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BHealthy
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It is my understanding that phytic acid binds to the minerals we need to maintain strong teeth and bones.

Most nuts, grains and beans are high in phytic acid.

In the GTD book, phytic acid was listed as an avoid for Hunters (under condiments) yet the superfoods include several varieties of nuts, rice and beans.

My SWAMI doesn't list phytic acid as an avoid but does include the nuts, rice and beans.  It also excludes most dairy which is currently my primary source of calcium.  I only use raw dairy and do not take a calcium supplement.  

The best way to remove phytic acid is to soak in whey, but whey is also an avoid for Hunters.

I'm afraid that if I follow this diet, my teeth will deteriorate!

Can someone explain why these foods are allowed for a hunter?  





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If you search these forums you will find lots of info regarding Phytic acid.  

Beans and grains should be soaked in lemon water for a few hours and then discard water and rinse well before cooking.  Similar for nuts, except I use salty water for nuts and then I dehydrate them before storing them for later eating.

It has all been covered here ... beautiful learning tool these forums ... keep asking and searching ... we learn from each other heaps ...




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There usually are other foods that do what certain ones do.  They say for type O not to use fish oil, but I think other foods may do what it does.    
For years we were told that we all needed dairy for our bones. Well, it also causes so many other problems. I don't have dairy & my teeth & bones are pretty good.

So as you enter the world of the BTD, you will keep learning new things to build on what you know.

I know nothing about phytic acid(except I have read the name), so can't help, but I do know that there are many substitues for the various nutrients & soon you will find out!!!!


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1 cup of spinach has almost as much calcium as a cup of milk.

Leafy greens. Organic. Hopefully grown in a mineral rich soil.
Google for other options.

It's not just what you take in, but what you can absorb and use.

Detoxical D (from this website) is also absorbed at any pH if you choose to supplement.

Magnesium is important for calcium absorption, but I'm sure you know that.


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Quoted from Cristina
If you search these forums you will find lots of info regarding Phytic acid.  


I guess I didn't state my question clearly.

I did search the forum before starting this thread.  The other threads all referenced the same sites I used before coming here.  They advise us to soak/sprout/ferment/cook all nuts, grains, seeds, rice and beans.  The threads were started by people who had trouble digesting these foods. I don't.  I'm concerned about the invisible effect they might have.

I also checked the TYPEbase to see if there were any 'special notes' about them.

And, I read many of the SWAMI-generated recipes, and none of them require any soaking, sprouting, or fermenting.

My teeth are riddled with cavities and I am loathe to increase the phytates in my diet.

So, my question remains: why are these items include in the diet?  Do Hunters, or people with O+ blood, have something in their system that enables them to eat these foods without the extensive pre-prep? Do I have such an abundance of minerals that I can afford to loose some of them to phtates?   WAP recommends less than 800mg per day.  Brown rice, a superfood for me, has a whopping 12,509mg and I'm allowed 2 servings every day!

If O+ Hunters don't have a way of neutralizing phytates, why is there no reference to the pre-prep in either the generated diet or the recipes?  Why is crucial information like this left for us to ferret out on our own?

The bottom line for me is that if my body isn't able to neutralize the phytates, I'm not going to add them to my diet, soaked/soured/fermented/heated or not.  So I would really like to know why Dr. D considers them a superfood for me!


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It's not just what you take in, but what you can absorb and use.


Exactly!  

I supplement with magnesium, D3 and K2, and eat a huge amount of organic greens.  But if all those minerals will be bound up by phytates I won't be reaping the benefits.

I've been researching this for the past 3 days and I've decided not to add them to my diet.  It's not worth the risk to me unless Dr. D can allay my fears.


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everyone is different, so if you have an issue with your teeth and cavities some would say you should concentrate on eating either less grain or if you do have grains to soak, ferment and cook then a lot for example, other suggest you have bone broth or use stocks that are prepared to enhance intake of minerals and vitamins. boiled for a long (up to 72 hours) time after being soaked n an acid medium for an hour for example for beef bones.


it would be difficult for any program to take into account all the bad things or problems some have.

plus there is a lot of counter information out there, some people maintain that tooth decay is due to not cleaning your teeth and purely bacteria, i cleaned my teeth twice a day with expensive tooth paste my whole life and my teeth where falling apart before I stopped using normal tooth paste. I am now convinced that glycerine in tooth paste is a bad thing.

what do you use for tooth paste for example.

the other thing is that some of the very things that may reduce vitamins and minerals may also chelate other things like heavy metals etc so one has to be very sure about all the angles  etc that anyone designing a program has to do. also some time they may want you to read between the lines and read further so as not to draw unwanted flack from idiots and so on lol hope you know what I mean there not meaning to be offensive oxo peace and love


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Quoted from PCUK-Positive

plus there is a lot of counter information out there, some people maintain that tooth decay is due to not cleaning your teeth and purely bacteria, i cleaned my teeth twice a day with expensive tooth paste my whole life and my teeth where falling apart before I stopped using normal tooth paste. I am now convinced that glycerine in tooth paste is a bad thing.

what do you use for tooth paste for example.



