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Chloe
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Good luck Loops...  Please keep posting and share your progress.  Try to focus on your beneficials...
and maybe just watch your portions of fruit. Beef instead of pork...Pork is a toxin for all blood types.

http://www.dadamo.com/typebase4/depictor5.pl?43

"Loads" of any food group isn't the way to go....I think you can do this if you stick to the plan!  You
can always worry about SWAMI later on.....I know you'd feel better if you saw some results....and the O
diet plan generally works well for weight loss.  I know many O people who are thrilled with their outcome.....having followed the diet straight out of the book...

If you're interested in the Liver Support protocol....you might want to try it for a month....it will help
get your body in the right direction again...help you detox.

http://www.dadamo.com/protocols/19.html

Wishing you the best!!!
  


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I don't know what is meant by the Standard diet??

When I use this term, I mean eating foods without regard to the damaging components (lectins, etc.) for your type, that Dr. D. warns us about.


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oh ok I see...

thanks Chloe yes I will keep updated.  I already feel better today eating mostly beneficials.  I will give it awhile before hoping for any weight loss too.
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are you into any type of exercise?


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I say eat enough veg, ie greens mostly; excercise helps.  Good carbs from vegetables, a little fruit first thing in morning.  Good quality lean proteins, but we do need fats too for hormones to work well and for general health.  Olive oil...... ghee.......regular routine and meals at same time every day. rest too. also, have some plums, passionfruit, paw paw, berries.
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yes I did say I do swimming and walking.  I used to play tennis but can't schedule a training session due to breastfeeding - needing to be there all the time.
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You mentioned you had a reaction to eating cheese - maybe you are lactose intolerant - if you try checking that  box - it is time locked - so you have to call to have it changed - they will do it - I thougth I was lactose intolerant - then found out - it wasn't the cheese causing the probem - anyway they are more than  happy to help you. That may change quite a bit of your swami - the change made huge differences for me. I was so happy when I found out I wasn't lacose intolerant because the warrior diet fits me to a T - while I wasn't happy being an explorer - little things can make all the difference. Just an idea - hope it helps


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As for me, the cheese issue was the source of the cheese -- cow's cheese....Pasteurized cheese from non grass fed animals gave me major problems...Raw cheese from pasture fed sheep doesn't bother me.


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Not so sure that losing weight while breast feeding is great idea.

The body releases toxins from the cells when we lose weight.


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You say that you're not losing weight on SWAMI, and also that you're hungry all the time. Maybe you should try to increase your fat servings and see if that leaves you more satisfied- perhaps that will allow you to decrease grains and fruits and lose the weight. Also, bear in mind that you'll need more calories if you're still making breastmilk, and SWAMI won't account for that.

I find that I personally need a lot more fat than SWAMI recommends. I aim to follow the portion sizes for protein, fruit, sweeteners, and grains, but I don't worry if I  go over on veggies (even starchy veggies)  and I basically ignore the fat portions completely. I've tried to follow that 100%, and felt weak and hungry after about 2 days. It clearly wasn't enough food for me.

If I had the SWAMI Xpress, I'd play around with the portion settings, but since I have SWAMI pro, I can't  fiddle with anything myself. I'll get my SWAMI updated if I have a change in medical condition (such as entering menopause) but not to play around with the settings. I tweak the portion sizes as needed, although I am strict about the food lists.

Loops- I'd suggest that you keep up with the SWAMI food lists, eliminating any foods (such as dairy) that you do poorly on. Stop limiting added fats- don't worry about portion sizes at all while nursing except to make sure you're eating enough of each food group. The only exception is grains right now- try cutting way back on rice portions, along with increasing fats and proteins, and see how that works for you. If you do well on fruit, eat plenty of that too.


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thanks.

I am actually casein intolerant, not lactose intolerant.  I had a test done for that awhile back via Enterolab - they test your fecal matter!  It is supposed to be quite reliable.  It is not clear if it is just cow casein I am intolerant to, or goat and sheep as well.  Anyway Swami doesn't have an option for casein intolerance...so it is a mystery as to how I interpret that.

I can safely say though that after eating dairy for a bit, I have to go through the most horrendous withdrawal coming off it.  We are talking crying spells, irritability, fatigue, boils, the works.  This week I am feeling terrible having once more ditched the stuff and sticking to O nonnie BTD foods.

