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BCgal
Saturday, December 22, 2012, 1:02am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Has anyone else had a hard time accepting what SWAMIXpress  labeled them as?  For the last couple of years it told me I was a Gatherer.  No problem with that as that's what I figured I was.  It finally made sense to me how hubby and I could both be O's and yet be so different.  Him being a Hunter and me a Gatherer fit so right.  When I reran my SWAMI in Sept. it now has me as a Hunter.  I'm really having a hard time getting my head around this because Gatherer fits me so well.  It changed alot of my food around and upped my portions, which I don't need as I'm still trying to loose more weight.

  Just wondered if anyone else had a similar situation and how things worked out for them.




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Mine has changed a few times - but I am happiest as a warrior - a vegan warrior - which is what my current label is. I have also been a teacher and explorer. Warrior is where I belong. My advice would be try it and see how it fits, also go back and check that you didn't accidentaly change something you didn't mean too. At one point I thought I was lactose intolerant - but it was something else upsetting my stomache. Let your body speak to you  


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Saturday, December 22, 2012, 1:19am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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why not email swami support and detail all the input you changed when rerunning swami?
swamixpress@northamericanpharmacal.com
you ll not be going around in circles this way and you ll be given a targeted opinion

we are all swami users here and have little say on the algorithms and variables implied in the software


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SWAMI changing someones genotype is not uncommon. I'm a pretty even mixture of Warrior and Teacher with some Explorer characteristics (slow liver acetylation). My SWAMI first labeled me as a 40% Warrior, but I hadn't initially done the Meyer's Briggs personality test. After entering my MB personality assessment as an ISF-J, when I reran my SWAMI with the updated information at labeled me a 38% Teacher. Warrior seemed to fit me well due to my height, egghead, jawline, and a few other parameters. Apparently though, the various personality parameters, the RH negative status, and my overgrowth/immune problems solidly pointed to Teacher. Some parameters are stronger indicators than others.

So bottom line, I can honestly say I'm a mutt by genotype standards! Don't fret about it. Just go with it!


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Try not to get too locked up with the labels. Books are forced to create categories. Software can synthesize infinite variations. If you compare what SWAMI gives as a specific instance of a Teacher diet with the Teacher diet in the GTD book, you will see there is a lot of individual variation. This is especially true of the Explorer. SWAMI is much less hung up of hard categorizations.


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Dianne
Saturday, December 22, 2012, 2:58pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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So true. I try to encourage friends who type as Explorers to get SWAMI. The SWAMI Explorer food lists are plentiful but not the GTD book. I typed as Gatherer and then SWAMI put me as Explorer.
My initial reaction to being "SWAMIED" as an Explorer was that I almost burst into tears until I reasoned with myself to look at what SWAMI would give me as opposed to the book....and, I was absolutely delighted...no need to go hunting for quail eggs ()!  
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YES the LABEL for me is all I need, as it forgives me my eating wishfulness, my lack of discipline, my cravings, my big belly..  

IF I got a new label I would totally fall apart..  

But I understand that Swami without labels might be interesting..

BUT Dr. D.. (if you return) I was told by the office staff that the %tige numbers have no meaning.. so I pay no attention.. I am 42 % Gatherer... what would be the other 48%?  I guess a mix of all the others?   Such as just enough of a %tige from (moms B) so that I can have some heavy cream and not double over...  but gain weight?  

Maybe I should start drinking milk again to feel awful   when I did, I was skinny (younger too and miserably in pain )   but would I stop eating??

Its almost worth a try.. it's been 35 years since I discovered that K factor in milk is bad for me.


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prunella
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Funny how powerful language or"naming" can be. I have adopted my Explorer identity. I was just not able to live up to my former Hunter self.

Really it's the food list that matters.  I'd much rather hunt for kefalotyri cheese than exercise like a Hunter.  




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Quoted from Goldie
Maybe I should start drinking milk again to feel awful   when I did, I was skinny (younger too and miserably in pain )   but would I stop eating??

You'd probably get the pain without the weight loss - at least until you totally messed up the gut so you weren't absorbing adequate nutrients...


