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luvmyzoe
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Dear Loops,

First of all, I am NOT a doctor.  But I have experience. And I have read the entire thread.

I have had two childre, who are now 15 and 13.  I also had trouble making enough breastmilk at the time and had to supplement. I nursed the first child for 5 months and supplemented with soy milk.  (Fast forward to now, good thing she is A+!) With my son I only breastfed him about 6 weeks, and supplemented with soy mild and formula.  ( He is also type A+, as I am)

After each pregnancy, I asked for my thyroid to be checked because I had so much trouble losing weight.  Each time, the doctor said I was normal.  What I didn't know at the time was that most docs only check "TSH", which is the Thyroid Stimulating Hormone, which just checks to see if your thyroid is producing.  I finally went to an anti-aging doctor who checked my T3, T4 and Reverse T3.  THIS IS VERY IMPORTANT!!!  You need to find a doc who will check all these, along with your estrogen, progesterone and testosterone.  To make a long story short, the anti-aging doctor put me on Armour thyroid (natural thyroid) , estrogen, testosterone and anti-depressants.  The weight then came off fairly easily.  Granted, I was going to the gym also, but I was going to the gym prior to getting on these hormones and dieting, to no avail.

Depression is not something to be ashamed of.  It is a physiological disorder, having to do with seratonin.  Either your body does not make enought seratonin, or you do not have enough receptors in the brain.  Interestingly, thyroid ineffeciently can mimic depression symptoms.  In any event, anit-depressants do not have to be taken forever.  I took them for a few years, and haven't been on them for the last 4 years.  I am now on all bio-identical hormones including progesterone.  You may now be estrogen dominant, which will cause fat storage and also your cortisol cycle could be out of whack.  There is a simple saliva test that you can do to test that.

To sum it up, keep changing doctors until you find one that listens to you and is current with all the latest research.  And enjoy your little bundle of love!!  They DO grow up so fast!

Please let me know about your progress.
Grace
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Pretty much all females over 35 are estrogen dominant, you don't need lab work to determine whether you are or not.  Adding progesterone may help, as well as reducing stress.  Estrogen is very stressful and aging; it lowers metabolism and causes hypothyroid:
http://raypeat.com/articles/aging/aging-estrogen-progesterone.shtml
http://raypeat.com/articles/articles/estrogen-age-stress.shtml

I would ditch the grains also.  Starches are fattening.
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ok hello once again my friends!  A new update....
So due to my dairy addiction and withdrawal I went back to high fat low carbs AGAIN....this happens to me around day 5 of no dairy I suddenly start making all kinds of excuses to go back on it.  However this time something terrible happened - I really couldn't sleep - awful insomnia.  You would think I would have learned my lesson but no.  And with a baby this is not good.  And not being ketoadapted this is really bad - no energy etc.  I don't know why but I just can't seem to trust the BTD anymore after gaining weight.  But I do feel better on it.  So I really have to get my head around leaving my weight at the moment - accepting myself as I am because otherwise I am bouncing around from one plan to the next and making myself ill.  And trusting that this way of eating is the best one for me.  I guess I need some encouragment really.

I now have the thyroid supplement so am taking that.  I am also battling an ambien dependency although last night I finally slept without it after eating more carbs and taking a load of calcium and magnesium and various herbs.  I am now feeling better again but I really have to get through the 2 weeks casein withdrawal before I stop wanting to eat dairy again.  The ambien - well I had been prescribed 5mg a long time ago and just take it for emergencies but recently what with my low carbing efforts I was having to resort to it again and again...Ralph luckily sleeps through the night!!

Interesting about the hormones - I had been taking shatavari and goats rue and more milk tea for awhile for increasing breast milk - would this increase estrogen I wonder?  I am still pumping milk - I think I will stop soon though - maybe my weight will drop then.

