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de_nogent
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Jenny,

Check out "The Food Combining/Blood Type Diet Solution" by Dina Khader. Don't eat fruit or drink water with protein (15 min before, 45 min after). Fruit can ferment and cause gas when eaten with protein because they require different enzymes and digestion times. Drinking water with protein will dilute stomach acid and inhibit digestion. It works for me. Good luck


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I've just realised that you may be talking about marmite/vegemite here, and not Trehalose?

Well, I started to say that she wasn't talking about TC but thought you would figure it out!!


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I used to love fruit with my meals, but I don't do that anymore. It was not really a conscious decision. I just enjoy fruit a lot more away from my other foods. I'm glad my body has more sense than I do!!


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Thanks Spring and de-nogent for mentioning fruit.
Actually I think I may have got to the bottom of the problem now..
Since an emotional trauma in recent months I have been overindulging in fruit and sugar which is a neutral on my Swami. By overindulging I don't mean bingeing, just the odd snack. I have gone back to my rigid adherence to protocols now, and am fine.
Great discussion everyone.



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Just to clarify, it appears that my system can no longer tolerate any type of sucrose or even fructose...boo hoo. But all the other foods that I tested have come up trumps...yeast products, soy, milk products, peanut butter etc etc.
Imagine living without fruit.?..but I think back to our ancestors who only had fruit in season, and probably not much of it.Anyway, I am feeling quite well now, and doing amazing things for my age such as playing a season in the orchestra for The Magic Flute. Hard work, night after night for 7 productions. Farewell sugar, farewell fruit.Back to reading every last undecipherable word on packets when I want a break from totally homemade food.
(But I am stubborn, and will test veg. glycerine.)



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Yep, it's definitely fruit; I can have a little vg, or even sugar in minute amounts, but the moment I have more than one mouthful of any beneficial fruit, I get gassy again. Never mind, life is still worth living (you bet) without fruit.



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I have no specific issue with trumpeting..  and if the fruit was it so be it.. BUT..

after your concert series, may I suggest that you get to a doctor and at least be tested once for a colonoscopy.. My mom had developed issues with bathroom issues long before she got cancer.. or I think slow growing cancer in the colon finally was making enough problems that she went for tests.

I am actually quit negligent about this advice.. yet I will do what ever it takes food wise to feel better.. IT is easy to be one sided..

As for fruit .. I am coming more and more to the conclusion that eating it alone is better.. seems to make sense also..  and in my case I am now eating:
Proteins /meat, eggs, dairy for me- away from starchy carbs.
If I were to eat starchy carbs - split them 6 hours away from protein meats and cheeses..
Low glycemic watery vegetables any meal in juice form or whatever..
Fruit halved, as a snack hours away from all other foods..Berries might be more powerful.
Drinking is still a problem.. If a glass of wine is allowed, I might dilute it just so I could flavor my water..  
I am getting some tea in,

and I am certain that Trehalose Complex is doing a great job cleaning out debree from head to tow./ it is a good supplement for us older folks with diabetes ~ I am hoping to be the other side of the 50% who  do not get Alzheimer's.. ..  

My experimenting with magnesium is helping not only my head and muscles in big ways, it also finally after several months of taking it, in any form I could.. it is finally sending me to the bathroom.  I am now doing one drop or so of the Mag/gel on my muscle-pained shoulder each day.  I think I am onto something here.. I think since it took soooo many weeks to clean me out, I was really in need of it.  

I THINK MANY are (bathroom) deficient and have no clue.. PUMKINSEEDS is a good defense.. but for a while more might be needed ~ when muscle cramps are on issue.  I think that most likely my colon muscles were so depleted that THEY did not function to move things..  I am coming to believe that internal stagnation and headaches is a sign that one needs Magnesium.

All the best.. to both of us.


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Yep, it's definitely fruit; I can have a little vg, or even sugar in minute amounts, but the moment I have more than one mouthful of any beneficial fruit, I get gassy again. Never mind, life is still worth living (you bet) without fruit.


Goldie mentioned something about this;  I'm also curious if you have tried eating fruit alone, such as first thing in the morning.  I don't eat even a bite of fruit throughout the day, once I've started eating other foods, or I get gassy, so all my diamond fruit intake is first food of the day.



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Though a different blood type, I will weigh in.

Keep in mind I am not yet doing probiotics though that will probably be the next thing I try.

Beans of many kinds, and many greens (especially raw) give me gas. Kale, most salad greens, cucumbers on the rare occasion when I eat them,are the usual culprits. Bok Choy (a bennie) does not, but Kale and leaf lettuce do and they are also beneficials. Even parsnips (which have moved to neutral for me on Swami) do so somewhat. If I were eating them  all cabbage, brussels sprouts, cauliflower would do it.

It seems to me I just don't have the enzymes to digest most of this stuff. Animal protein does not give me any problems, and usually eggs don't either.

Mushrooms (though there are not many I am allowed) don't seem to bother me at all.
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Goldie mentioned something about this;  I'm also curious if you have tried eating fruit alone, such as first thing in the morning.  I don't eat even a bite of fruit throughout the day, once I've started eating other foods, or I get gassy, so all my diamond fruit intake is first food of the day.


