, I would be very tempted to eat beans, etc., every single day if my stomach had enough of the enzyme it needs to handle them. Haven't gotten there yet, though. I lose weight immediately when I have a big bowl of bean soup!

I am not planning to eat fish packaged in countries that I don't trust. Who knows what kind of fish it actually is anyway??? Besides the poisons.  


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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ProudVEGANwarrior, in the thread you're referring to there was only one reply to your decision to stop eating seafood that wasn't full-out positive, and one that actually said they were proud of you listening to your body.

So I don't really understand where you get the idea that you get "all kinds of criticism"?

As for myself, I'm all for people feeling good about what they eat and being as well informed as possible about what's good for them. If you feel best without seafood, then I'm happy you found out what works for you.


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I am reserving the right to eat what I chose, I reserve the right to eat avoids to some percentage, I reserve the right to have choices, even as I try many choices.  I have learned that a specific way of addressing my own life style this week, this month, is entirely my right to choose.  My hunger annoyances and body reactions make me chose my way of learning what works.

A's are not my way of eating, nor thinking, but for A's I still advise they learnabout what is suggested in BTD et all.  I suggest everyone learn about what this or that does or might do to their body.  

I know of some A's that eat meat..... if it works for them why not.  As long as we know the risk, or the suggestions an most foods, we are entitled to do as we chose.  It is one of the tenants of this diet and style of living.  This individualism is stressed in all writings, in Ifhi and in all the work done here.

What is most disheartening is when people get stubborn, adhering to what he or she thinks is the only way and often speak in absolutes. When friends become so opinionated that they chose to hurt my feelings, then they lose way more then a argument.  Respect for individuality is what this diet is all about. So long you do not make claims about differences being the 'fault' of the diet, and you take responsibility for your own style of living, then you are living what this diet is all about...  

Making this work for each oneof usis our own responsibility and right.  For all others just send them white light to surround them and walk away...it could even be that they do not even 'see' how they sound... There is a biblical phrase used at least once: Forgive them, for they do not know what they are doing... Life is way to short to want to 'hurt' anyone.   All the best for your diet style. Keep learning, keep track, and listen to your body!            


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Mother
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Animal protein raises my blood sugar as well. 20 years ago I did Atkins and did very well on it but I didn't eat a ton of protein, I just didn't eat carbs, especially sugar or any form of starch and very minimal fruit. So it was like one egg for breakfast, a salad with a little chicken for lunch and a salad, veggie and some fish for dinner. I did great for years except for the times I changed things to get 'healthier' I thought. A few times I added grains or potatos- BIG flop. Or when I started eating 'high protein'. Again, big flop. It wasn't until about a year ago that I realized protein in quantity raised my blood sugar. I eat about 2 oz 2 times a day in animal protein of some sort and lots of veggies and my sugars stay between 80-100. If I eat too much protein at one time, my BS goes higher. I feel very steady this way. My digestion is much better as well. The biggest problem now is maintaining enough weight. I'm fine now but certainly don't need to lose. About a year ago I read The Rosedale Diet which is low carb,( all veggies) moderate protein spread over 2 or 3 meals, about 45g (about 5 oz) for women and 60 for men and higher fat such as nuts/ seeds and healthy oils. This was my ticket to great blood sugar. I am an O so the fat works very well for me. Most recently I 've incorporated fasting and only eating in a 5 hour window. I used to snack all day long. Now I eat around 2 or 3 and 6 and for the 1st time in eons, I am not hungry. I could never go more than an hour or two without some food and now I could go all day, but I don't. I found eating breakfast made me ravenous. I think it's far more important to eat the foods that are beneicial and avoid the avoids then trying to eat foods that negatively effect any part of your health. So don't eat your fish, , or eat it in small portions if you want to. I could never eat the recommended portions but they are just a guide. For instance, depending on the setting I choose, I get between 4 and 12 ounces of protein. That's quite a spread. I get way too many carbs for my system and not enough fat. However, I do love to know which foods are good for me and which are not when I do chose to eat them


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Quoted from 2degreespisces
ProudVEGANwarrior, in the thread you're referring to there was only one reply to your decision to stop eating seafood that wasn't full-out positive, and one that actually said they were proud of you listening to your body.

Maybe she was referring to other threads besides the one you went over....


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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Quoted from Spring

Maybe she was referring to other threads besides the one you went over....


Could be, but I didn't find them in her recent posting history.

I did not mean my post as an attack, merely as food for thought as to what someone might consider to be criticism.


