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Hello -

so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs, I found myself attempting to breastfeed (which hasn't worked out as I have hypoplastic breasts but I still give the little milk I have) and gaining weight...and the weight gain hasn't stopped.  I am now 3 and half months post partum and still gaining weight, I am very depressed about this.

I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.  I was even thinking of going back to low carb high fat to stop the weight gain - but I know I wasn't happy long term doing that plan, and it involved a lot of stuff like cream which isn't even on my Swami list.

Please help!

Thanks

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I did the same thing after my pregnancy - but wasn't exactly following any diet. I am a Warrior so to start loosing weigth I ate a lot more of the live foods - fruits and veggies - mostly veggies - that really helped me and then I went vegan - animal protiens are mostly an avoid for me anyways - except fish - at the time I was concerned about mercury and contamination from the nuclear waste from the tsunami in Japan - so I didn't want to eat fish at all. It really made a huge difference. I lost about 80 pounds, came off my diabetic meds and blood pressure meds ( for the diabetes - my doctor was worried about my kidneys). The only meds I am on now is for my thyriod, which I hope to come off at the end of this month - fingers crossed. Being an O nonnie, I don't know if this will work for you, you may want to try the other direction and eat mostly grass fed, free range protien. If you are eating white rice - you may want to switch to brown or basmati. I am not as familiar with the O diet - as I am an A nonnie - warrior.  I would stick with the swami - it is more customized to you. Have you updated your profile with your new weight? When I update with my losses it does tweek the diet and I had some major changes when I was no longer diabetic. I hope this helps at least a little bit  


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Hello -

so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs, I found myself attempting to breastfeed (which hasn't worked out as I have hypoplastic breasts but I still give the little milk I have) and gaining weight...and the weight gain hasn't stopped.  I am now 3 and half months post partum and still gaining weight, I am very depressed about this.

I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.  I was even thinking of going back to low carb high fat to stop the weight gain - but I know I wasn't happy long term doing that plan, and it involved a lot of stuff like cream which isn't even on my Swami list.

Please help!

Thanks

Loops


This is my personal opinion but just for right now, I'd go back to the diet that worked for you....to stop the weight gain and hopefully precipitate weight loss.  If the BTD for O worked, try it for the next week...see if you drop any weight. If so, I'm thinking the grains are the problem and not something that helps you with weight loss.... and you might do better on the O diet than your SWAMI.  

After a week, you can see if you're doing better or not.  Are you getting any exercise?  Drinking
enough water?

Did you get more fat on the O diet than you SWAMI?  You might be someone who does better
on higher fat, higher protein than higher carbs like rice.  I'm not an O but if I ate rice every
day, I could easily gain weight.  My Warrior husband doesn't gain weight on brown rice...I don't
do very well on grains at all.  Maybe you don't either.

BTW, what is your genotype?




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I am very upset as I am following my Swami and still gaining  - in fact after an initial drop in weight I am almost back to my 9 month pregnant weight!  Please can somebody help me and explain why this might be happening?  I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?  I wasn't eating as much rice back then - but Swami has it as a superfood with 3 servings a day so I was following that.  I am starting to lose faith in this Swami now.

A few ideas to ponder:

First, the limited fat may be because it is expecting you to get most of your fats from meat and fish.

The frequencies in SWAMI are guidelines, but you can vary it to try to be healthier...  There may be that amount of carbohydrate in your diet to allow for the exercise recommendation, but if you aren't as active, then you need to cut back some...

Are you eating any black dot foods?  If so, you may need to cut these out to get back to your goal...


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Get your thyroid checked.


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so I am an explorer.  The genotype explorer diet is terrible as I can hardly find any of the foods here in Chile.  The Swami was a bit better, but yes, I was eating more rice and beans as they are supposed to be superfoods for me.  I guess I was eating more things like nuts and butter and as always lots of fruit on the O diet and was a bit wary of rice as I was just coming off of a low carb paleo diet which I hated by the way - not enough carbs for me to function properly long term.  Before that I was doing low carb high fat with loads of dairy and that was not good either - actually it worked really great for 2 years and then I started gaining weight, so shifted to paleo, then found the blood type diet and thought that sounded much better with more carbs!

So maybe I will go back to doing BTD without the rice or any grains (rice was the only one I was eating).  I was eating both brown and white rice as both were superfoods.  I was eating sweet potato on the btd and that wasn't a problem, so maybe it isn't carbs per se.  I don't think I can do low carb anymore, at least not without dairy.  It really messed up my metabolism after awhile.  But I am tired of gaining weight POST partum when everybody told me I would lose!  Fat chance!
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yes my thyroid checked out fine.
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How much rice do you eat at a time? If you are doing the 1/2 cup uncooked, switch to 1/4 uncooked and consider 2 meals a day with it sometimes 3.

Here is the big question though, are you exercising hard like you want to go to the Olympics? If you aren't drenching yourself in sweat, you aren't doing your O self right.