I will try to find a doctor who will test thyroid properly.  Thanks.
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Sahara, those are two great links...thanks for sharing

Loops, sorry you're struggling again....the dairy addiction is something I've experienced for years
and I had no option but to avoid it totally when I was typed as a Teacher (who ironically gets
a lot of cheese), until I found manchego cheese for some odd reason doesn't set me up for dairy addiction.

I think the ONLY solution is not having the dairy in the house....Just do not buy what you can't
eat.  Buy what you can eat and make sure you're one meal ahead of yourself.  Although I've eaten
breakfast and calculated in my head that I ate a large amount of food, what I'm mentally preparing
for in my head is what I'll eat for lunch.  Not enough fiber for breakfast, so I'm already thinking
beans/bean soup....vegetables....and knowing all of these foods will fill me up....Also thinking
ahead is my nuts.....and so I take a little cup and measure them out....getting them ready for
when I need to eat a snack.  Remembering to drink enough fluid....have tea if I think I'm hungry,
because usually I'm thirsty and don't get the signal when I know I haven't had much fluid in hours.
I just pour myself a big pitcher of water in the morning....let it sit out and remind myself to drink
it up before the day is over.

You might want to try melatonin instead of ambien....I sleep well and take it 30 minutes before bed.
It takes trying a few different mg to see how much you need. I need 9 or 10 mg.  My husband only
needs 6 mg.

You might want to just post your meals, one at a time on this thread until you get a handle on
self control. It doesn't take will power as much as it takes planning ahead and feeling gratified for
getting from point A to point B.  That's the way I do it....going from meal to meal....It's not like
I'm thinking about food all day but it's one of the necessities of having food ready when you need
to eat.  And with a baby, I'm quite sure you can't focus very much on yourself when someone else
needs so much of your precious time.  While nursing a baby can be a relaxation time for you,
in all reality, unless someone else is helping you prepare food for yourself, I can see how easy it
would be to grab whatever is available when you feel the need to eat.

Start over again....just feel accountable for one day at a time....And try to get through one meal
at a time by thinking about your next meal while you're still on breakfast.  Think out your snacks
and your liquid....and try to feel the sense that you're planning ahead. I'm generally not a planner
as I like spontaneity, but part of taking good care of yourself and feeding yourself right is being
prepared.

Next time you go food shopping, do not buy foods you know will tempt you...I often freeze foods
I shouldn't eat....Most of my manchego cheese is frozen in little bite size pieces....Only a day's
worth is defrosted and ready to eat.

Sometimes you have to be your own policewoman....for your own good!   Keep a food diary....
give yourself little smile-y faces when you've done a good job.

Just wipe the slate clean and start anew...  

Don't let too much time go by without letting people on the forum know you need support.  WIshing you the best of luck


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Pretty much all females over 35 are estrogen dominant, you don't need lab work to determine whether you are or not.  Adding progesterone may help, as well as reducing stress.  Estrogen is very stressful and aging; it lowers metabolism and causes hypothyroid:

I would ditch the grains also.  Starches are fattening.


Not all of us. Some of us have too much progesterone, and adding in progesterone cream will only make things worse. I don't suggest playing around with hormones without the supervision of a healthcare professional, or doing a whole lot of research on your symptoms.

Loops, I'm sorry you're still struggling.


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  12yo B+ Jack



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hey all....

feeling very discouraged again.  Am gaining weight again.  Am sticking to my swami like glue.  I also don't feel very good and I think it is the cheese messing with me.  I should definitely not give in to my cheese cravings.  I really thought I'd found the way to eat that would be the answer with BTD and Swami but right now I am wondering what to try next as this just isn't working for me.  So sad really - plus casein withdrawal is now kicking my behind!

Thanks for all the encouragement.  I hope I can find a way to be healthy and lose weight.
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feeling very discouraged again.  Am gaining weight again..


Hi, do you exercise?  
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yes I do swimming, walking and intense tennis training (exercising to the max heartrate during this with a lot of sprinting - not the usual casual game).  Excercise though no matter how intense has never really affected my weight I must say - I do it because I like it.
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dearest 1/4 of mine (..the A2 makes it ...)Loops... as mentioned in my reply 12th of Jan.13... would still implement L'tyrosine as a mood enhancer, no lentils at all, and stop + - all kinds of  milk products...

all the best ... please pm me ...