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commented on your other post.


"For you created my inmost being; you knit me together in my mother's womb. I praise you because I am fearfully and wonderfully made; your works are wonderful, I know that full well." Psalm 139:13,14
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We're all trying to figure out the best diets for ourselves. Putting on labels such as "vegan" or "no carb" isn't really helpful or necessary.

You've taken your SWAMI diet and tweaked it for more personalization. You've discovered that you do best on a nearly vegan diet- too much seafood doesn't work for you. SWAMI has determined that poultry and red meat don't work for you. I'm not sure why you're not having ghee or yogurt- did you try them and have bad results or did you choose not to try them?

IIRC, you didn't do well on a fully vegan diet long-term. Didn't you have some problems with low energy after a couple of months of vegan eating, that cleared up after a portion or two of diamond seafood? Perhaps for you personally, one serving of seafood per month is enough for optimal health. But your willingness to eat that serving of fish makes you "not vegan" by definition.

Also, I personally associate veganism with a certain set of beliefs and actions that ago beyond diet: not wearing leather, activism for animal rights, etc. I'm not sure if you personally subscribe to the whole "vegan philosophy" or if you simply fare best on a diet free of animal products. Some vegans I've met have been dedicated to the point of obsession, and I'm not convinced that their form of activism is necessarily the best thing for animals or the environment.

So, I don't have a particularly good view of vegans and veganism as a whole, though I'm perfectly comfortable preparing vegan foods for guests if necessary.  I prefer to just think about healthy foods for each individual, without putting on any extra labels.

You're an A Warrior who fares best on vegetable foods.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I was referring to several threads over time.  I started back in the early 90's with the Blood type diet, then found out my secretor statis, then went on to the genotype and finally to Swami. I didn't follow the diet the whole time - a lot f life happened in between - moving across country several times, had a baby, changed jobs - all of which added to my weight and bad health. Going vegan allowed me to come off diabetic, blood pressure and thyriod medication not to mention loose over 80 pounds. Over time I have posted my successes and pit falls. Anytime I tried to add something back - everyone seemed praise it - whenever I took something away - everyone seems to jump in how I should try this or that and that it could be something else. I know a vegan diet doesn't work for everyone, but it does work for me. I get plenty of protien from vegetables.My husband and daughter eat meat and I don't have a problem with that. I just know if I want to be healthy and happy I need to eat vegan. The comment I had made about the sushi was that - that particular day I was feeling tired and after eating the sushi I felt refreshed. We had been running errands all day and it is possible any food would have made  me feel refreshed at that point. It just seems to me - a page designed to be individualized to each person as Swami is, I would not get so many people commenting against veganism. I am not into labels. I am willing to try things - that is how I know seafood and eggs do not work for me. I do listen to my body and it took m a long time to be able to do it acturately. Since I check my blood sugar, blood pressure and weight regularly I know the difference in normal fluxuations and big changes. I don't push anyone else into eating vegan. I just know it works for me. No one is perfect, we all slip up on our compliance with what ever diet we follow. Someone asked about dairy - no, I don't - too much fat for me - even the vegan cheese is too high in fat - that is what makes it taste so good.


Happy to be a Proud Vegan Warrior A+Nonnie  
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keep up the good work!


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keep up the good work!




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I think a lot of people may be reacting to the term "vegan" and its political connotations, rather than the simple reality of you eating a diet free from animal foods.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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I think most of us have the intention to support what we think is working, i.e., you adding seafood. And we try to help when we think something isn't working.
The written word with out any voice tone or facial expression can sound more like critism but often is intended as constructive advice.
I think the majority of us want to see each other do well with this diet, and the intention is to offer constructive feedback and of course we tend to think what works for us will work for others

Sounds like you are doing a good job with figuring out what is right for you.
all the best, Lin


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
I think a lot of people may be reacting to the term "vegan" and its political connotations, rather than the simple reality of you eating a diet free from animal foods.


I understand that there are many nazi vegans out there that think everyone should be vegan and anyone who isn't is below them. I am not one of those vegan. If people ask me how I lost all the weight, I tell them. I of course gushesd to everyone when I came off my meds - but then again who wouldn't after a big success like that. For the most part I eat what I eat and let others eat what they eat. I admit to not being perfect - there are food traps everywhere - not matter what diet you follow - everyone slips up. It is a journey to good health - progress is my goal, not perfection. I know I can improve and make progress and I know I will never be perfect.  


Happy to be a Proud Vegan Warrior A+Nonnie  
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