Pregnancy is bound to load your system up with some toxins, sweat em out.
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Rice does me in every time... And if I'm not getting exercise I cant lose either!! Hope it is just 2 simple things & you get back on track
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Portion size for carbohydrates may be very small in SWAMI (often it is the equivalent of a single slice of bread).

If SWAMI is giving you too much/too little food adjust it:

Category Portion Size and Frequency:


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I am also finding it hard to be satisfied on the portions given in my Swami - especially regarding fats - I mean, one measly tablespoon a day??!!!  

Should I just go back to the BTD?


On the blood type diet, O nonsecretors are only allowed 3-5 tablespoons of oil per week.

(This may be different when lactating, I do not have the baby book)




Since some studies indicate that arachidonic acid and other fats are important for proper brain development in infants. I would probably include more than 3-5 tablespoons per week of oils rich in Omega-6 fatty acids in the diet while nursing. But that is me and not in the blood type books that I have (but as I said above I do not have the baby book).


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so after great success doing the BTD, then getting pregnant, then doing Swami plus pregnancy and having a great pregnancy, only gaining about 20 odd lbs


If you did your measurements while pregnant, it might be a good idea to check them when not.



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I did my measurements before I was pregnant.  I am definitely an explorer.

Well I just ate some parmesan cheese which is a diamond for me and yup, still reacting to dairy and not in a good fashion.  I am afraid I am going back to what works - btd with no restrictions on fat or fruit.  I am totally against calorie restriction of any sort - I firmly believe that is the worst thing one can do for long term health- I was under the impression that one should eat to satisfaction of beneficial foods.  

I am exercising but not loads - I do have a new baby to look after.  I have to say the more advice I see, it seems to go along the lines of exercise more and eat less....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???
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I have to say the more advice I see, it seems to go along the lines of exercise more and eat less....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???

The biggest help from this lifestyle information is to eliminate the toxins for your specific body.  There is always a certain amount of discipline involved in eating and exercising the proper amounts, however, to maintain a healthy body.  

It is possible that your body is going through significant changes (hormonal and otherwise) as it transitions from Standard diet to BTD to SWAMI as well as non-pregnant to pregnant to nursing...  
I don't know that any of us has the perfect answer, as most are other dieters just trying to provide the best help we can...


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....so...is this really just another calorie-restricted diet in disguise???


I would say you are crazy if you believe that. But I would give credit that any of the diet plans don't speak towards abnormal amounts of calories.

Lowering carbohydrates doesn't mean having way lower calories. You could still eat enough protein to compensate and beyond, calorie wise. But what you are doing is lower blood sugar levels a little bit to get the body back onto better control, better insulin reception, and burn a little fat.



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Loops...doesn't the BTD for O list portions?  I don't remember that diet having unlimited amounts of
fat or fruit....but I suggest you follow Csharp's advice and adjust your portions of grains on your
SWAMI and see if that works for you...

I agree that you're still probably dealing with toxicity and old lectin damage...I know personally I
couldn't tolerate any diamond cheeses when I began my SWAMI.  It's taken me a very long while
to tolerate soy without negative reactions...(aches and pains) and no longer do I get a stuffy nose
and bloat from eating manchego cheese.

SWAMI is not a calorie diet per say...although I'm pretty sure SWAMI computes a specific amount of calories it gives you based on your size and what it believes it would take to achieve weight loss.  Without enough exercise after giving birth, your metabolic rate is going to stay sluggish.
Moving helps to circulate lymph....and the lymphatics have no pump of their own...gotta move
those legs....which eventually will help your body dump toxicity.  I use a rebounder...bouncing..
a few minutes at a time....good for lymphatic circulation....easy to enjoy moving, with a simple
exercise you can do right at home...even with a baby....

If you're hungry, eat as many vegetables as your SWAMI gives you...and try to get your blood
sugar under control...Often eating more fiber helps me feel full....beans, root vegetables....
berries....There are ways to eat a lot of food without going hungry....without feeling deprived...

Study every food group on your SWAMI....sometimes the addition of seeds like flax.....if you're allowed flax... I always add them to baked goods and baking with almond flour instead of grain flour gives me the sense that I'm eating like a completely normal person without ever feeling deprived.  I know you're busy with a new baby...but the recipe section of this website has loads of recipes... and SWAMI should give you a menu plan as well.



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There are a lot of us (of different blood types and genotypes) who gain weight on grains.  This is one example which shows that just because your SWAMI calls something a Diamond or a Superfood, that doesn't mean it's telling you that you have to eat it.  

I know I need plenty of good quality carbs that are compliant with my diet, but I prefer to get most of them from vegetable sources.  I'm not completely grain-free, but I eat only a small serving daily.  It seems to be working very well in my case.



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thanks.

