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My apologies in advance for such a long post but I felt it was necessary to illustrate my question.  I've used red to highlight the most important points.

SWAMI classifies me as a Hunter and advises me to increase my animal protein intake, reduce dairy, and eliminate gluten and lectins.

Unfortunately, I grew up eating very little meat and huge amounts of bread, rice, pasta, and veggies.  Pasteurized butter, cream and cheese were staples.  I had problems with my weight as a child but as an adult was able to manage it with exercise.  I ate more animal protein as an adult but, until two years ago, it was mostly CAFO raised.

In spite of this, I have always looked young for my age (or so I've been told) and do not have any known diseases.  But, I have suffered from migraines since I was 17.

Three years ago I eliminated all MSG from my diet and reduced the migraine frequency by half, from 28 per month to 14.  

Two years ago I adopted The Diet Solution principles (but not the diet) and eliminated all manufactured foods, gluten, legumes and starchy vegetables.  I also switched to Himalayan salt, use ghee and coconut oil for high heat cooking, raw unfiltered olive and nut oils for salads, raw pasture-raised A2 dairy, pasture-raised beef chicken and eggs, and filtered RO water.  We've been eating mostly organic for about 10 years but I now insist on it for the things at the top of the EWG's Pesticide list (if I can't buy them organic, we don't eat them).  I eat no GMO's, ever.  I eat very little fruit, lots of greens, and take live food-based supplements to replace the nutrients I know my diet doesn't provide like fish oil and organ meats. I also take supplements to prevent preventable disease, like green tea, b-complex, magnesium, D3, K2, ubiquinol, turmeric, resveratrol, and blue-green algae.    

Two years ago, I also switched all our household and body care products to eliminate toxic ingredients like parabens, pthalates, and sulfates.

Since then, my thinning hair has not only stopped falling out it's grown back, my gums no longer bleed and there is very little plaque on my teeth, my weight is stable even without exercise, my skin is not as dry and no longer itches, my allergies aren't as bad, I'm regular, my blood pressure is normal, I'm rarely hungry and I get full quickly, I don't have cravings, and my migraines are down to 3 per month.  I take no prescription drugs.  

I found the SWAMI diet when I asked a naturepath to help me sort out the conflicting information I was receiving regarding phytates -- I still get too many cavities -- and to manage my supplements -- I only want to take those I actually need (i.e. since I live in the north and get very little sun, should I increase the D3 supplement?).  

The idea behind SWAMI -- a personalized diet designed to maximize my health and mitigate known disease risks for my genotype  -- was exactly what I have been trying to achieve for the past 3 years!  I was hoping it would validate the changes I had made to date and make suggestions for further improvement.

As I mentioned, SWAMI classified me as a Hunter.  In every category except carbohydrates, which I don't eat at all and for which there are is only one diamond, my current diet includes at least one and, in some cases as many as 10 of the diamond and superfoods.  

Of the avoids, there are 10 things that I eat a lot: coconut, cauliflower, leeks, cucumber, grapeseed oil, apples, natto (as nattokinse in my K2 supplement) and coffee (2oz per day). I also consume a lot of dairy but it is RAW dairy which has none of the lectins pasteurized dairy has.

Since what you do eat is more important than what you don't, and my diet is heavy on the diamond/superfood side already, will eliminating those 10 things make me feel better than I already do?  I currently notice no adverse effects when I eat them.  Will adding the few things I currently avoid -- rice and some beans -- which are superfoods but not diamonds, make any difference?

Without changing my current diet, I would estimate that I am 100% compliant on the superfood side, and 90% compliant on the avoid side.  Except for servings -- 1) I just don't eat that much food and 2) I still eat more veggies than animal protein.  I have followed this diet for approximately 2 years.

When I researched the avoids on the TYPEbase, many of them are "Contains component which can modify known disease susceptibility" so I would not expect to FEEL any different if I eliminate them. Disease susceptibility in my family is cancer, HPB, and dementia.  So far, knock on wood, I have none of these.

Others say either "Flocculates serum or precipitates serum proteins" or "metabolic inhibitor" which again, affect internal processes.  Can improving either of these result in changes that I would notice?  Will my migraines disappear entirely?  Will I no longer get cavities?  Will the scar tissue from the operations on my feet dissolve?  Will my eyes no longer burn?  What other changes am I likely to experience?