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thanks amazone will do!
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just keep trying Loops, it gets better and once you do actually stop all dairy it actually easy.

take you time and slowly start winning some battles, then you will evidentially win the war oxo


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Loops, even though my bloodtype/genotype *should* be able to eat certain kinds of dairy, I have had to face the fact that (at least at this time) it isn't for me.  I still eat ghee everyday, which I think has made it possible to make this transition without suffering.  
As much as I love freshly made yogurt and delicious cheeses, I don't eat them anymore - kissed them goodbye nearly a year ago.  And for me, that was very much the right decision.  



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wow, so what does a type B eat then???  The usual meat and veg I suppose....
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My red meat is lean, young lamb.  There is also turkey.  I eat wild salmon or sardines, cod or halibut nearly every day also.  There are lots of beautiful fresh vegetables, (steamed, baked, stir-fried) also sweet starchy veggies, such as sweet potatoes.  Many type B's eat grains every day and there are a number without gluten.
And nuts, such as walnuts, pecans and almonds; flax and chia seeds, pumpkin seeds, delicious almond butter.

Fruit is a food group where I really stick with Superfood/Diamond (Beneficial and Superbeneficial).  Well, actually I stick to those categories across the board, but fruit for some people can trigger cravings - not so much with the highest category.

Ghee is a great balancer and satisfies many invisible cravings.



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Loops, even though my bloodtype/genotype *should* be able to eat certain kinds of dairy, I have had to face the fact that (at least at this time) it isn't for me.  I still eat ghee everyday, which I think has made it possible to make this transition without suffering.  
As much as I love freshly made yogurt and delicious cheeses, I don't eat them anymore - kissed them goodbye nearly a year ago.  And for me, that was very much the right decision.  

I have some cheese on my diet, too, but I only eat it about once every two months! Cottage cheese without all the crazy additives works for me about once or twice a week at the most. I adore yogurt, but I can't have it either.


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wow, so what does a type B eat then???  The usual meat and veg I suppose....


You must be having an intolerance to something that you added to the diet. It can show up as bloat or weight gain. Go through your diet and see what you've added that you never had before to do an elmination process to see what's causing the intolerance.  Dr. D can't tell a person's personal allergies or intolerances if you don't go to him as a patient, so you'd have to become your own dectective, and that's where the diet gets tricky sometimes.  Some people need to be followed up with him.
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thanks yes I really can't have cheese - I have actually been diagnosed with a casein intolerance before from Enterolab - I just thought that maybe with the rest of the diet in place I might be able to tolerate a diamond cheese that is recommended to eat 6 times a week.  I should have been more careful!  At the end of the day it is my responsability.  I am still gaining weight....back to low carb for me for the time being I think.  I really need to get this excess off before I try to get pregnant again.
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Been on BTD for year and a half. Then started swami in Dec. have CFID/FM so my metabolism is extremely low. Most people when on this diet lose weight. Not me. I am a compulsive overeaters. Have been going to a small group of overeaters anonymous for emotional & behavioral support. Have first done one compliant meal at a time. So was able to not overeat on serving sizes first. Got to having 6 feedings a day with protein at each feeding. Then cut down & stayed within serving times recommendations. It has memento very tiny steps. Inch by inch, mm by mm. Extremely slow. Follow swami recommendations to a T. Exercise like DrD recommends. Since December it's been like 1/2  pound a month. Progress extremely slow. But kept at it. Had to choose low calorie foods due to metabolic syndrome. So egg whites instead if whole eggs. Carob instead of almond butter. Have been moving in the right direction. Recording weight every two weeks.
I am telling you that you can do this Loops. If I did it. I thought hopeless. But got support from OA & read these forums & facebook contantly immersing myself. It can be done. Scale can go down. Body does plateau, then would slowly figure out what item to change next. This item would take weeks for me to pinpoint then eliminate. Trial & error. Also with help from my Higher Power because cannot do alone. So don't give up. Scientifically approached it, using Dr Ds suggestions. One food item at a time. Good luck & good weightloss wishes. Small shifts. .  
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good job donna!


