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Seraffa
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Adam - I've been here awhile and I'm glad some people are getting specific with you on this topic at this forum. I tried to talk about this last year and didn't get very many results (like you got); just the same old stuff about the "portions listed".

Then, I bought a FoodMover from Richard Simmons about a month ago, and mentioned its changeable "calorie cards" that scale back the calories when you hit a certain level of having shed some weight, and still people said nothing about calories, as if it were taboo. But  I still think the same way about it as you do.  By the way I am 205 pounds.


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Wow, finally a kindred spirit.  Nice to meet you, runningyogagal.  

I am back into weight resistance training after a lay-off of about 7 years.  I feel better than I have in recent years.  I am doing my best to follow my SWAMI in addition to tracking macronutrients of everything I eat.  I have an Excel spreadsheet with everything that I eat broken down into protein, carbs, fats, and fiber.  I'm trying to eat fairly close to 40% protein, 40% carbs, and 20% fats, in addition to a reasonable amount of fiber per meal.  This has worked out for me in the past when I got back into weight training, and I'm seeing great results currently as well.

I've recently purchased Mark Rippetoe's Starting Strength and am slowly getting through that very dense and informative book.  He spends about 70 pages just analyzing and breaking down everything having to do with the Squat.  Probably the best book out there about the compound movements.  Also, using http://www.exrx.net as a guide to other weight training exercises.  Also, doing some stationary bike and occasionally doing HIIT on the bike, but really I like just using the bike for a warmup for weights.

Even my breakfast this morning shows how dedicated to the SWAMI and physical fitness I am at the moment.  Been a while since I've had fish for breakfast, but this morning I just couldn't resist.  Cooked up some Monkfish, Vegetables, and Rice with some nice spices and lemon juice and that was some good stuff after a workout.  Feel like I'm on Cloud 9 right now.  But, I was up on my feet doing everything involved from getting ready, going to the gym, working out, cooking, eating, getting ready for work, etc. and all that was from 4:30am to 8am.  So, this all takes some time and effort to pull off.

What's my other option?  Sitting around on my butt sipping green tea and eating a tiny bowl of oat bran or something?  Which is fine and all, not knocking it, but I feel like I'm really taking a bite out of life now, instead of just a nibble.

All the best to you, runningyogagal, stay on track and keep seeing those results.
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Quoted from grey rabbit
Resistance training is crucial for your health, don't skip it just because you don't want to go to a gym


This is the quote from this entire thread, and possibly the entire form in recent memory, that stuck with me the most.  Thank you, grey rabbit.
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Can I do something in between???? Admins? Anybody?


You rang?    

You can do whatever you want. The SWAMI offers a guide. If you want to set your intake between the suggestions of the two settings you can. What may be optimal for you is not something that anyone of us can say.
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You rang?    

You can do whatever you want. The SWAMI offers a guide. If you want to set your intake between the suggestions of the two settings you can. What may be optimal for you is not something that anyone of us can say.

Lloyd you are awesome!!! Thanks for the quick response {{ big huggs }}



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Nice to meet you too Adam

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I am back into weight resistance training after a lay-off of about 7 years.  I feel better than I have in recent years.  I am doing my best to follow my SWAMI in addition to tracking macronutrients of everything I eat.  I have an Excel spreadsheet with everything that I eat broken down into protein, carbs, fats, and fiber.  I'm trying to eat fairly close to 40% protein, 40% carbs, and 20% fats, in addition to a reasonable amount of fiber per meal.  This has worked out for me in the past when I got back into weight training, and I'm seeing great results currently as well.


I commend you for your dedication! You should definatly check out http://www.myfitnesspal.com if you haven't already. It tracks your calories, nutrients and marcos! Makes it a mindless task and saves tons of time. I think I will start a thread soon on here to find other members that ER4 their T that are members of myfitnesspal. My user name is runningyogagal on there too if you decide to create an account.

...going for a run now  


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Can I do something in between???? Admins? Anybody?


Of course. You can do whatever you want.

Since you are counting all the calories. you may want to adjust yourself.

If you want the software to do it for for you, select normal size/normal frequency and substantially cut back the setting used for the activity level.



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I'll just say it again, if you're super active, even 1600 seems very low.  But that's up to you to decide.  For me, if I dip under 2000 I'm losing.  And I don't even work out.  But everyone is different.  


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I'll just say it again, if you're super active, even 1600 seems very low.  But that's up to you to decide.  For me, if I dip under 2000 I'm losing.  And I don't even work out.  But everyone is different.  


Oh, I know what you're saying, and I remember your post.  I *was* losing weight, but not anymore.  But, now, actually, losing weight isn't my priority anymore.  Getting strong is.
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Nice to meet you too Adam



I commend you for your dedication! You should definatly check out http://www.myfitnesspal.com if you haven't already. It tracks your calories, nutrients and marcos! Makes it a mindless task and saves tons of time. I think I will start a thread soon on here to find other members that ER4 their T that are members of myfitnesspal. My user name is runningyogagal on there too if you decide to create an account.