How will I know the diet is 'working' for me beyond what I've already accomplished?  What tests do I need to have done now, before I start, that will show an improvement internally if they are redone after I've been on the diet for a few months?  

How long does it take to mitigate the internal damage done by a lifetime of eating glutens and lectins?


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Hi.

It isn't a Lectin in dairy but the sugar.  Dairy causes inflammation and mucus production for O's

Being more compliant will yield better results for you.  It's tough to say all of your issues will cease, but you should have a noticeable difference.  Scars are a whole other issue.


With your burning eyes, teeth problems and migraines...do you have dry mouth issues along with dry eyes?


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all has been factored into swami.....swami is in fact Dr D giving you personalized advice!!!  it can t get any better then that!

keep up the good work, and concentrate on your values, not the general typebase ones......this is another level of molecular biology and genetics.....nothing beats swami if given the right variables

if you wish to finetune further, get a genographic project mitochondrial test


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Hi.
With your burning eyes, teeth problems and migraines...do you have dry mouth issues along with dry eyes?


No, I hadn't noticed dry mouth.  What do you suspect?



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I get burning eyes (at base of eyelashes) from any fumes (including even perfumes essential oils etc) But especially petrol/diesel etc... Maybe you have a bit of Explorer in you?
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No, I hadn't noticed dry mouth.  What do you suspect?



Besides being a non secretor, there is an auto immune problem called Sjögren's syndrome.
You didn't mention any joint issues or any other related problems so the chances are remote.

B12 also comes to mind too.  Low B12 can have many side effects including some of yours.


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so I am not specific to your type.. but compliance shows fast what it does for you..
I used to feel ok when doing certain things.. THINKING I was ok.. and by comparison I was..

but when I go compliant then I feel better yet..

Should you go 100% .. I don't particularly think so, but avoids are avoids.. as long as you eat them you will never feel 100%.. health is long term .. a goal I strive for.. long term..  

I am not suggesting to anyone to do more then they can do at this time, yet as life goes on and age sets in and sedentary lifestyles take over or strenuous exercise lessens, then the differences will show..

If you can focus not on all the avoids but one at a time and  find a substitute for it.. then life  is not giving up, but avoiding pitfalls, and gaining great wealth in better health..

Have your avoid 4 times a year, on special occasions, and the rest of the days focus on the new flavors, new tastes and spices you have yet to explore.. Have fun, be brave, enjoy the small victories, and exchange one favorite item for all the avoids.. (for me the exchange is chocolate) what could it be for you?

for me choc is a sweet, even at 90%, a fat, a dairy, a vegetable and a fruit/nut.  It covers so many subjects, and a little goes a long way not to feel deprived.

Living north might mean eating some things to warm you, but then spices can be great.. explore, and in your case explore some more.. welcome ..    


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K2 supplement with natto is a contradictory issue... do you want to thin your blood or do you want the opposite I'd go for a blood test about food allergies, or even if you've a bioresonace therapist in your area- he might be able to test it also..or go for a genotest by saliva and so you are able to see in what YOU are really susceptible for......... but you've to come along with a choice...the choice of system you're going to give your trust....... that's all !!!


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BHealthy - This may help...

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What is compliance?

If you are recovering from an illness or desire weight loss, then 80%-100% of your food choices should be highly beneficial.

If you are a healthy individual over the age of 55, 80% of foods should be beneficial.

If you are under 55 and healthy, 70% or more of your food choices should beneficial.

The remainder of your food choices should be neutral. Avoids should not be eaten.


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It's hard to say what the last 10% compliance would do for you. It may not make any noticeable difference at all. Or you might find those last few health issues "finally falling into place." It's likely that one or two of the changes will make a big difference and another change won't make any obvious difference at all.

I don't think it will be all that hard to cut out the fruits and veggies you're supposed to be avoiding- sub onions for leeks, apples for pears, etc. Do you really need the K2 supplement, or are you eating enough greens already? Could you find a more compliant supplement to take its place?

Coconut is yummy, but I think you can manage without it for a while.

