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ruthiegirl
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Pickles are made from cucumbers; if cucumber are an avoid for you, then it's likely pickles will be as well.

Umeboshi plum vinegar is the brine from fermented umeboshi plums. Clearly, if this food is OK for you, then ferments in general are OK; it's just that most of the specific ferments listed in SWAMI (pickles, sauerkraut, yogurt, kefir) aren't good choices for you. You should be fine with cultured neutral or beneficial veggies. You'll need to make them yourself since most of the commercially available fermented foods are not OK.

How do kombucha and quark cheese rate for you?


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If what you are doing is working why change?

If this diet works, it would be the missing piece in my puzzle.  

What I've done on my own has had visible results in areas that are measurable, like my teeth and blood pressure, but I'm not sure that I'm addressing my disease markers.  How do you measure whether your susceptibility to cancer and dementia has gone up or down?

Feeling good does not protect you from disease, as we have seen time and time again when supposedly 'healthy' people suddenly drop dead.

There is so much controversy out there -- should I cook my food or not, should I soak my nuts or not eat them at all, should I eat whole grains or avoid gluten and lectins -- that I am never sure whether what I'm doing will have long term health benefits or consequences.  

I was hoping my SWAMI, or this forum, would answer all those questions and put my mind at ease. So far, it hasn't.  

There are dozens of threads on how to soak nuts and beans but no definitive answer on whether one should or not.  There are dozens of threads on raw vs cooked but Dr. D has not weighed in on them. Since I'm not the only one with these concerns, why have they not been addressed?  If it doesn't matter, if the lectins in black beans or the phytates in raw almonds don't agglutinate type O+, he should say so!


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Understanding Dr. D'Adamo's work is not easy at times, I suggest you read his books and see how you feel emotionally about the changes he suggests.

I have read the books and I understand the premise.  It makes sense to me and seems to be what I've been looking for.  But I have to understand the details as well as the big picture.  

Have you read, "Doubt is their Product" or "Bending Science"?  There is so much junk research funded by special interests whose goals (profitability) conflict with mine (health), that I have trouble trusting someone whose theory is based on the analysis of those studies.  How does Dr. D filter out the ones which have been manipulated to support the founder's purpose?

Without knowing this, and the 'rules' that were used to generate my SWAMI, I can't blindly trust something as important as my health to a computer program.  I'm a software engineer; I know how easy it is for errors in code to get past the most rigorous testing.  



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The food explanations, by comparison, were very cryptic: "increases prolamine or indican levels" or "contains component that can modify known disease susceptibility."  I need to know what the component is and what disease it might affect.

Part of the problem here is that there is no EXACT direct cause and effect.  No one can say that a specific deficiency (or combination of deficiencies) or specific lectin will absolutely cause a specific illness.  There are many different pathways in the body that can be affected by a specific shortage, so it is difficult to pinpoint specifically what organ system or what disease will be represented.  
Dr. D'Adamo is pulling data from many different research studies as well as practice data to determine these guidelines - and he is leading the world in this area.  In spite of this, his data, while still incomplete, has been tremendously helpful to the majority of the users for the last 25 years.  He uses software to do much of the compilation, etc. of the data to balance the diet of the individual.


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swami however is personalized, which is exactly what you are asking about

The personalization is based on a set of rules.  For those avoids that don't make sense, I need to know the rules that were used to rate them.

He touches on some of them in the textbook -- some lectins are specific to certain blood types and not others, the lectins in kidney beans resist cooking but soaking eliminates them completely -- why doesn't the TYPEbase address the rest?  Why leave us hanging?

Let me give you an example of why the explanation is important:

In the food allergies portion of the book he states that, "Many food lectins trigger IgE, including the lectins found in bananas, chestnuts, and avocados." Then, in the lectins section, "Conversely, a lectin found in avocados actually inhibits the binding of bacteria to tooth plaque."

So, for someone with food allergies (a risk factor for me) I would expect avocado and bananas to be an avoid.  In my case, bananas are a diamond and avocados are an avoid.  Why?