You hit the nail on the head!  Big business in collusion with the FDA has fed us so much false information that if they recommend something, I avoid it!  There are so many toxic ingredients in conventional toothpaste it should be labelled a poison.

I brush my teeth with Dr. Tung's ionic toothbrush and Living Libations Neem Enamelizer (organic and wild crafted neem, cinnamon, coconut oil, olive oil, jojoba, soapwort and spring water).  Then, I 'rinse' with Mini Minerals ionic Bone Support (Calcium, magnesium, zinc, potassium, boron, manganese and cobalt.)

Once a week, I brush with clay.

This protocol has improved my gums almost 100% and there is now very little plaque on my teeth (I do, also, eat lots of avocados).  My teeth are whiter, too.

I still have two cavities which I am trying to heal naturally and I'm pretty sure phytates will interfere with that process.  


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so what exactly do you eat that you think is high in phytic acid? be it grain, nut or seed?

I have a pretty good method of reducing it in almonds pecans, pumpkin seeds, Quinoa and rice rice and to a lesser extent in lentils.


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Quoted from PCUK-Positive

the other thing is that some of the very things that may reduce vitamins and minerals may also chelate other things like heavy metals etc so one has to be very sure about all the angles  etc that anyone designing a program has to do. also some time they may want you to read between the lines and read further so as not to draw unwanted flack from idiots and so on lol hope you know what I mean there not meaning to be offensive oxo peace and love


I agree with this point, too.

I've been detoxing since I changed my diet two years ago.  I make a salad dressing from onions, cilantro, jalapenos, chlorella and lemon juice that is wonderful at detoxing heavy metals.  When my husband uses it, he purges for 24 hours but I use it liberally with no ill effects.    





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also have you read the book "cure tooth decay by ramiel nage worth a read if you can get it from the library. although a lot of what he writes is from other authors like  western a price and so on. so you hardy need it as a reference book


I use sea salt rinses and my tooth paste is a mix of hydrogen peroxide and bicarbonate of soda (gluten and aluminium free) my moth wash, as such is 3% hydrogen peroxide.

I keep meaning to do more oil pulling but can't seem to get into it for some reason.  usually to busy lol but I will continue to try.


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so what exactly do you eat that you think is high in phytic acid? be it grain, nut or seed?

I have a pretty good method of reducing it in almonds pecans, pumpkin seeds, Quinoa and rice rice and to a lesser extent in lentils.


Legumes and rice are very high in phytic acid and it's hard to eliminate because they have little or no phytase.  I don't currently eat them but black beans and some rices are superfoods in my SWAMI.  From what I understand, the only way to eliminate it is to soak, sprout, ferment, and then cook.  I'm not willing to go to that trouble unless there is a reason I should eat them.  

I currently soak and dehydrate all my nuts and then only eat them in small quantities. Almonds and walnuts are diamonds for me but I won't increase my quantities until I know it's safe to do so.

If O+ Hunters produce enough phytase to mitigate the phytic acid, that would be a reason for me to include them in my diet.



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also have you read the book "cure tooth decay by ramiel nage worth a read if you can get it from the library. although a lot of what he writes is from other authors like  western a price and so on. so you hardy need it as a reference book


Yes, I have.  I was about to implement his protocol when dairy came up as an avoid in my SWAMI.  I'm hoping it's only pasteurized dairy but I haven't been able to get clarification on that.  I suspect that Dr. D cannot recommend raw dairy for 'political' reasons.  I may have to make do with x-factor butter oil.



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kerrygold butter

is buffalo milk available to you? it is allowed on some swami.

white rice is not that high compared to brown rice but it only takes 3 days to sort it if you have a jar with a strainer it's fairly easy to do. I have this system of three jars which is the best i have found but expensive http://www.wholisticresearch.com/shop/home/m/Shop/id/130/from/132/page/1/


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I have a starter that I collected for all mine I keep them in the fridge and use a little each time and then top it up before I rinse it. I use old herb jars the small tall ones they are ideal.


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I may have found the answer:

A whole book, Food Phytates, published in 2001 by CRC press, attempts to build a case for “phytates’ potential ability to lower blood glucose, reduce cholesterol and triacylglycerols, and reduce the risks of cancer and heart disease.

Cancer and HBP are risk factors for my family so it may have been included to mitigate that risk.

My cholesterol is low ( 178 ), my BP is normal ( 120/78 ), and I've eliminated sugar so I don't think I need them for the first two reasons.  I'm having bloodwork done next week and will ask them to test my blood glucose and triacylglycerols.

I will have to research what other foods reduce the risk of cancer.  If I eat all but one of them, I should be OK.  


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Cool, just check that the book wasn't sponsored by the Kellogg's lol

just got an email from Ramiel so here is his blogg if you don't have it, although a lot is just repeated in the book.

http://curetoothdecay.com/blog/assembly-line-orthodontics-can-damage-faces/


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