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Remember food values may change when you get SWAMI!   So you may not want to spend too much time fretting about current values.


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I totally don’t understand the mayonnaise avoid since it’s made with all my superfoods – eggs, grapeseed oil, lemon juice, sea salt, and mustard powder.
  
The mayonnaise rating is for standard mayonnaise from the store.  If you make it with all good for you ingredients, it is fine.


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Mayonnaise is frequently an avoid because it contains vinegar.  There may be other issues in your case.

If you can make it (or buy it) with only compliant ingredients, you can eat it.


Whew!  I make it with lemon juice.

I didn't see apple cider vinegar as an avoid so I assumed it was a neutral. Is it?  Or has it not been tested?

If it's not an avoid, can I use it to make pickles?  They were also an avoid but I never buy them, I make my own.


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Remember food values may change when you get SWAMI!   So you may not want to spend too much time fretting about current vales.


Yes, I know this, but I'm eager to get started, and the things I listed are some of my favorite foods.

I'm very concerned about the chili powder.  I really do put it on everything and have at least 10 different kinds.  I always thought it was good for me.


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Black pepper is usually due to contamination with mold. Again there may be other issues in your case.


I saw the thread about black pepper. I researched the claim and found a document indicating that from 1987 through 2011 black pepper shipments from India required a certification that they were salmonella-free, but there was no mention of mold.  I also found a report on irradiation indicating that it can reduce mold growth in some spices.  

Supposedly, whole corns that are fleshly ground are OK for some people.  So, if non-organic (i.e. irradiated) peppercorns crushed in a mortar are OK (to avoid contamination from the grounds that remain in the grinding mechanism of a pepper mill), could I use them?  

Or, if non-organic peppercorns are proscribed because of a heavy pesticide load, but I can 'irradiate' them myself by zapping them in the microwave and then crush them in the mortar, would that make them a neutral?  

Or, is 'dead' mold is just as dangerous as live mold?

It's never a black and white; I'm always looking for a detailed explanation.


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If it helps, I think most of us here have had the same questions. Aside from the aforementioned reasons, there seems to be many instances where the processing of foods change them in ways that could have a negative effect on your health. Intake quantity as well, for instance carrots -vs- carrot juice for some folks. Some restrictions may also change over time as well. Do try to be as compliant as possible.
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If it helps, I think most of us here have had the same questions. Aside from the aforementioned reasons, there seems to be many instances where the processing of foods change them in ways that could have a negative effect on your health. Intake quantity as well, for instance carrots -vs- carrot juice for some folks. Some restrictions may also change over time as well. Do try to be as compliant as possible.


Thank you for explaining the juice question.  I wondered why cucumbers were OK but not cucumber juice.  However, what is in cucumbers that I shouldn't eat too much of?

I intend to be 100% compliant.  If I understand what a given food will do to me, I won't be able to eat it no matter how good it tastes, which is why I'm so interested in the science behind the recommendations.

I will search the forum for the foods I'm most concerned about and then start a thread for the ones I haven't found answers to.


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If I understand what a given food will do to me, I won't be able to eat it no matter how good it tastes, which is why I'm so interested in the science behind the recommendations.


I agree that it's hard to not have the explanations at your fingertips. I imagine it's way more data than we could handle, or that we'd cherry-pick which parts of the program to accept. Better to go in heart first.  

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Remember food values may change when you get SWAMI!   So you may not want to spend too much time fretting about current vales.


Well, I broke down and had a Naturepath doctor help me fill out the SWAMI form and, you were right.

I am, unbelievably, a Hunter!  Is there a way to get that into my avatar?

I haven't done the secretor test yet but, either way, I'm a hunter, so I will just avoid the foods that would change status until I get the secretor test back.  

The two biggies for me are avocados and coconut oil which are allowed for non-secretors but avoids for secretors.  I currently eat a lot of both. I could live without the coconut oil but there is no substitute for avocados so I'm hoping I'm a non-secretor.  

Thankfully, jalapenos are a diamond, and chili powder is a neutral!  