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The percentages are the worst thing for SWAMI. I think maybe the worst thing since talking about potential reasons for blood type development throughout history in the first book. Neither are inaccurate, or wrong, etc, but they are too easy to be confused.

Hunters and Gatherers are relatively impossible to confuse physically.
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BCgal
Saturday, December 22, 2012, 11:35pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Thank you everyone for your input.  I really appreciate it.

I get it about the label thing.  By the book I figured I was a Gatherer and SWAMI said I was a Gatherer for 2 years.  But I guess I can't understand what it was that all of a sudden changed me.  Also that my husband as a SWAMIed Hunter has the metabolism of a Hunter and I have the metabolism of a Gatherer.  Our food lists are similar in some ways and different in others.  I have more health issues that he does, plus I'm a Nonnie.  I still want to loose about 20 more lbs. and yet my portions have been increased from when SWAMI said I was a Gatherer, and I'm supposed to eat more than him, who has no weight issues, and if he does he just cuts out sugar for a couple of weeks and bang, he's lost 10 lbs. For me it's a constant battle to maintain weight, let alone lose it.

  I was feeling so great for a long time and the weight came off relatively easy for me during that time. (80 lbs.)  It was great to feel that things were finally working for me. I went off track for about 6 weeks, and gained 15 lbs back.  Even though I've been back to being very compliant, nothing is budging.

Now I'm dealing with liver congestion and excess cortisol, which has thrown me back to the long years I had of feeling lousy and no energy.  Don't know what I did or didn't do to cause this.  Especially since I've been so very compliant. I'm working on both those issues and hoping it's not going to take too long to get them under control.  Hoping the weight loss will kick back in when things are working properly again.

Sorry for venting everyone.  I know my issues are minor compared to some of you, and for that I apologize for my trivial concerns.

On a lighter note: I was watching a movie yesterday where a couple was offered some sugary dessert at the dinner table and the man said "No thanks, we eat Right for our Blood Type and sugar compromises our immune system."  



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ProudWarrior
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If you had a sudden chance in health - check for hidden ingredients in the food you eat. Companies change formulas and something that may not have had wheat or something else in it orginally may now contain it. I have become a label reading expert You also may want to check for other names for things that are avoids.  You may be eating avoids and not realize it because it is labeled as something else. Just trying to help


Happy to be a Proud Vegan Warrior A+Nonnie  
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Patty H
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BCgal, I am a SWAMIED Hunter.  I bought a SWAMI and ran it on my own and had a strong Hunter percentage.  Then I went to see Dr. Nash.  She was sure I was an Explorer but my SWAMI Pro came out Hunter again.  I have a lot more information and tried to input it into my SWAMI Xpress and it still came out Hunter.  I think Dr. Nash's instincts were right and I should be an Explorer, given the fact that I am a slow acetylator and am toxic in lead and mercury, I have an extremely rare blood antigen and I have an odd fingerprint usually associated with Explorer - I think it is a radial loop but can't remember.

Anyway, the point I am trying to make here is that sometimes it is best to follow your gut.  There could be some piece of information that you are missing that would have kept you as a Gatherer.  If the Gatherer diet was working for you, why change?  You can also change the portion sizes and amounts of food.  I forget the name of the field in SWAMI but you can control that somewhat.  Congratulations on all the weight loss!!! I wonder if that alone could have changed your genotype?


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Sunday, December 23, 2012, 2:51pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Quoted from Patty H
I have an odd fingerprint usually associated with Explorer - I think it is a radial loop


Hi,  are you left handed?  Using the book, I first tested Warrior, then I re measured and must have done something wrong..and came out Teacher.  I gave up and went to see Dr. D so that I would follow the right diet. He said I was a Warrior.  He knew my father's blood type AB+ so he knew my father was the Warrior and I have his genes as well as just by looking at me. He said our trademark is the long head.   Knowing your parents' blood type helps the docs a lot.
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BCgal
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Thanks for the input VeganWarrior & Patty H.   I appreciate everyone's comments.



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I don't understand what compels SWAMI users to re-run their reports in the first place.