Well so I am giving this a week longer without dairy, and really going back to the original BTD beneficials which worked for me before (and which now are mostly neutrals according to Swami) - stuff like bananas, walnuts, plums, lots of red meat, olive oil, broccoli etc.  We will see what happens.  It is not so much losing weight right now as STOPPING THE GAIN!   I am not breastfeeding much anyway - I never had much of a supply to start with despite doing everything right and now my baby is beginning to refuse the breast as well.  I am pumping what I can which is very little.  Having IGT means I don't have enough milk making glands so I produce hardly any milk.  So gaining weight on top of that is very depressing.

If this doesn't work for me then I suppose I will go back to high fat low carb with limited dairy that doesn't effect me too much like cream, butter and goat cheese.  But rice is definitely out for me right now.  Which is a shame but what can you do?
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Loops, I'm curious about something, and if this is true for you then this might be the reason for the weight. Were you a full term baby but a low birth weight when you were born?
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OK, IGT is one of the few reasons that women truly can't produce enough milk, and the usual tricks (nursing more, pumping after feedings, etc) won't have any effect. If the milk  glands aren't there, they're not there. Eating more won't make you make more milk either. What kind of formula did you end up selecting?

My guess would be that the amount of milk you're making isn't  having a significant impact on your calorie expenditures. Its' not like you're fully nursing twins and need an extra thousand calories a day.

Clearly, something is "out of balance" with you right now, but I'm not sure exactly what or how to fix it. Going much lower on carbs will probably help a lot, but it may not be enough on its own. You may want to look into supplements if your weight doesn't stabilize after a week or so.


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yes I think I was a very average weight when born.  I will ask my mother.

Well the scale is still edging upwards.  Yesterday I felt was too much fruit but I seem to be hungry when not doing low carb.  I will give it until the week is up but it is looking like back to high fat low carb for me, at least at present.  Something really weird has happened to me post partum.  I mean everything was going great on higher carbs for over a year, even during pregnancy.  Now I feel like I am just hoarding fat for no reason whatsoever.

So here in Chile there isn't much choice of formula  - we are giving him S-26 by Wyeth which is cow milk based.  It is VERY expensive - but the cow milk alternatives (soy, which my guess is also going to be bad for him as he is O neg like me) are even more expensive!  Formula is so expensive here, but I have no choice alas.  I was totally gutted to find out I make very little milk.  Now I am learning to be content with the little I produce and try to focus on the fact that I do have a gorgeous baby, even if he does cry a lot sometimes!  I think he has a small problem with the formula - not massive.  No eczema but he does vomit quite a bit and is moody.  He is gaining weight though and is very long so he is going to be a big lad one day.  I am going to try to wean him early to get off the formula as quickly as possible - will probably start at 5 months.  He is a feisty little fellow though - has a really strong kick!

I do feel like I need to eat quite a lot of fat right now.  It is interesting because during pregnancy I went totally off meat and was basically eating fruit, rice and eggs.  Now afterwards, I seem to be tired and craving fat, and dairy - especially cheese, which is why I was eating the parmesan.  However I do think I do better with the raw goat cheese we get here locally.  Might have to do with the fact that it is raw and from goats?  To be fair Swami lists sheep cheese (which alas I can't find here) as diamond, and there is no mention of goat cheese, only feta, which is avoid.  I don't like feta anyway.  Interestingly sour cream is a black dot.  Quark cheese is neutral - the goat cheese is a bit like quark maybe?  I mean it is basically homemade cheese most of the time here.  Everybody with a goat makes the stuff.
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You need to do the best you can with locally available ingredients. You may not be able to be 100% compliant to SWAMI (or one of the books) if many of the superfoods are unavailable to you. It's a shame you don't have access to a human milk bank or hypo-allergenic formula. But it sounds like you do have access to raw goat milk? You might want to research homemade formula using goat milk as a base. Even if your'e not comfortable giving him that now, it might be a better choice than the cow milk formula when he's a little bit older.

Why give it to the end of the week when what you're doing obviously isn't working for you? Why not add some fat to your diet today and see if you start feeling  better?


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Loops,  animals that graze in pastures produce a high amount of CLA in their milk.  It has less to
do with whether the final product is raw or pasteurized and more to do with grass fed animals that have not been fed a grain diet.  Products from animals fed grain give us more omega 6 in our diets
than we'd want.