For non-secretors, avocados become a diamond, as does coconut oil which also has anti-plaque properties.  That makes sense.  But, if I am a secretor with dental caries, shouldn't avocados and coconut oil be diamonds for me, too?

Why aren't they?  Why isn't dental caries one of the questions on the input form if there are foods that can mitigate it?

It's contradictions like this that make me unwilling to blindly trust the software AND unwilling to give up the foods I know have helped me get where I am today.


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Part of the problem here is that there is no EXACT direct cause and effect.  No one can say that a specific deficiency (or combination of deficiencies) or specific lectin will absolutely cause a specific illness.  There are many different pathways in the body that can be affected by a specific shortage, so it is difficult to pinpoint specifically what organ system or what disease will be represented.  

Dr. D'Adamo is pulling data from many different research studies as well as practice data to determine these guidelines - and he is leading the world in this area.  In spite of this, his data, while still incomplete, has been tremendously helpful to the majority of the users for the last 25 years.  He uses software to do much of the compilation, etc. of the data to balance the diet of the individual.

The diet is based on assumptions Dr D makes based on his research.  I need to know what those assumptions are whether they turn out to be correct or not.

Software is not magic.  It uses an algorithm to determine whether to make avocados a diamond or an avoid.  What is that algorithm?  What is the algorithm that makes cauliflower, cabbage and brussles sprouts avoids?  These foods are such powerful anti-cancer agents (another risk factor for me) that I am unwilling to eliminate them without a specific reason.

If the diet cannot justify its logic, why should I trust it?


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How do kombucha and quark cheese rate for you?

Kombucha is a neutral, quark is an avoid.  I currently drink two bottles of GT Kombucha (one green, one ginger) every day.


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I've found that SWAMI doesn't really explain much of anything. It gives the the results of the computer analysis, which has been instrumental in improving my own health. However, I don't think it explains the whys nearly as well as the published books; the books that contain "a few sizes fit most" diet plans rather than the personalized one of SWAMI.

I've been suffering from a tremendous amount of brain fog; even if I had all the data in front of me, I doubt I'd be able to make much sense of it.  That's part of why I so readily trust Dr D in this regard; I know he knows what he's doing and can figure this stuff out a lot better than I can. I'm still trying to learn as much as I can, and I've gotten  good at explaining the basic concepts in simple terms for those new to BTD, but there's still so much that's beyond my ken. I do know that, complex as the SWAMI is, it's not perfect because Dr D is human and imperfect.

I can understand why you'd want to review all the information yourself before trusting it, since you currently DO have the brain capacity to make sense of the information, and it is possible that you'd make different conclusions than Dr D if you studied the same info in the same depth.

I honestly don't know what scholarly information is available, as I haven't personally looked for it. It would be wonderful if you could take a look at the programming code and see what calculations are used in SWAMI, and if you want, re-work the calculations yourself for any specific foods you're questioning. However, I have no idea if that information is available or if it's copyrighted.


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Quoted from Lola
make your own ferments using sea salt only

there are utube videos to show you how

or use the search feature on site, to find older threads on fermenting

table salt used in the food industry is not advisable, for it has added dextrose derived from corn....highly inflammatory for us susceptible ones

sea salt however, helps hydrate at a cellular level

yup, there s lots to learn and you are in the right place!

I use only Himalayan Sea Salt and carry little packets in my purse for when I'm not at home.  

Celtic Sea Salt, from the Atlantic ocean, is exposed to many environmental challenges (mercury, lead, plastic & petroleum toxins, chemicals, etc.) that ancient seas never experienced.  

RealSalt, from the ancient sea bed in Utah, has too much iron for me (menopausal).  

On rare occasions, I will use the Australian Murray River salt, but the river has pollution problems and I have not been able to determine whether they extend to the salt beds or not.

I will research fermenting using salt -- I didn't know it was possible. (Finally, I learned something!)


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I can understand why you'd want to review all the information yourself before trusting it, since you currently DO have the brain capacity to make sense of the information, and it is possible that you'd make different conclusions than Dr D if you studied the same info in the same depth.