I have lots of new questions now but I will start a new thread for each of them to keep them organized.  



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Here are some instructions on how to display GenoTypes or other messages beneath the avatar/blood type shield on the left of each message:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num1


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Here are some instructions on how to display GenoTypes or other messages beneath the avatar/blood type shield on the left of each message:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num1


Thank you!  That worked!

What generates the line(s) under the personal message?



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To generate a message that appears under you messages, set up a signature in the member center.

Instructions:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1219018887/#num3


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If you are wondering about the message "Early Spring: Awareness, desire."

That is part of the belt system. The message displayed is based on the number of posts you have made.

The belt system is explained here:

http://www.dadamo.com/htdocs/blahdocs/helpdoc/belts.html


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C-sharp, I clicked on the link for the explanation of the Belt System, but it di not come up with that.


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C-sharp, I clicked on the link for the explanation of the Belt System, but it di not come up with that.


Try this:

http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-ref/m-1097503925/s-new/





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Did you scroll down on the page??




The Belt, Title, and Color System

The belt system is just an adaptation from the system of martial arts that Dr. D'Adamo practices. In our bulletin board community belt color and style signifies 'seniority' by virtue of the total number of posts that individual has contributed and the service to the community. Of course, 'quantity' of posts is no guarantee of 'quality', but many high volume posters are committed, knowledgeable and helpful individuals. The nomenclature is Korean. Light-hearted, but also not. Member's screen names are shown in the color of the titles below.


# Posts      Tag line     
0-9           Winter: Hidden potential.
10-29           Early Spring: Awareness, desire.
30-49           Spring: Growth, peace.
50-99           Summer: Realization, expansion.
100+           Autumn: Harvest, success.
500+           Ee Dan
Awarded      Sam Dan

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If you are wondering about the message "Early Spring: Awareness, desire."

That is part of the belt system. The message displayed is based on the number of posts you have made.

The belt system is explained here:

http://www.dadamo.com/htdocs/blahdocs/helpdoc/belts.html


Yes, that's what I meant!  Thanks for the explanation.



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Many find the palm up method of measurement helps them make the measurements:

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-523269/Hands-How-fingers-reveal-.html

But Dr. D'Adamo has said that small difference in finger lengths can be treated as the same.


When the naturepath measured my fingers, she used the kit tool which is the same gizmo used to measure jaw angle but it has a movable 'stopper' on the end.  The measurements she came up with were totally different than mine.

When I got home I dug the hem gauge out of my sewing basket and was able to duplicate her measurements.  This is what it loos like: http://sewing.about.com/od/beginner1/ig/Sewing-Tools/Sewing-Gauges.htm

Having the right finger measurement made a difference.  



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I might need the textbook.  

The GenoType Diet book arrived today and, if I measured my fingers correctly, I am probably a Gatherer which is OK because many of the diamonds and superfoods are favorites.

However, if I’m to give up yogurt, black pepper, chili powder, cauliflower, leeks and mayonnaise I need the reason!  

The general guidelines in the book didn’t help.  For instance, it says, “these superfoods are rich in vitamins, minerals, purines, and nucleotides from proteins and cultured foods.” But, yogurt, pickles, natto, sour cream, and sauerkraut are all avoids and they’re both cultured and loaded with nutrients.  

Why is natto an avoid?  It’s the best source of vitamin K2 and many of us older folks need more of it.

I totally don’t understand the mayonnaise avoid since it’s made with all my superfoods – eggs, grapeseed oil, lemon juice, sea salt, and mustard powder.  

Why are leeks an avoid when onions, shallots and garlic are all superfoods?

Fresh jalapeno is a superfood but chili powder is an avoid?  I can’t often find organic fresh jalapenos but I always have the powdered version and I sprinkle it on everything!

Contradictions like this don’t make sense to me and I will not be able to avoid the avoids without explanations.   If SWAMI doesn’t generate the explanations, where can I get them?  Should I start a thread for each of my concerns?  Will they be in the textbook?  Where do I get the textbook?