It's really hard to say about the raw dairy. Dr D evaluated pasteurized dairy, and none of us really know if raw dairy is OK for O's or not. Even 3 migraines a month is a health problem, and it's the kind of thing that just might go away once offending foods are fully removed from the diet.

I'd suggest you give 100% compliance a try for a month or two, and see if you feel much better. If you do, re-introduce some "old favorites" one at a time, and see if those foods make any difference.


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I zeroed in on one of your avoids: coffee.  But then I saw the amount of "2oz per day".  You didn't mean to write 2 cups, right?  2oz is such a small amount I don't think it would have much effect, unless you inject it.    But two cups might influence migraines, although I'm not sure whether it would make them better or worse.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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I zeroed in on one of your avoids: coffee.  But then I saw the amount of "2oz per day".  You didn't mean to write 2 cups, right?  2oz is such a small amount I don't think it would have much effect, unless you inject it.    But two cups might influence migraines, although I'm not sure whether it would make them better or worse.


I meant to write 2oz.  

I have 10oz of cold raw sheep's milk with 2oz of cold-brewed coffee, just enough to flavor the milk.  I don't understand why coffee is an avoid for me, since I'm not sensitive to it.  If I can't have the milk, though, then I won't have the coffee either, because I don't eat sugar and can't drink it black.


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It's hard to say what the last 10% compliance would do for you. It may not make any noticeable difference at all. Or you might find those last few health issues "finally falling into place." It's likely that one or two of the changes will make a big difference and another change won't make any obvious difference at all.

I don't think it will be all that hard to cut out the fruits and veggies you're supposed to be avoiding- sub onions for leeks, apples for pears, etc. Do you really need the K2 supplement, or are you eating enough greens already? Could you find a more compliant supplement to take its place?

Coconut is yummy, but I think you can manage without it for a while.

It's really hard to say about the raw dairy. Dr D evaluated pasteurized dairy, and none of us really know if raw dairy is OK for O's or not. Even 3 migraines a month is a health problem, and it's the kind of thing that just might go away once offending foods are fully removed from the diet.

I'd suggest you give 100% compliance a try for a month or two, and see if you feel much better. If you do, re-introduce some "old favorites" one at a time, and see if those foods make any difference.


The problem is not desire or method.  My entire diet is driven by what's healthy and what isn't.  I don't eat what I like, I eat what I should and I have no problem eliminating foods IF I KNOW WHY!  

If I don't know why, then I have no motivation at all, and I take nothing on faith.  Unfortunately, I trust no one.

Coconut is supposed to be really healthy, which is the only reason I've been using it.  If it's not healthy for me, then I need the reason.  Ditto for all the cruciferous veggies, cherries, apricots, natto, avocado and aloe vera.  Why are they avoids?  Without an explanation, I can't justify eliminating them.  There are too many health benefits associated with them.

I'm not questioning why pasta and potatoes are avoids, I know why they're bad for me.  But cabbage and cauliflower?  I need the reason.

My plan was to try 100% compliance for a month or two and see if I notice a difference.  If the difference can't be felt -- you can't feel your bones loosing density -- I need a way to measure it, which is why I need to know what all the avoids are either doing, or not doing, to my insides.  I hope that the pending release of the new version will include more explanations.

I take K2 for my teeth and bones.  I'm not willing to risk loosing them.  I would give up the supplement if I knew I was getting enough from my diet but at this time there is no commercial test that can give an accurate measure of your levels.  Again, there are too many benefits associated with it to risk not taking it.  


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I can understand your reluctance to give up the K2 supplement. But I don't see how cutting out one veggie, and substituting another, is going to hurt anything.


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From SWAMI introduction...

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After 12,600,000 individual calculations (performed on 225 individual nutrient values found in each of 800 foods, matched to the results of the measurements, history and test results that you've provided)...

If you are looking for specific explanation for each of your foods... That's a tall order!
Personally, I just trust in the scientists, but I completely understand that some people just can't do that...


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I can understand your reluctance to give up the K2 supplement. But I don't see how cutting out one veggie, and substituting another, is going to hurt anything.

If you believe, as I do, that cruciferous vegetables are the healthiest available, then substituting parsnips for cauliflower is not an even swap.  I would be giving up a nutritional powerhouse for a nutritional wimp.