You could take CLA as a supplement...It helps to burn fat.  If you can't get high CLA dairy products,
from animals that grazed in grass, consider taking the supplement.

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=GT2%2D5SYN

If I were you and choosing to eat a little more fat, I'd make sure these fats were chosen from my beneficial food list.


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so all the animals here are grass fed - apart from the goats of course, which feed on the landscape around here (not much grass this far North) - lots of herbs and whatever they find.  But the cows and so the beef and cow cheese all comes from the South has a great fatty acid profile.  I am not worried about that at all.  I am happy eating butter too - doesn't affect me.  I seem to do best eating more animal fat than stuff like olive oil although I still use it.

I can't actually get hold of raw goats milk per se where I am - but I can get the cheese.  My son is ok with the formula so I am going to leave it at that - he is definitely thriving anyway on a combination of breast milk and formula.  I can start to wean him at 5 months anyway.
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If you are just getting off of a vegetarian diet I wouldn't worry so much. You might gain some muscle, go through a brief water retention, and even out. Get exercise, eat. Worry less about dairy because it wouldn't even be that big of a deal if you didn't eat it.
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Pregnancy can trigger all kinds of wonky things with our bodies. Some people are lucky and bounce right back to normal afterwards, and some aren't so lucky lol
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please remember one thing...the more you're goving your body signs of famine...the most quickly it get's adapted... and os it means low calories...so far your body regulates itself to *low calories* and will store and store and store...this is the typical jo-jo-effect... but while eating the right things for explorers ... I know from what I'm talkin about... ... the easier it becomes...why... coz it's true..we can't deal that well with carbs at all... so far rice is a good option,
even quinoa but then cut off all starchy things...even become aware about fruitsugars and what time you're going to eat em.... our Zauberword means...yummy aminoacids... as I once wrote lately about MAP...what an amazing product...beautiful replacement for all kinds of non-desired foods ...and nearly no problems for your body to cope with it coz neither kidneys nor liver will be burden... ...you fill up your depots (btw it only can last about 2-3 hours) and then no muscle mass loosings nor jo-jo-effect!!!

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ok so first off, I am not coming off of a vegetarian diet - no way!  I eat loads of meat.  Secondly, I am not restricting calories.  I never have.  Bad idea - doesn't ever do one any favours in the long run.  So I am still gaining.  Blah.  I am really fed up.  Not only do I not make nearly enough milk, but my body has decided I am not fat enough either.  Right now I am officially overweight - something I actually have never been in my life, apart from a brief spate when I was younger.  My belly seems to be getting fatter and fatter, and no I am not pregnant again - that would have to be the immaculate conception lol.  The worst thing is I eat really healthily - absolutely no cheating at all.  None of the bad foods.  Fruit, meat, veg, olive oil, bit of rice.  How depressing is that???
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ok so first off, I am not coming off of a vegetarian diet - no way!  I eat loads of meat.  Secondly, I am not restricting calories.  I never have.  Bad idea - doesn't ever do one any favours in the long run.  So I am still gaining.  Blah.  I am really fed up.  Not only do I not make nearly enough milk, but my body has decided I am not fat enough either.  Right now I am officially overweight - something I actually have never been in my life, apart from a brief spate when I was younger.  My belly seems to be getting fatter and fatter, and no I am not pregnant again - that would have to be the immaculate conception lol.  The worst thing is I eat really healthily - absolutely no cheating at all.  None of the bad foods.  Fruit, meat, veg, olive oil, bit of rice.  How depressing is that??


Loops...I am so sorry to hear that you're still gaining and not stabilizing or losing.....It sounds
SOOOoooo frustrating just to read your words!

I'm thinking an O blood type or a forum moderator might be able to help you more if they could see what you've been eating...(sorry, but my entire family is blood type A so I feel inadequate giving you advice...).

Maybe if you could share an average day of your foods....

Again....so sorry for your struggles!!



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Maybe if you could share an average day of your foods....


I agree - this could really help us in fine-tuning our advice to you.    



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I'd suggest cutting the carbs. Lower your portions of fruits and replace with extra veggies. Cut out the rice for a while (with the plan to re-incorporate it, in small portions, once your weight is stable.)


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah (in Israel for the school year), 17yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack


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