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Donna.. job well done..

I am not as compulsive as I might be, but I have little control.. when I see food..

I have learned to use Extra light olive OIL away from any food for one hour , to take away my need for snaking, giving me much more control..but it has to be a daily commitment! 2-3 times a day.

I would combine all you know about BTD, and try tablespoon of extra light olive oil IN BETWEEN.. away from food connections for 60 minutes on either side.. and see how you might do..

The oil is in your Swami or GTD .. just the method of taking it is different.(not BTD). It can not be food 'thought' connected.

Drinking more water might also help.. wash the oil down with water..


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Loops- have you been evaluated for thyroid problems? You've had this problem since your baby was born, and pregnancy often messes up hormones. I honestly think that if diet alone could solve this problem, you would have solved it  by now. You've tweaked your diet enough times already; you probably need some kind of supplement or even a medication to get your body back on track.


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yeah thyroid came back normal.  I do have PCOS though.  Well - not the insulin problems when last tested but I still have ovaries full of cysts and I have struggled with my weight FOREVER it seems.  I lose weight on Atkins induction no dairy but it makes me feel terrible and my carb cravings never go away...even after months.  Which is why I left doing low carb in the first place and at first BTD was working for me really well.  I feel like I am destined just to be overweight.  I found the Swami and BTD easily doable but I just seem to gain weight.  Maybe I can't have the grains either.  I most certainly can manage without them - even though rice is a superfood.

I wonder how about sticking to the diamond and superfood fruits and beans, and forgetting about the dairy and grains - would that work?  I can't really restrict calories - that lands me in an awful mess.  I don't tend to overeat anyway unless it is grains plus fat added (egg fried rice comes to mind - I loved that when I was pregnant!).  I stopped doing that when I first started gaining weight.

The thing is also...and apologies for ranting here....my mood really goes downhill on low carb after awhile.  My mood is really good on Swami and BTD but I can't stand this weight gain any longer.

If I could just lose even a bit I would be encouraged.  Right now I just don't know what to believe anymore.  The thing is that Dr D was so right with all my avoid foods.  I even have a list I made when I was low carbing of all the foods that didn't agree with me on low carb and they went like this:

coffee
coconut milk
cheese
pork (sausages the worst)
peanuts

so you can imagine when I stumbled on BTD I was taken aback by his recommendations for me.  So I trusted that I could eat stuff like bananas and not gain a ton of weight.  

Anyways....
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What KIND of thyroid test did you have? I know there are several kinds, and with one particular type, false positives are very common. It's also fairly common for doctors to misread the lab results- you fall into an arbitrary "normal range" even if there actually is a problem.

In other words, you're showing a million symptoms of thyroid problems and I'm not convinced that your doctor has ruled it out completely. And if it's not thyroid, it might be another kind of hormonal imbalance. Can you see a hormone specialist?


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I suppose I can try.  I have really lost my faith in doctors here - they never seem to be able to diagnose me properly (hello Explorer traits).  They will just tell me everything is fine.
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Loops, I know what you mean exactly about low carbs & mood. I am that way too.  So I have to avoid that feeling. Like being deprived. So my weight loss extremely slow. Throwing my hands up in the air. Journaling helped me be clinical  Frustrating. But I do think it is wise to examine all options. Medical as well as supplements. At times I would have been happy with one ounce loss a month.
l just wanted to have a consistent weight loss. Didn't care how slow, just as long as was moving in right direction. I don't deprive myself. But have to stick to two fruits & two grain servings a day because of all issues. If i dont get enough nutrtion i feel very fatigued. Metabolic, sugars, IBS, age cholesterol. Use all resources.

Goldie, I have read & watched your posts with your weightloss efforts and am very glad for your progress.
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