...going for a run now  


Yep, myfitnesspal.  I was on http://www.reddit.com/r/Fitness/ a couple weeks ago and found a thread where someone was talking about it.  So, I joined, but only to find out the calorie recommendation, which is 2040.  But, today, I decided I'd start logging in my food.  It's pretty cool.  I was surprised to find Dr. D's Protein Powder for A's in there.  Looks like it accepts food entries from other users, so that's why it's in there.  Thanks for reminding me about it.
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Ok - this is so sad seeing everybody counting calories.  Please don't do it.  I am speaking from experience but any plan that cuts your calories is going to shut down your metabolism in the long run.  I have been there and even if you lose weight in the short term, your body will finally demand recompensation after months or even years of going on less calories.  I too am a bit wary of Swami recommending SUCH low calories.  I start to feel cold and unwell on anything less than 2K and actually feel much better on about 2500Kcals WHEN I LAST COUNTED once in a blue moon.  The fat recommendations are way too low.  I am finding that a lot more fat is necessary for me to feel well.  I know this is quite bold of me to say but I feel very strongly about this - you need to work with your metabolism not against it.  I am now finally losing some fat on much higher fat portions but still keeping most of the carbs.
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It's important to remember that we're all unique individuals. Not only do we all have slightly different nutritional needs, but we also have different mental approaches to food.

Counting calories does NOT work for many people. It's been so over-emphasizes with some other diet plans that many people associate calorie counting with stress and "dieting." The focus on Dr D's portions is more about "living healthy" than "dieting."

But, in the end, counting calories is just a tool. It's not inherently bad. It's way over-used and can cause harm in some cases. But some people do find it useful. It's not harmful when used intelligently.

It's important to eat enough food- but it's also important not to eat too much food. When I reduce my portions to fall in line with SWAMI's recommendations, I'm also reducing my caloric intake. I eat way more fat than SWAMI recommends, but I try to stick to SWAMI portions of fruit, added sugars, grains, and proteins (though I'm less strict about the proteins than the carby foods.)


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Hey guys, in my weight loss effort I had to use it all to get the right combo in order to start losing.

My fitness pal was good for me to see exactly how much food I was putting into my month. It has an excellent data base. I chose lower calorie foods in each of food categories.  
If you put exercise into my fitness it gives you so much more calories. Carob from veggie protein instead of almond butter.
I ate all Eat Right foods & servings. ( maybe a little more on servings-lots of compulsive food behaviors)

I have fibro, so my metabolism is knocked way down from my former self.

Guess that's why it took 6 months for weightloss to begin.

Looking at amount of carbs consuming was eye opening. Only allowed 2 fruits. One more made big difference.

Cholesterol was also issue. Egg whites instead.

I am just so excited.  Been a long journey. So for me it was all part of success. Calories (just for info), along with Dr Ds serving sizes.

Also, just started using protein powder.  I was eating deli turkey at first for more protein thinking on lower end of calorie count but a bit horrified at amount of cholestrol.


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The Gatherers and Teachers especially, may need to employ more control measures than some other Genotypes, as they seem to "hang onto everything"...

Some of us other Genotypes need to focus on how to maintain our weight / muscle mass at a high enough level to be healthy...  Again, it is all about individuality.  No one is right or wrong - just different.


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Great post ruthie.  

I'll second the oils/fats on my swami.  I think they are too low.  I've felt better the times I eat more.  

Anyways.......

Like you said, counting calories is just a tool.  It helped me, but that was opposite of what it's usually used for.


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Ok - this is so sad seeing everybody counting calories.  Please don't do it.  I am speaking from experience but any plan that cuts your calories is going to shut down your metabolism in the long run.  I have been there and even if you lose weight in the short term, your body will finally demand recompensation after months or even years of going on less calories.  I too am a bit wary of Swami recommending SUCH low calories.  I start to feel cold and unwell on anything less than 2K and actually feel much better on about 2500Kcals WHEN I LAST COUNTED once in a blue moon.  The fat recommendations are way too low.  I am finding that a lot more fat is necessary for me to feel well.  I know this is quite bold of me to say but I feel very strongly about this - you need to work with your metabolism not against it.  I am now finally losing some fat on much higher fat portions but still keeping most of the carbs.


Loops -- that is YOU and YOUR metabolism. It's better if you post your genotype along with your entry. What is your genotype? I'm not listening to anyone anymore who says "don't count calories." You tracked your progress up to a certain point, then you felt the need to stop tracking it and took off on your own. There's no point in denying other people here the opportunity to track what they are doing.


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It's important to remember that we're all unique individuals. Not only do we all have slightly different nutritional needs, but we also have different mental approaches to food.

Counting calories does NOT work for many people. It's been so over-emphasizes with some other diet plans that many people associate calorie counting with stress and "dieting." The focus on Dr D's portions is more about "living healthy" than "dieting."

But, in the end, counting calories is just a tool. It's not inherently bad. It's way over-used and can cause harm in some cases. But some people do find it useful. It's not harmful when used intelligently.