It's taken me ages to do this, but I am now having only fruit for breakfast, and I think it is the answer....no more fruit for dessert or even between meals as it probably banks up behind the last meal and starts to 'mature'. Can't think of the word, but I'm sure you know what I mean?



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It's taken me ages to do this, but I am now having only fruit for breakfast, and I think it is the answer....no more fruit for dessert or even between meals as it probably banks up behind the last meal and starts to 'mature'. Can't think of the word, but I'm sure you know what I mean?
Ferment?
Glad you have got to the bottom of this (pardon the pun)
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Actually there is quite a danger in eliminating fruit altogether, even if it saves unpleasant gas experiences at unwanted moments...I think that vit.C deficiency is a serious issue.
Recently I had a period of absolutely no fruit at all because I really wanted to totally eliminate gas, but ended up getting a bloodshot eye three times over a period of about a month; I think I may have been giving myself the beginnings of scurvy!  Now I am taking vit C daily (as well as Vit D) and have a little isolated fruit (away from meals).



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Didn't know bloodshot eyes were a symptom of scurvy? What fruits have high levels of vit C - not oranges, unless tree ripened?! Cabbage is high in vit C apparently
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Have you tried dandelion juice?  I think it might fix loads of issues.. worth a try if you can get them.. Organic I would buy by the case.. strong but powerful for the intestines and body.


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Ok guys. Don't know if correct thread nor have read all thoroughly. But my problem is flatulence really bad due to SIBO a complication of IBS.  Think I have made a healing solution by diet.  Eating 6small meals so tummy  digestion doesn't have to work as hard. Found big time trigger was daile green smoothie.  Made it with 2 fruits, a bundle of celery.  The doc who recommended 6 small meals w/ protein each meal also said 25 carbs per meal. No more. So through trial and error finally figured to cut fruit in smoothi by half down to 1 fruit plus type o protein. That should give me a little peace at the end of the day. Waiting though on strong antibiotic to clear it up, but with change of no more than 25 carbs per meal, I'm hoping to keep the SIBO at bay. Been dealing with this since 2011 and having to be retreated with strong antibiotic every 6 months. Hopefully I have found an at home remedy.  Will let know of progress. Thanks!
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would eat fruits only onto an empty stomach... and then please get tested for bacterial or yeast-overgrowth...


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Hi - if you are having to be retreated with a strong antibiotic every 6 months, that doesn't sound good? Do you use a probiotic to replace the good bacteria?
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yiikes thanx to Possum for the reminder...so far I didn't calculated the intake of antibiotics... ahem yess would you mind to give a try instead to a higher intake of bee pollen called propolis .... this stuff works amazingly likewise a true chemical bombe but hasn't any sideeffects.... we do want to evitate controversal reactions coz of that anti-life issue;).. better to help yourselve with natural products instead of creating a cercle vicieus ...

forgot to mention... a heavy load up with garlic might do the trick as well... but here please go for some days of repetitions .... ok the smell isn't that yummy but who cares if it helps to feel better and to avoid *yeast-reactions* somewhere else .....


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Ok guys. Don't know if correct thread nor have read all thoroughly. But my problem is flatulence really bad due to SIBO a complication of IBS.  Think I have made a healing solution by diet.  Eating 6small meals so tummy  digestion doesn't have to work as hard. Found big time trigger was daile green smoothie.  Made it with 2 fruits, a bundle of celery.  The doc who recommended 6 small meals w/ protein each meal also said 25 carbs per meal. No more. So through trial and error finally figured to cut fruit in smoothi by half down to 1 fruit plus type o protein. That should give me a little peace at the end of the day. Waiting though on strong antibiotic to clear it up, but with change of no more than 25 carbs per meal, I'm hoping to keep the SIBO at bay. Been dealing with this since 2011 and having to be retreated with strong antibiotic every 6 months. Hopefully I have found an at home remedy.  Will let know of progress. Thanks!


Some interesting thoughts for here..

Garlic as mentioned above would make me ill and either throw up, while mom had to run to the bathroom.

6 small meals might be just great, if one is a smoothie with sweet vegetables mixed with greens, cellery can cross over with fruit, but not much else.  

Have you tried Berries? I am allowed Blueberries again, nice..

Smoothies, the word is getting confusing.  Cellery + with pulp or as juice?   I prefere dark green leaves like dandilions, I like the bitter taste.. Is bitter something 'we ' need?  
I prefere smoothies with berries and some Vegetable Juice with ice, to pulp.. I wonder why some like the pulp.. it gags me..

In place of smoothies, one can make a soup on the first day in the slow cooker, and on the second day discard the vegetable and drink the broth for the rest of the week./hot or as cold liquid in 'no pulp smoothies'.. Loads of vitamins are pulled out of the vegetables- and bones if added - that way.