I honestly don't know what scholarly information is available, as I haven't personally looked for it. It would be wonderful if you could take a look at the programming code and see what calculations are used in SWAMI, and if you want, re-work the calculations yourself for any specific foods you're questioning. However, I have no idea if that information is available or if it's copyrighted.

THANK YOU for understanding what I need and why I need it!  

I'm not asking to review all the code -- I'm sure that IS copyrighted. What I want is an explanation for a few things that contradict the research I've been doing for over 10 years.

I don't mind paying for the information.  In fact, I think I have paid for it by buying both the Genotype book and the text book.  

Maybe I should see if he needs an assistant....


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The diet is based on assumptions Dr D makes based on his research.  I need to know what those assumptions are whether they turn out to be correct or not.

If the diet cannot justify its logic, why should I trust it?

Good luck...  There are times working within the same Engineering group, you don't have access to the specific algorithms used in a project...

It is always your choice to trust or not any information provided from any source.


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It sounds to me that you (BHealthy) should make an appointment with Dr. D, himself, in CT...that way you can get all the information you are seeking, directly from the source.


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What I want is an explanation for a few things that contradict the research I've been doing for over 10 years.


For about 25 to 30 years, I also devoured all knowledge that I could find on improving my health and I can understand at least from my own perspective how it might not make sense to not take advantage of the wonderful superfoods that have benefited a large number of people because of exceptional nutritional and healing value.

I have a feeling that Dr. D might not disagree that those foods are exceptional sources of nutrition and have strong healing capacities.  I believe that he might not agree that those foods are good for all people. I don't personally care to understand the scientific reasons on why this is the case because after following his programs for the past nearly 15 years, the proof in in the results of my life.  But I would not try and push that explanation on you.  I think Dr. D himself is the one who is able to answer these questions you have.  I wish you good health!  



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For about 25 to 30 years, I also devoured all knowledge that I could find on improving my health and I can understand at least from my own perspective how it might not make sense to not take advantage of the wonderful superfoods that have benefited a large number of people because of exceptional nutritional and healing value.

I have a feeling that Dr. D might not disagree that those foods are exceptional sources of nutrition and have strong healing capacities.  I believe that he might not agree that those foods are good for all people. I don't personally care to understand the scientific reasons on why this is the case because after following his programs for the past nearly 15 years, the proof in in the results of my life.  But I would not try and push that explanation on you.  I think Dr. D himself is the one who is able to answer these questions you have.  I wish you good health!  

I am sure that Dr. D does not agree that these foods are good for all people.  I would like to know specifically why, in my case, they are not good for me.

I have been researching the foods in question and will be starting new threads for each of them so that other people can benefit from my research.  I wish I had known these things 20 years ago.

In an old old post he mentioned that he would be providing this information when he had time.  I am seriously thinking of offering my services, free, to help him accomplish this.



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I have recently experienced a complete turnaround in terms of my need for weightloss by reducing my "off diet" eating from 10% to 1%.  This happened by me lucking in to speaking with a person to whom I need to be accountable for the results of my actions.

About what kind of experience will help you get to 1%, I have no idea.  I hope that you find it, however.

There seems to be a need for people to grow in the art of doing what they have been forced by circumstances to adopt.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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I don't mind paying for the information.  In fact, I think I have paid for it by buying both the Genotype book and the text book.  



Things you can buy do to get more information--
All Dr. D's conference tapes/CD's
http://www.4yourtype.com/searchprods.asp


First volume of his textbook ( this is not the encyclopedia but an actual textbook)

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED012

More audio that is free.
http://www.dadamo.com/media_audio.htm


Come visit him in Brooklyn or at the University of Bridgeport.









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How will I know the diet is 'working' for me beyond what I've already accomplished?  What tests do I need to have done now, before I start, that will show an improvement internally if they are redone after I've been on the diet for a few months?

The book Live Right 4 Your Type lists all the test I need to have done and why I need them.

Thank you, Dr. D!



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I'm glad you've found some of the answers you're looking for.


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