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Monday, January 14, 2013, 12:15am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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I'd definitely second what Ruthie suggested
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Rice would certainly be no effort at all for me to chunk. I manage to eat it every month or so, but that is it. I don't know what it is about me and rice! I do love my sweet potatoes, though. I eat them every single day. Sometimes white and sometimes red, but one or the other every day. And salads - I eat huge salads twice a day. I don't feel right if I don't eat lots of salads.

Loops, I hope you soon get this figured out before you wear yourself out trying. Sounds as if you are getting pretty close to that point, and I don't blame you a bit for getting disgusted!


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ok so I tried cutting carbs and this morning on the 5th day I have had enough - I am dizzy and hypoglycemic and generally feel terrible.  Also the little milk I had seems to be drying up after cutting the carbs.  I was eating plenty of fat to make up for the deficit.  So that isn't going to work.....

Basically here's what happened -

over a year ago started BTD for non secretor.  Went great.  Ate loads of fruit, meat, fat, veggies.  Lost about 3 kilos without trying.  Got pregnant and finally hung onto baby without miscarriage.  Got my Swami at about the same time.  Started eating a lot of rice and little meat as I had a terrible aversion to most all meats apart from stuff in sushi.   Had excellent pregnancy  - no major problems - went from 64 kilos to 75 which was excellent.  Gave birth.  Immediately started dropping weight.  Within 2 weeks I was 66 kilos.

Then out of the blue started gaining weight.  I had been eating the same as before - following Swami - not really portions as I can't stand feeling deprived but to appetite so not stuffing myself.

Gargh.
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If low carb was going to work for you, you'd  be feeling energized  by the 3rd or 4th day, though the first day or two can be rough.

It sounds to me like maybe you cut carbs too much? Maybe you'd do best eating lots of fat, and maybe half the carbs you ate before?

Actually, everything seems to point towards some kind of hormonal imbalance. I know there are several different kinds of thyroid tests, and one can show "normal" results when, in fact, there is a thyroid problem. Also, not all doctors interpret the results the same way- different countries may have different "normal ranges" -meaning a number that your doctor called "normal" may be considered "too low" or "too high" by another doctor working elsewhere. Do you know exactly what kind of thyroid test you have and what your exact numbers were?

Also, the thyroid is NOT the only organ that can be out of whack.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Then out of the blue started gaining weight.


Are you exercising?    Eating wheat?
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watch your olive oil portions too. I was way overdoing it with cooking etc and did not realize it.
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No I haven't eaten wheat in about 7 years.  Could people please read the whole thread before posting - I keep repeating that I do swimming and walking.  Not to be rude or anything but it gets a bit exasperating saying the same things over and over again.  Thanks.  I will have a look for my thyroid test results.  I don't have any symptoms of low thyroid though.  I know what they feel like.  I am really lost right now.  I don't know what to do or who to trust regarding diet anymore.  Most of all, I am desperate to stop this weight gain.  It is really freaking me out!
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see that is where I am not sure about this diet anymore.  Having to watch portions leads me right back to days of calorie restriction to maintain a vaguely normal weight.  I just can't do that anymore.  It is either the fat or the carbs.  Mixing both seems to result in eventual weight gain for me, even though at first it was great??  I mean - I was happier on low carb with loads of cream in tea and using butter and olive oil without restriction.  But eventually my casein allergy caught up with me and so I had to give up all dairy.  Then I really couldn't do low carb anymore as my energy and well being went downhill.  I was so happy to find that the BTD worked.  But now it doesn't - Swami seems to be even worse as well.  I wonder what is wrong with me.
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I think part of the problem with SWAMI was that too many of your superfoods were unavailable where you live, right? So you couldn't really "do SWAMI properly" which is why it didn't work well for you. You weren't able to eat mostly superfoods and diamonds, which is how to  get the best benefit from SWAMI.

Going super-low-carb isn't working for you postpartum. You might need some beans, grains, and/or fruit, but perhaps in lower quantities than you were eating before. I'd suggest keeping quantities unlimited on meats, veggies, nuts, and fats, but carefully incorporating a strict quantity of carbier foods (whether it's 1 piece of fruit and one small grain portion, or 4 pieces of fruit and no grains, or beans but no grains or fruit- it may take some trial and error to figure out what works best for you personally.) You need to figure out what the right balance is for your body right now. Clearly, your body's needs have shifted since having the baby and you can't do exactly what you did before.


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Even though you're physically incapable of producing adequate milk maybe the rest of your body doesn't recognize this and so is trying to improve the situation by holding onto every calorie and storing it as fat so you can produce more milk.  Maybe when you stop breastfeeding your body will level out and your weight will normalize.

Just a thought.
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have you had a pregnancy test since you had the baby?
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I just now saw this thread & don't have time to read all the entries. However, you are so recent from having a baby & you need to get enough rest & eat healthily to care for this wonderful new addition.
I wouldn't worry too much about portions or even avoids that don't upset you. [I also avoid dairy. It doesn't agree with me & there are good cal-mag supplements out there.]
If you are gaining weight like a normal mom does, don't panic. I also gained in pregnancy & lactation. They say one can lose weight with lactation, but many of us gain as our appetites get mixed up. Hehehehe!  Soon enough, you will be able to tackle the weight, but the first priority is basic health for you & the little one.
Best wishes!