Plus, I can get organic cauliflower and cabbage all year long, they keep for weeks in the fridge, and are extremely versatile.  Health and convenience in one neat package.  If I have to avoid them, I need a very good reason.

I've also just realized that all fermented foods are avoids.  Where am I supposed to get my probiotics?!?  And, how am I supposed to repair my digestive tract without them?

I've ordered the textbook which I'm hoping will shed some light on these questions.  The TYPEbase didn't.


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From SWAMI introduction...


If you are looking for specific explanation for each of your foods... That's a tall order!
Personally, I just trust in the scientists, but I completely understand that some people just can't do that...


Not all of them, just the ones that fly in the face of reason.

I trusted the FDA and look what a mess they made of things.  

Now, I trust but verify, verify, verify.  


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a practitioner running swami pro can hand you a chart report stating the reason behind every personalized avoid according to your variables.


you say you need reasons behind an avoid status, but you haven t ran a secretor status test yet......interesting


individuality is key

swami also needs a very good reason to determine which foods should best be avoided, according to YOU and no one else.

pm me if you need help finding out all these things...Dr D has done all the math for us


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all fermented foods are avoids


where did you find that out???

I am constantly making my own ferments using my beneficials and sea salt exclusively!!! yummmmmmmmm


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If what you are doing is working why change?

Although you do not suffer from any of your families illnesses at this time you are young yet.

SWAMI is another level of diet-- you will have to let go of some of  your belief systems in order to replace it with what you are doing.

You have worked so hard to figure this out for yourself and have done amazing on your own.

Understanding Dr. D'Adamo's work is not easy at times, I suggest you read his books and see how you feel emotionally about the changes he suggests. Slowly and gently.

Blessings that you are curious enough to begin the process.  


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a practitioner running swami pro can hand you a chart report stating the reason behind every personalized avoid according to your variables.

I will ask her to do that.  Will it provide more information than the TYPEbase or the text book?  

The text book arrived today.  I found the supplement base the most useful part of the book.  The food explanations, by comparison, were very cryptic: "increases prolamine or indican levels" or "contains component that can modify known disease susceptibility."  I need to know what the component is and what disease it might affect.

The disease explanation were interesting but the only 'treatment protocols' listed were supplements.  Why weren't they tied into the diet?  


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you say you need reasons behind an avoid status, but you haven't ran a secretor status test yet......interesting

The only reason I haven't run it yet is because it just arrived today.  It will go out tomorrow (it's packed and ready and the pickup has been scheduled) so I'm hoping to have my status by the end of next week.

In the interim, I have run the SWAMI both with the secretor switch on and with the non-secretor switch on.  I loaded the results into a spread sheet, sorted it, and compared the results.  While I'm waiting for the test results, I will only be eating those superfoods that are on both versions.  

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swami also needs a very good reason to determine which foods should best be avoided, according to YOU and no one else.

And I need to know that reason!  What can possibly be gained by keeping it from me when it would be so easy to provide?  I am a software engineer and know that providing the explanation is no different code-wise than selecting the food itself.  Without the explanation, I have no proof that the logic is sound and the programming accurate.

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pm me if you need help finding out all these things...Dr D has done all the math for us

Thank you! I may do that.


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where did you find that out???

I am constantly making my own ferments using my beneficials and sea salt exclusively!!! yummmmmmmmm

In my SWAMI, yogurt, sauerkraut, kefir, all pickles, all vinegar (except umeboshi), cucumbers and cabbage are all avoids.  I did find an organic umeboshi vinegar but it's loaded with salt.

  




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make your own ferments using sea salt only

there are utube videos to show you how

or use the search feature on site, to find older threads on fermenting


table salt used in the food industry is not advisable, for it has added dextrose derived from corn....highly inflammatory for us susceptible ones

sea salt however, helps hydrate at a cellular level

yup, there s lots to learn and you are in the right place!


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Will it provide more information than the TYPEbase or the text book?  




swami however is personalized, which is exactly what you are asking about


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I did find an organic umeboshi vinegar but it's loaded with salt.


Ume plum vinegar is actually a brine, which uses salt to do the fermenting.


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