I think I waited two years before running it more times, and it was only because Lola suggested that I try running it as a "Non-Secretor," rather than "Unknown."  And then I got curious to see how it would respond by checking off diabetes.  No matter what, I was labeled Explorer, and surprisingly there wasn't a noticeable difference in my food selections.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Hi,  are you left handed?  Using the book, I first tested Warrior, then I re measured and must have done something wrong..and came out Teacher.  I gave up and went to see Dr. D so that I would follow the right diet. He said I was a Warrior.  He knew my father's blood type AB+ so he knew my father was the Warrior and I have his genes as well as just by looking at me. He said our trademark is the long head.   Knowing your parents' blood type helps the docs a lot.


No - I am right handed.  I assume my father was an O.  He has been deceased for many years.  My mother is an A.  I have two siblings who are A's and my brother and I are O's, so I assume he must have been an O.


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Your father might have been an A or a B. All you know for sure is that both parents had O alleles to pass along. Mom was AO, dad could have been BO, AO, or OO.

If the SWAMI portion sizes feel intuitively wrong, then eat smaller portions. Did your food list change?


Ruth, Single Mother to 19yo   O- Leah , 18yo O- Hannah, and  13yo B+ Jack


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No - I am right handed.  I assume my father was an O.  He has been deceased for many years.  My mother is an A.  I have two siblings who are A's and my brother and I are O's, so I assume he must have been an O.


I had a little trouble trying to figure out if my sister was a Warrior or an Explorer because she was born left handed, but she's tall and has a lot of the attributes of a Warrior like a long head.  She loves meat though. I never really liked meat..except chicken and turkey.  I'd like to have Dr. D genotype her.
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Your father might have been an A or a B. All you know for sure is that both parents had O alleles to pass along. Mom was AO, dad could have been BO, AO, or OO.

If the SWAMI portion sizes feel intuitively wrong, then eat smaller portions. Did your food list change?


Thanks, Ruthie.  I assumed because O is recessive one of my parents had to be an O.  I need to dig up that blood type chart here on the forum.


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I'm memorizing this, a rule for free thinking, tolerance, creativity, development. Thanks BCgal and Dr. D !  




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Quoted from BCgal
On a lighter note: I was watching a movie yesterday where a couple was offered some sugary dessert at the dinner table and the man said "No thanks, we eat Right for our Blood Type and sugar compromises our immune system."  
Awesome! What movie?  



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This is a very interesting conversation!

My wife came out as B+. Her mother is A+ and an elder sister, too. So her father must be B, as his father is O- and mother was AB+.

I really thought before I knew about my wife's grandmother's AB-ness that she was A like her sister and mother. But no well, she flushes easily like her mother... and she likes vegetarian food like her A+ relatives.

Well, my parents are O both and they taught my to be semivegetarian...

Somehow I feel quite many healthy people get quite well without red meat, although they were O or B blood type. Well, not SO many O type individuals, but anyway. If you exercise properly, it can forgive many lacks in the diet. And if you eat properly, it can forgive some lacks in the exercise... do you agree?


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Somehow I feel quite many healthy people get quite well without red meat, although they were O or B blood type. Well, not SO many O type individuals, but anyway. If you exercise properly, it can forgive many lacks in the diet. And if you eat properly, it can forgive some lacks in the exercise... do you agree?

The body has many mechanisms for "give and take".  Some people who have never had a major illness or trauma do quite well on a heavy avoid diet, as the body have the capacity to process lots of junk.
  
When a person has a major illness, the body has to divert energy from processing the junk to kill the "germ" and heal the illness.  If the person continues to eat a high percentage avoid diet, the body may not have enough reserve capacity to recover fully and this starts the onset of many diseases that are mostly due to build-up the toxins in the body.

When a person has a traumatic accident, it is possible to have nerve damage or other stresses that don't allow the body to function normally and then the onset diseases start...

Sometimes it is possible to clean up the diet, even years later, to the point that the body can start to clean up and heal very old injuries.  It depends on the extent of the injuries done to that point and how effective the person is at using diet, exercise, and targeted supplementation to help the body rebuild the "problem" systems.


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Sometimes it is possible to clean up the diet, even years later, to the point that the body can start to clean up and heal very old injuries.
This is most fascinating, a marvel.



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