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thanks.

No I'm not pregnant.  It could be my body thinks it is producing lots of milk - something strange is definitely going on.  Oh I had a horrible day yesterday and finally made some Swami soup and added a bit of brown rice.  Also had watermelon and pineapple juice.  Feel a lot better.  The dairy was awful.  The eczema on my hand flared up and I was having panic attacks.  Can't do low carb anymore.  And apparently I can't do dairy, although I keep trying.  I am worried I am readdicted to it again and will have to go through horrid withdrawals!  I hope not.

I will try to listen to what my body needs the next week.  Yes it is true - most of the diamonds on Swami I just can't get here.  I can get some of the superfoods but it will be a very boring unvaried diet!  I could get most of the beneficials of the BTD, but most of those are now neutrals.  I assume Swami is better for me overall - any opinions there?  All nuts are now avoids since the update, and dried plums are avoid, which are ubiquitous here.
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ok I think I can do a week eating ONLY from the superfoods side.  I can't do all diamonds  - it is actually impossible as I can't find pheasant, mutton or rabbit here which are diamonds.  Beef and turkey are doable here and easily found though not diamonds.  The fruits - again no diamonds but watermelon is in season and I have that is a superfood, plus lemons and limes.  I can do green tea with agave.  I was doing fried hake (rice flour, egg and fried in olive oil) as hake is a diamond but maybe all the rice four isn't so great although it was really nice.  A lot of the veggie diamonds I can find here so lots of those - most of them go well in soups like onions, garlic, carrots.  I do get lentils and some beans as superfoods but not sure if I should do those as they are quite carby.  But again, maybe it doesn't matter if I am eating all superfoods?  I am quite sick of trying to control macronutrients...but am also worried about gaining more weight.

Maybe it is out of my hands anyway right now.  I have to say that despite the weight gain I do feel quite good on the Swami diet.  I did get comments as well on how well I looked even though I was busting out of all my clothes!
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Anyway I will keep updated here - hopefully there will be some improvement soon.  I really want this to work.  It is evident to me now after trying to go back to low-carb with some avoids (like cream and goat cheese) that I feel better eating the foods Dr D'adamo recommends.  
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How old is the baby? Even though you're not making enough milk, the milk you do make is keeping him (her? I can't find a post where you mention the baby's gender) healthy. I doubt there's much health risk to you of keeping a little extra weight on you for a few months or years, but the milk can make a big difference in the baby's health. If this is something related to lactation hormones, then the weight should come off easily enough once lactation ends, no matter how long that is from now. This is certainly NOT a reason to wean early!

I also can't help but wonder if maybe you ended the pregnancy a little bit underweight (did you gain 20 pounds when your body really needed to gain 25 or 30?) and your body is compensating now, bringing you to a "healthy postpartum" weight.

I would NOT worry about the carbs in beneficial veggies or beans. See what happens when you eat those  freely, while also not limiting portions of oils, nuts, or meats. You suspect rice of being a problem, so cut out that specific food, making sure you still eat enough to feel full and energized.

And if you're really "busting out of your clothes" go buy some new ones. Or go to a thrift store and buy some old ones. When wearing clothes that fit and flatter you, you may feel better about yourself, no matter how you look naked. I know that always works for me.


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Maybe it is out of my hands anyway right now.  I have to say that despite the weight gain I do feel quite good on the Swami diet.  I did get comments as well on how well I looked even though I was busting out of all my clothes!


THIS is what this diet is all about..

The weight as you run around with a baby soon will come off.  Yes superfoods mentioned above are GREAT!  You will soon be less puffy and soon grow muscles if you work at using them..

I know it is frustrating.. but the way to get more exercise is to move all day,  not senseless running around, but choosing to put away one little clothing garment at a time running from livingroom to bedroom and back.. do that all day.. dusting one room every day, not leasurly but running with the baby on the front or back.. fun for both.. 10 minutes to start, and you will feel different.

Yes eating benficials and Diamonds is most natural once you get used to it..

Making baby food from scratch will be fun also as it requires shopping fresh every other day.. O's in my mind do not lose weight by eating less,,,,,,,, but by being active... !  Not senseless jogging, but doing things that get you standing up, moving arms and legs and stretching to pick up and putting down.. You will be grateful when you see your baby as the catalyst to get you moving .. and eating right will make you emotionally and physically strong .. able to deal with what life brings you.

I am struggling with weight every day.. I know how you feel.  BUT make peace with the fact that this diet is not for weightloss, but for the health of a good mom.

I am currently starting my breakfast with 3 oz meat and a bowl of vegetables.. I like it better than eggs, which I think are addictive to me, both in the incapability of eating just 1 egg instead of my daily 2.. and eating only 5 a week instead of every day..  