I don't know what is meant by the Standard diet??  I am English and live in Chile.  I have never eaten badly - no junk food etc but I most certainly have battled with weight and eating problems in my past.  I haven't eaten gluten in about 7 years!  I was low carb gluten free for years before coming here - no corn or other grains etc so I  really am not dealing with lectin damage.  I was dairy free for another couple of years whilst doing low carb - low as in no fruit or sweet potato or rice etc.  I found originally that trying to restrict calories made me gain weight in the long term, and led to feeling like c**p.  When I first went low carb high fat I ate as much as I wanted and got my metabolism right back - but I was eating a lot of heavy cream and cheese.  The cheese got me in the end - cream doesn't seem to cause me problems.

Recently I was thinking of going back to a low carb high fat diet - but with breastfeeding I don't want to risk losing the little milk I have - as I would have to readapt to burning fat instead of sugar and there is an initial period where the body is not good at doing this and breastmilk might suffer.

So still unsure what to do.  It seems the blood type diet worked well, and so did Swami for a bit, but now it just doesn't, and I keep gaining weight.  I am exercising doing swimming and long walks on the beach with my baby - I don't think that is really a problem.  For me it always comes down to diet - what am I eating that is causing the problem.  Is it still all about carbs in the end?  I had thought not when I first came to the BTD and was losing weight eating a lot of fruit (and meat/veg/fat).  Maybe it is just all down to hormones and is all out of my control, which is pretty depressing.
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I first went low carb high fat I ate as much as I wanted and got my metabolism right back - but I was eating a lot of heavy cream and cheese.  The cheese got me in the end - cream doesn't seem to cause me problems..


My son is an O and a Hunter I believe. He never did well on cow dairy. I raised him on soy milk and then switched him to almond milk because Dr. D said O's do better on almond milk then soy.
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Not sure what BTD book you have available but in LR there are portion and frequency recommendations for all food groups.  And the only thing that is completely unlimited is beneficial vegetables.  Everything else has portion and frequency recommendations, including beneficial fruit.  There isn generally a range and where in the range you are varies for everybody.  But in general the portion and frequency guidelines give you an excellent starting point.  If you're looking to return to BTD and to tweak things look at these portion and frequency guidelines.  
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see that is what I don't get - so I am allowed 3 portions of fruit a day, practically no added fat, small amounts of meat and loads of veggies....that is a VERY low calorie diet.  I am just not doing that.  If a diet is good, you shouldn't have to control portions - portion control is just another name for calorie restriction.  Calorie restriction is not healthy.  Full stop.  So I guess I don't believe in a diet that depends on portion control to be healthy.  My body knows how many calories it needs - going against that just leads to more weight gain.

Thanks for trying to help anyway.
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see that is what I don't get - so I am allowed 3 portions of fruit a day, practically no added fat, small amounts of meat and loads of veggies....that is a VERY low calorie diet.  I am just not doing that.  If a diet is good, you shouldn't have to control portions - portion control is just another name for calorie restriction.  Calorie restriction is not healthy.  Full stop.  So I guess I don't believe in a diet that depends on portion control to be healthy.  My body knows how many calories it needs - going against that just leads to more weight gain.

Thanks for trying to help anyway.


Loops, read about the role of insulin....and try to understand why it would be unrealistic for an
overweight person to eat unlimited portions of carbohydrates...Your meat and vegetables would not
be as much of an issue, portion-wise as much as unlimited portions of fruits and grains.

Blood type O wasn't designed to process unlimited carbs..You want to try and avoid diabetes...
not overwork your pancreas with unlimited sugars.

Calories aren't the issue....sugars/carbs, insulin production is!

http://diabetes.webmd.com/guide/diabetes-causes





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ever thought of resetting and clearing your insulin receptors by means of periodical liver cleanses??

those helped me enormously when I found myself stuck in a never budging plateau


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im not post partum by any means but was gaining weight, my hormones were very out of whack,  as im getting them back into balance i  am dropping weight easily. so it may just be the flucuations of your hormones.also exercise is important , no matter what program your doing but as a new mom i understand you arent able to exercise all the time. just listen to your body. i  have read lots of posts on here about swami, some of them talking about how they arent doing well with it, i personally am not getting a swami due to all the posts on this forum about the confusion that they hae with it. and by the way, the comment about if your not sweating your but off your not exercising enough is not correct. some of us do not sweat hardly at all no nmatter what we do. didnt mean to rattle on, hope this helps
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so yes the whole point about insulin I thought was that beneficial fruits actually help to regulate it despite the sugars.  Wheat really screws up insulin - that I understand.  And why was I dropping weight before eating loads of fruit, and now gaining - that is what is really odd.

I really think dairy screws me up.  I am so bloated today after eating parmesan yesterday and I ache all over.  That is usual for me and dairy these days.  Pineapple and watermelon never bloat me up!  I think I will definitely just try to follow a very basic O diet with beneficial fruits and vegetables along with all my meats and fish and see what happens.  No grains for now.  I don't think I can go back to full on low carb anymore - I get very tired on it and burn out fast.  Plus I didn't lose weight and was actually gaining in the end - this I actually put down to too little carbs and too much stuff like pork.  I still want to believe the blood type diet is the answer - it was before so why shouldn't it be again.  But my Swami - well right now it is just not working out at all.
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