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Jenny
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I was  asking questions about this back in May 2012 on another thread, but had not made an important connection until today when I was doing my occasional check of all my Avoids to see if anything unwanted has crept into my diet. I find that a particular fruit, plantain, has always been on my avoid list, but because I am unfamiliar with it I had taken little interest. However, I now discover that psyllium is made from plantain: I will give you the dictionary definition of psyllium:" a plantain whose flealike seeds are used as a laxative".  So in a nutshell, or bananaskin if you like, psyllium is an absolute no no for me as an A type, swamied Warrior. Bingo.



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I don't need to connect the dots.....ouch!  
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Quoted from Jenny
However, I now discover that psyllium is made from plantain . . .

Hi Jenny, psyllium husk is from the genus Plantago, which includes approximately 200 species of small plants commonly called plantains. Confusingly enough, they [plantains] share this common name with the banana-like plantain fruit that is produced by a herbaceous plant in the genus Musa. Nonetheless, plantains from which psyllium husks are derived and the plant on which the "banana plantain" (aka kochbanane) grows are totally unrelated to each other aside from the fact that they're all in the plant kingdom. It probably doesn't help matters that, just as many fruit trees have common names of the fruit they bear, the fruited plantian shares its name with an entire separate plant family (i.e., Plantaginaceae Juss.).



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Still, psyllium is a rather hard/sharp fiber which is thought to be able to damage the intestinal wall. In that sense softer fibers like rice bran or oat bran are better choices.
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Interesting since I do take psyllium every day with lots of water.  
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In my opinion supplementing fiber is a bit overrated.

Yes the average American likely benefits from supplementing fiber, but we are far from the average American. All of us health conscious people likely do ingest more than enough of it via our diet.

I don't know what your stools are like, but if they're hard that would be a decent sign to maybe cut back on the psyllium
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Fiber of this sort is not good for anyone. Perhaps you should read the book "fibre menace"

regular fruit and veg is sufficient for fibre needs normally.


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I'd rather stick with fiber that is from the food I eat.  My favorite for my own type is ground chia seeds and ground golden flaxseeds.  Delicious in my morning smoothie, adds protein, Omega 3 fatty acids and thick creaminess to the blender drink.



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My favorite for my own type is ground chia seeds and ground golden flaxseeds.  

Mmmm- my new bestest food friend: ground flax seed 'bread' (foccacia)
Flax seed is great, speeds 'things' up or slows them down- whatever is needed  
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Thanks for your insights Conor. So now I would be requesting that psyllium be tested and reported on future TYPEbase lists so that we don't have to make false assumptions such as mine. thanks



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I was on a site on the web. a lady using Psyllium instead of Xanthan, Carrageenan, and other gums for the making of gluten free bread. What do you think? Is it better than these other binders for our cooking? The interest started because My AB husband, was having big hard stools, hard to pass. So if it is from (banana family)it would be an avoid for him, so I guess it is Oatmeal for him. Is mineral Oil at bedtime okay for him, I bought some stool softeners, but hate to use them because they have Propylene Glycol in them, any ideas? We eat fiber in fruits and veggies everyday and some flax bread I make. Thanks

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Interesting since I do take psyllium every day with lots of water.  


I use it in a bread I make.  Only 4 tbl for the entire loaf.  My bowel movements have never been better.  I eat one piece a day.  I also take 1 tbl of Dr. D's Fiber supp.  But my bowel moments really improved when I started eating this bread.  
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you need to come along with a lot of liquid intake, so far this stuff isn't harmfull at all ... as NHG said... mentioned... ouch... NHG ........ ......


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I was on a site on the web. a lady using Psyllium instead of Xanthan, Carrageenan, and other gums for the making of gluten free bread. What do you think? Is it better than these other binders for our cooking? The interest started because My AB husband, was having big hard stools, hard to pass. So if it is from (banana family)it would be an avoid for him, so I guess it is Oatmeal for him. Is mineral Oil at bedtime okay for him, I bought some stool softeners, but hate to use them because they have Propylene Glycol in them, any ideas? We eat fiber in fruits and veggies everyday and some flax bread I make. Thanks


I'm an AB and I thought I'd throw something out for you.  Long Grain Brown rices seems to be like a bit of a laxative for me.  FWIW.  When I eat it it helps things along and I have always taken note by that.  I eat oatmeal regularly too though.  And it probably acts the same way.  But I seem to notice it a bit more with long grain brown rice.  

As far as psyllium being baaaaaad, I have no clue.  I have taken in the past when I was detoxing from candida real bad and it seemed to help.  And my sister had a bout of bowel toxicity and she was taking something called "challenge" and I think it has psyllium in it.  And it helped her a LOT.  So.....  