You are glowing.. that is a lot more then other moms can say about them selves!! Good for you!!


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Basically here's what happened -

over a year ago started BTD for non secretor.  Went great.  Ate loads of fruit, meat, fat, veggies.  Lost about 3 kilos without trying.  Got pregnant and finally hung onto baby without miscarriage.  Got my Swami at about the same time.  Started eating a lot of rice and little meat as I had a terrible aversion to most all meats apart from stuff in sushi.   Had excellent pregnancy  - no major problems - went from 64 kilos to 75 which was excellent.  Gave birth.  Immediately started dropping weight.  Within 2 weeks I was 66 kilos.

Gargh.


Loops, go back to BTD. That worked for you and you obviously felt better. Go back to what worked and as soon as you feel better again and at the proper weight you can try Swami again. Or not, Swami helped me tremendously with getting rid of my terrible monthly pains, but I am not losing any weight on it.  With BTD however I lost kilo after kilo. So I am going to go back to BTD as well, get rid of the weight and then switch back to Swami again. Swami for me helped me heal many things on a deeper cellular level, which is what I needed. Now that healing is done for a great part, I want to get the weight loss going again.




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I agree with SandrAruba, Swami helped with the food avoids but messed things up for me. The portions and frequencies didn't work and WAY too many carbs. Now I just keep it as simple as possible, 3 med salads a day with a variety of veg that I KNOW work for me,each topped with 2 oz of a variety of proteins, MOSTLY fish. It's romaine and spinach,celery, onion, artichoke, cilantro and other herbs, and a variety of oils. That's it. simple, period. Sometimes a small nut snack or romaine wrap as a snack. I dip broccoli in my olive oil flavored mayo too. Unfortunately, I had major insulin/BS issues with Swami. I'm glad I have it but use it mostly as an avoid guide. My salads are very well balanced. I need FAR less carbs, i get them all from green veggies, and I need more than 1T fat a day, more like 8 ( 2 on each salad and a little mayo). I don't gob it but I use it liberally. I eat small portions of red meat 2x a week. O's CAN get too much red meat, too much fat and too many carbs. What works for me is lots of green veggies, low to moderate protein and adequate fats, just enough to satisfy. Hope this helps and good luck. I know how impossible it is to find the right macronutrient ratios to sustain everything. (Swami made me gain too and there were many beneficial that didn't work for me)
BTD definately works but Swami not so much. I do love the food list though


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Also, I eat no dairy, no juice, no sugar, very little fruit if any, and very little nut and veg proteins. I eat 98% from the vegetables, proteins and fats. All of the recommended fats and proteins work and only about 1/3 of the vegetables. SIMPLE works for me but you have to find your fuel mix. Cutting carbs always causes fatigue and weird issues but only for about a week. Google low carb flu.


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Thanks.
Ralph is just turning 4 months old this week.  He is starting to refuse the breast though now.  I have had to supplement formula right from the beginning - what milk I did get didn't come in until day 16!  It was terrible.  But I kept on breastfeeding anyway and giving him formula afterwards up until now - when I have to pump when he won't feed.  It is something that has been very hard emotionally for me, especially in the beginning wondering what on earth was wrong with me.

I don't get any nuts now!  Since Swami got updated both almonds and walnuts are now avoids along with every other nut - no even black dots but outright avoids.  Tahini is neutral.

I think before I was eating the odd tomato as well - which are outright avoids for me.  Also a bit of chocolate which had a bit of sugar in it.  Not lots but maybe that was doing something bad.

I went and ate parmesan again last night.  Because I am addicted again!  Also the excuse that it is a diamond - I really didn't feel good afterwards.  My face went bright red and my fingers swelled up within the hour, after an initial 'high' were I felt really good.  I don't understand that one.  How can something be a diamond and me react so badly to it?  If it was neutral I could be more adamant in avoiding it but as I am allergic-addicted I will find any excuse to eat the stuff!
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Maybe you should just stick with BTD for now and ignore the SWAMI food lists. I'm concerned that you're not getting enough variety with SWAMI.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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I've reacted negatively to many beneficials and diamonds on SWAMI. They are now on my "personal avoid" list. I don't push any envelopes if I have a reaction at all. That suites me best. Again, SIMPLE, just eat what you KNOW works as long as it's not an avoid.


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I've reacted negatively to many beneficials and diamonds on SWAMI. They are now on my "personal avoid" list. I don't push any envelopes if I have a reaction at all. That suites me best. Again, SIMPLE, just eat what you KNOW works as long as it's not an avoid.

I'm the same way. There is no use in trying to eat a diamond food that makes a person hurt for three days, for instance. I will try things that have bothered me every now and then to see how it goes. Right now I would pay money to be able to eat lemon and grapefruit. But I have tried it over and over and over again for years, and it just not work for me!


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I look at it like this, anything that makes you gain weight or causes a reaction, it also causes fat accumulation and inflamation, neither which are healthy, no matter what macronutrients they may contain.


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