25 carbs per meal.... it would depend on what kind?  The number might be ok, but the type ought to matter greatly also,  what kind are you eating?  

keep the SIBO at bay  Yes antibiotics do seem to feel good every so often, but more importnat is the follow up.  I am allowed certain dairy on my SWAMI I wonder if that dairy would serve to restore my gut.   These diamonds are best for me..  yet I have not really gone there .. I am scared..
Butter
Cottage Cheese
Ghee, Clarified Butter ◊
Manchego Cheese ◊
Paneer Cheese
Parmesan Cheese ◊  I love to sprinkle
Pecorino Cheese ◊
Quark Cheese ...... is as close to Yogurt but I would have to make my own from raw milk????.
Romano Cheese ◊
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Farmer Cheese.... is easier to come by...
Ricotta Cheese
Romanian Urda
  
I wonder how long it takes you to become ill  time wise, months or weeks? what brought it on? or have you had it all your non BTD life?       I ask for another person who is suffering with constant diarhrea..  Do you have advise?  Thanks.


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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One thing I do know is one cause of SIBO is too much sugar. The recommended diet is my SWAMI diet. But I think I really have to clear it up. I had SIBO a couple of years before I started the BTD.  I was treated right before I started the diet and I remained symptom free for a while. But it comes back always.  It seems that I just have to reduce the amount I eat & the carbs I eat. I do use berries in my smoothie. 1/2 cup and 1/4 banana.
I am figuring this out trial and error at home.  
I just have to take it one meal at a time.  As the day goes on, I have to watch the symptoms and adjust the # of servings and the amounts.  Some days I start getting symptoms after my noon meal & then eat sparingly the rest of the day.  That is my latest trial.
I am waiting on the antibiotic treatment to boost my healing & then keep following my meal by meal monitoring symptoms, as well as eating BTD.
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You are 25... you are not diabetic YET.. but a fasting blood sugar test might reveal that you are prone to familar diabetes later in life.

At 25 you may not experience food as I would, but banana in Dr James book was suggested to be a once in a while thing.. I have listened to him in that.

Maybe you should concider that you might really not be able to have fruit, or only once in a while.. OR maybe the dark coolored ones, or orange collored, or never mixe them.  

I suspect that in time to older ages you may be diabetic, and while that thought is miserable, You could make great differences if you considered that to be so....... I wonder if on your Swami, If you entered Diabetes as a family thing, would it answer differently?  

( I was expericncing a case of diarreha at 19 that landed me in the hospital and then I was told that I 'have' diabetes... ==== forget it was my reaction, after I was better again, ... I was fine for 30 more years,but in the back of my mind I eventually learned that my father and brother had diabetes, and I did pervent it for me for some decades by eating low carbs and later BTD.. )  I learned that I am my fathers geneology... I am still fighting the label and the condition, -denial-, yet I know!!!  I know!!!  

I had stomach issues for 32 years.. no labels then, but was 'allergic' to the K factor in milk.. cream was ok.. who knew!  )

Be brave and see what Swami would change if it knew??? print out one copy and then change the entries and then compare line for line... good luck..


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Yes, I am all of the above. I am 59. I am overweight. But have been able to tweek swami diet to lose -7 pounds since Dec. Checked diabetc on swami. Could be pre diabetics. Those numbers are checked bt docs all the time. Am ok so far. Do have high cholesterol.  So have to watch that. Need to eat more turkey.  
But, as far as my digestive issues,  do have IBS. Ii have constipation. Have had upper & lower GI screening. Can't take NSAIDs. Treated for SIBO 3xs so far. I just think it really needs antibiotic to really clear it up.  plus dietary changes that I am now employing taking it meal by meal.   Eating per swami healthy.
Will try this once get antibiotic.  Taking it meal by meal.  Not getting too full as to trigger the gas.
You may be right.  May not be able to eat fruit. Will cut out 1/4 banana & eat lighter colored fruit. But am I willing to do that? Eat no fruit? I guess.  We'll see.
Then  next step -stop grains.? Am I  Willing & able to stop all carbs? I don't know, but will cross that bridge when needed.
Baby steps or should I say caterpillar steps -even smaller than baby steps. But feel these digestive issues will get cleared up with BTD help.
Thanks for your suggestions. Very informative. I could not do this without this support.
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Then  next step -stop grains.? Am I  Willing & able to stop all carbs? I don't know, but will cross that bridge when needed.


Don't confuse carbs with grains.. many root vegetables have carbs, fruits have carbs, carbs are good for us.. Yams or Sweet potatoes are great substitute.. chek first which one..

Grains.. fresh baked breads, oh they smell so nice... but really I only eat grains with something on it.. so why not eat what you put on it with a spoon or a fork.. you will miss the grains much less.  in time it gets easier.. I did say in time.. Walnuts are a great substitute...

Then also some foods I never ate before on my list, now maybe I am able to add some new items.. like the right kind of pepper..

Go with the flow... and know that a cheat here and there is for you to learn what it does to you the same 10 minutes, (hives) or the day after in the belly.. learn and enjoy the learning.

and .. yes you will heal.. promise..  


Being here is invaluable, but not enough. We need ALL the Doctors. I needed them for a very small cancer spot-I could never feel!!! Please do your mammograms! Doing so saved me from cancer later on. I am grateful! Thanks for learning from my experience! I was lucky! I wish the same for YOU!
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