The longer I follow all this health stuff, especially on here, the more I hear that just about any food or supplement has a study that says it is "BAD".  Maybe there is some truth in it.  But one of the downsides to watching what we eat can be overcompensating and ending up with no choices.  I think someone was talking this last week in a thread.  If we really knew where any of our food was at one time or another, we wouldn't want to eat anything.

Anyways....  I'm not saying there isn't any wisdom in understanding the yucky foods out there, but call me skeptical about psyllium being not good for you.  Maybe it is bad for some of the blood types.  I actually get plantains on my list.  I think as a neutral.  I forget.  I used to eat them but they're kind of sugary.  When you let them get ripe enough to eat raw.  They're really good though.  But I did take note that Conor said psyllium is a completely different thing.  

Actually we stopped buying bananas and plantains because of those stupid little flies seem to infest the house.  


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I used to eat psyllium seeds quite often, now I find just fruit and vegetable fibres so much more effective and adequate as the are gentle fibres and also contain the fluid essential to keep insides(small intestine especially) moist and healthy.  Some people with grain/starch intolerance problems, may also know where I am coming from and can relate to me.  Am now eating fruits just in mornings, just one type of fresh fruit at a time and quite a bit of it... first time around 7:30am and more during the morning; it is working much better than any grain, seed, nut or other things I used to eat for breakfast. I now think the grains/undigested foods led to a problem with sugars from fresh fruits. I also know the fruit gives me lots of vitamin c, and other minerals, nutrients - plus it's fresh whole food!
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addressing only the issue at hand.. I am taking a spoon of extra light olive oil between meals .. after 2 weeks no more problems.. wash down with water..


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Over 20 years ago, I heard about psyllium &  bought 2 large bottles of it(must have been on sale!).
Well, even a small amount gave me a scratchy throat, an allergic reaction, so I couldn't use it.

I bet it is something that is individual & that more research would show who can have it. I think it is the main ingredient in Metamucil which I have never had. But many people use it.


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Quoted from Mrs T O+
Over 20 years ago, I heard about psyllium &  bought 2 large bottles of it(must have been on sale!).
Well, even a small amount gave me a scratchy throat, an allergic reaction, so I couldn't use it.

I bet it is something that is individual & that more research would show who can have it. I think it is the main ingredient in Metamucil which I have never had. But many people use it.


I was wondering that same thing today....what would happen if I went back to it.

In my early 20's I had lost enough weight on Dr. Abravanel's Body Type Diet (I chose the G-Type diet because of my perceived body shape) to go on maintenance phase but my bulimia was in full swing no matter what lifestyle I chose.

I became a novice nun at a monastery in town and told the others I had to swear off of bread. I was putting in thousands of steps of walking, it seemed, back and forth to chapel, refectory, the Sisters' quarters - just walking all over the grounds because if you had to do anything the buildings were all spread out. I lost more and more weight and as an Explorer got down to 118 pounds on a 5'2 frame (size 8 - 9 dress), But what really floors me looking back was I narrowed my food group down to a very, very particular group the others couldn't figure out that sounds VERY Swami-ed to me when I look at Swami:    every day I had canned mackerel, katsup, diet ice cream (and avoid), and METAMUCIL and some type of liquid sweetener (probably dextrose based) to keep my energy going. Oh - and vitamins. And that was the only thing that kept the bulimia away, but I blossomed into anorexia as a source of monastic pride.

Our spiritual and social lives there at the monastery were VERY dysfunctonal......
Being better and more perfect than the older sisters by my prowess at fasting was my only way to hold up under the toxic environment, but after a year's worth of personal sacrifice, I had to abruptly tear myself away due to all the discord going on, huge swaths of acne accross my back from the stress, and then go home to a family totally ungrateful that I had tried to live the religious life in the  first place.

I look back at what I see was my best weight loss diet at the time: near contstant walking every day, deep water oily fish, plant fiber, dextrose, and this metamucil.

I also see that the Gonad-type diet worked for me because I have had, for decades now, something going on back and forth between my adrenals and gonads pointing to my eventual Adrenal Fatigue Sydrome I now have in my perimenopausal years.

But with Adrenal FAtigue has come increased sensitivity to plant and grass proteins.
Rice, spelt, and grains that are "good" for me (and now even Wild Rice - not even a true rice) cause a subclinical allergy in me that eventually cascades into bulimia.

Tonight I'm noticing what the O's have said about Flax being the problem-solver and I'm trying that addition to my diet during my Lenten Pescatarianism to see if there are any positive consequences.   Thank you, O's.........







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Sharon…et al…psyllium is not from bananas…….reread entire thread for details. It's from a weed like herb.
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I was thinking O shouldn't take Psyllium. I can't find it in the "live Right" book, so will look more tomorrow.  


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I know psyllium is an avoid for me.  I took a lot of it years ago when the fellow I see for live blood analysis put me on a regime of colon cleanses.  This was all pre blood type.



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