It's important to eat enough food- but it's also important not to eat too much food. When I reduce my portions to fall in line with SWAMI's recommendations, I'm also reducing my caloric intake. I eat way more fat than SWAMI recommends, but I try to stick to SWAMI portions of fruit, added sugars, grains, and proteins (though I'm less strict about the proteins than the carby foods.)


That's right, and I've eaten my recommended SWAMI portions, feel full, and the weight isn't coming off. SO - that means I track things, because I know I'm not a Gatherer with Gatherer-type issues. The next thing I try if it's fats is not going to be extra food-fats, it would be fish oil only as a supplement. And I'm not even going to count it on my FoodMover because it's going to be part of anti-inflammatory protocol. Some anti-inflammatories can ONLY be had in an oil form. If I added more food oil or nut butter, not a flipping thing would happen for me as far as losing weight, and I would have an oily collarband and greasy clothes as all of that stuff came out of my skin, which I do not as of now (what a blessed relief!) So, no more "counting calorie taboos" are tolerated at my house.


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One-half teaspoon of ghee four times a week?   I may as well just open the container and enjoy the aroma every now and then if that is all I could have!! I'm not even going to post how much ghee I eat every day!!   And I don't have overly oily skin, oily hair or any of that stuff. You must have really nice skin, Seraffa!


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Go for it, Seraffa!  I really admire your spirit of adventure on drawing back those calories.  After all this Mothers Day hoopla is over (eating out tomorrow), I'm tracking everything like a hawk.  I want to get strong with strength training, gain endurance with cardio, and shed the fat off my body.  We'll see what happens with overall weight loss.  It would be nice to at least drop some more weight.

I read an interesting thing recently about body fat... it is like draining a lake, the deepest parts drain last.  So, if you collect fat mostly around your belly, like I do, that is why it will be the last area you will shed fat from last.  Hence, no matter how hard I tried last time to get fit, which was the hardest effort of my life seven years ago, the last place to go was my belly.  Of course, I gave up and went back to unhealthy eating.  

Now that I have my own place, my own kitchen, my SWAMI, and more knowledge, there really are no excuses anymore, just outright laziness.  I seem to be stuck in a rut on my weight loss at the moment as my body adjusts to all the exercise, which is making me eat more, so I'm going to have to be careful.  But, I am getting around a lot better now, due to my bones and muscles getting stronger.  Once I get past all this long recovery between exercise sessions, I hope to get on a roll and really start seeing results.
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But, I am getting around a lot better now, due to my bones and muscles getting stronger.  Once I get past all this long recovery between exercise sessions, I hope to get on a roll and really start seeing results.

I would be a lot more excited about how wonderful you are going to feel after getting in "stride" with your exercise than losing weight. There is a whole nuther wonderful world waiting out there! I am over seventy, and I spent a good part of the afternoon cutting down maple tree limbs that were about fifteen feet over my head using an extension cutter. Pure work but exhilarating!! After I got finished with the maple I worked on five huge camellia bushes that were several feet taller than the eaves on our house. Only one of them is next to the house, thank goodness. I didn't clean up the mess, though! It will have to wait until next week. Getting in shape is worth every bit of effort. If I get too sore, I take boswellia two or three times a day and go back outside the next day and get right back to work!


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I hope I didn't come on too strong, but really, everyone has to do "whatever they can" to learn along the way. When we reach a new stage of growth, what's not needed to do anymore falls away, and we get a clearer understanding of ourselves as organisms.


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I never tracked calories and I never will.  I tracked compliance.  I still stand by what I said - in the short term restricting calories can work but the body knows how much food it needs and the long term results aren't so great once you start fighting against it.  A good diet shouldn't need you to restrict calories to be at a good weight if it is healthy.  That isn't just my opinion - there are some studies on this.  But of course - one must find his/her own way.  I know the frustration of not losing weight....not trying to be inflammatory with my posts so sorry if it came across that way.
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Seraffa I really hope you get some results soon btw .....
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I never tracked calories and I never will.  I tracked compliance.  I still stand by what I said - in the short term restricting calories can work but the body knows how much food it needs and the long term results aren't so great once you start fighting against it.  A good diet shouldn't need you to restrict calories to be at a good weight if it is healthy.  That isn't just my opinion - there are some studies on this.  But of course - one must find his/her own way.  I know the frustration of not losing weight....not trying to be inflammatory with my posts so sorry if it came across that way.


Please state exactly what you mean by "restricting" calories unecessarily because my FoodMover shows exactly how many calories even on a D'Adamo diet that the body needs to keep up my massive 205 pounds. Richard Simmons' Foodmover does NOT lower you into a smaller calorie level until the inflammatory adipose tissue starts coming off of your body, and you've DROPPED pounds - not the other way around. Mr. Simmons believes in the reality of weight being "hoarded" by the body whenever we are deprived of proper nutrition. And, looking at my D'Adamo recommended portions on my SWAMI - I'm right where I need to be as far as portions for the day maxing out at 1600 calories.


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