I received the shipping notice for the SWAMI disc so I should have it by the end of the week.  I’m going to use the book in the meantime.



Hi there,
you are the only one i suppose other than me who felt this way. for months I have been looking in this forum to see if others felt so. havent foudn anybody else. i need answers too, as to why some food are avoids while others are superfood. it doesnt matter if they are inthe same family or not. i just want to know, what is it about each food that is affecting me.  

Meanwhile i decided to do the diet- i just followed the book- I am gatherer regardless of my secretor status. i jsut followed the book. i must say, i have seen positive changes. weight loss was not my goal. increased energy, mental sharpness, positive hair and skin changes, no binging, no mood fluxes, no cravings, i now eat by my hunger signal, listening to what my body wants, not just for the heck of it.
next phase is to start for weight loss!  

so I admit it works, but i want to know- what is it about all the other foods that i have eaten for half my lifetime and without problems too, i must say, no allergies etc that was affecting me badly.

SO IF YOU FIND THE ANSWERS PLS LET ME KNOW. THANKS IN ADVANCE.
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what is it about each food that is affecting me

http://www.dadamo.com/B2blogs/blogs/index.php/2010/03/27/hows-and-whys?blog=24
hows and whys
parameters capable of being evaluated as per each food
http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?b-GTDdiet/m-1202698596/#num13


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Hi there,
you are the only one i suppose other than me who felt this way. for months I have been looking in this forum to see if others felt so. havent foudn anybody else. i need answers too, as to why some food are avoids while others are superfood. it doesnt matter if they are inthe same family or not. i just want to know, what is it about each food that is affecting me


Actually, I think we've all been through this initially, and to a lesser degree it's an ongoing paradox.

But...

It may only seem that we're mosly complacent due to the fact that we've experienced enough success to accept the lists. Quirky as they are. You're in good company feeling as you do and asking these questions.

I've been sending the ER4YT book to friends with instructions to pore over the concept, but advance to the Genotype approach for implementation. I think you'll have a better understanding once you've read ER4YT.
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Thank you!  Those were very informative links.

One of them referenced another website, http://www.genotypediet.com, that is not free, where I was hoping I would be able to ask questions of Dr D and get a response.  But, when I go to that site, the forum link brings me back here.

Is there a 'pay-per-view' type forum?  As I said earlier, I am willing to pay for this information.



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Thank you!  Those were very informative links.

One of them referenced another website, http://www.genotypediet.com, that is not free, where I was hoping I would be able to ask questions of Dr D and get a response.  But, when I go to that site, the forum link brings me back here.

Is there a 'pay-per-view' type forum?  As I said earlier, I am willing to pay for this information.



There is currently no 'pay-per-view' forum.

the http://www.genotypediet.com site was in the past managed by Waterfront Media and they charged to access it.  The http://www.genotypediet.com site is now managed by Dr. D. and he chooses to not charge people to access the information on the site.

You may have been able to submit questions for Dr. D., but there was no guarantee that he would answer questions submitted.

When the site was managed by Water Front Media, Most questiones were answered in online forums like this one.  

Dr. D. answered a few of the questions, but most questions were answered by others.

There were fewer people on the paid site so their was fewer people to answer questions, so the forum discussions were not as lively-and you were probably less likely to get a quick response to a question.

Most of the people on the paid site were also on this site.  So the answers tended to be the same anyway. Lola said the same thing on the Waterfront Media Site as she says here. I said similar things as I do here, except I said fewer things related to forum administration, since I was not an administrator there.

What you are missing from the old site is not so much Dr. D.'s attention, but online calculators and meal planners.


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What you are missing from the old site is not so much Dr. D.'s attention, but online calculators and meal planners.


no need for those now that we let swami compute our Gts for us!

Also meal planning and recipes

in regards to answering specific questions, nothing compares to using the search window on the top right hand window of this page


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that was a different creature altogether. A pay-for-use website run by Waterfront Media and Random House. Most of what was there is now available for free on genotypediet.com, except for the meal planning which was their proprietary software.


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