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Jenny
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I'm doing a self-analysis of various food groups to try to identify why this has re-emerged as an issue for me. What I do is totally eliminate something for 2 days in a row, keeping a record of the result. So far I have tested tea, gluten, fruit and mushrooms including quorn. No clear result yet, but I am ever hopeful.



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I bet it is the quorn or any other processed food


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Could be a combination of two foods together as well...

Did an elimination diet, oh about 10 years ago to determine food allergies and I had to eat only three or four foods for a week to get to point 'zero' and test each food for THREE days.
Maybe you'd need to do the same...two days might not be long enough...

You didn't pick up a small bug somewhere that might have compromised your gut bacteria temporarily   ?

Good Luck!

Keep us posted with your progress  
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Flatulence is from undigested food that the bacteria take one last shot at for you. Mushrooms are difficult to digest, chew them well. Gluten is not digestible. Digestive enzymes are helpful for many (plant based). As far as easily available, Enzymedica, to me, is very good quality. I have been through the Loomis training and like their products very much as well.

I've pretty much discovered that dairy is an issue for me at this point.


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please augment your intake of Betain HCL.....


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Your gut flora is still not right. Did you  ever take any gastro D?


  As a diabetic you have probably have gastroparesis your transit time is longer.





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I also use the Enzymedica brand of digestive enzymes, one Digest with each meal, and it helps very much.

As Yvonneb said, "Could be a combination of two foods together as well..."  

I don't strictly follow food combining principles, but there are some foods that I won't eat together or I know I will have digestive discomfort.  It might be worth it for you to look into experimenting with what might affect you in this area.



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thank you so much people...what an amazing list of ideas!

I have written down digestive enzymes,
                               "digest"
                                gastro D
                                Betain HCL
                                enzymedica
and I was also thinking of that drinking thing...angostura bitters.
It's up to me to decide which one to use, probably it will boil down to what I can get in my local pharmacy.



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Deary.. when I take more of the Threhalose Complex then I get some passing air issues.  It comes from mushrooms.. could the mushrooms be the issue in its own right- depending on how much you ate?

What might be in mushrooms that are so cancer fighting?  Could it be a symptom that some thing is happening within FROM what we ate before.. I always come back to look at what I ate before.. where I strayed, and what may be the reason.. invariably I find it is me doing it.

If you went to all Super Beneficials/Diamonds or Beneficials only, (lets say for 2 days) does flatulence and or bloating go away?  

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C-Andrea:   As a diabetic you have probably have gastroparesis your transit time is longer.


The idea that diabetics digest slower is interesting ... can you elaborate?  





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I agree with the combination of foods theory.

Cucumbers help relieve me when I have an upset stomach/gas.  A good probiotic should help with this issue as well as others have suggested.  Culturelle always works for me (the vegetarian one).
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Gas... It can happen from when your digestion is incomplete, but it may be accompanied by smell too. It also happens when bacteria die, so it is often good. I find dieing bacteria doesn't smell though.

Think about when people take the wrong probiotic for them. They feel good for like a little bit, then by the next day fart fart fart.

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The herb caraway (commonly called a seed but actually a mericarp) has long been used to treat various gastrointestinal disorders, including flatulence. Written evidence of this dates back to the Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BC), which has caraway listed first; and, again, it is listed in Pliny’s Pharmacopoeia.

CAUTION: Pregnant women are advised to not use caraway, as Adriane Fugh-Berman, MD, Assistant Clinical Professor of Health Care Sciences at George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Science, states that caraway may have an abortifacient effect; i.e., it may trigger an abortion or induce premature labor.



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The herb caraway (commonly called a seed but actually a mericarp) has long been used to treat various gastrointestinal disorders, including flatulence. Written evidence of this dates back to the Ebers Papyrus (c. 1550 BC), which has caraway listed first; and, again, it is listed in Pliny’s Pharmacopoeia.

CAUTION: Pregnant women are advised to not use caraway, as Adriane Fugh-Berman, MD, Assistant Clinical Professor of Health Care Sciences at George Washington University School of Medicine and Health Science, states that caraway may have an abortifacient effect; i.e., it may trigger an abortion or induce premature labor.

I like this one Conor...will try it, easy peasy. I am taking 2x A type probiotics per day, so that is not what is lacking, unless you think I should be taking 4 or 6.Also taking trehalose at the moment.
I have started two ameliorative factors today which may be helping...lemon juice before or with  all meals, and cooking my muesli into porridge instead of only dry baking it during preparation.
The pregnancy warning always makes me smile wryly.



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I am not surprised if you take Trehalose, at first it creates gas..

I made a post in the Magnesium thread, please read it. It might apply to you also.


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Jenny, good research and the result will be useful to me as well. I now and then get it: mostly one or the other beans. The ones from diary (and meat) are bad smelling too. I also noticed once or twice that one yogurt that I bought from market made me fart with bad smell and I suspect there is some problem the way the yogurt is made, as I have no problems with relatively large quantity of normal yogurt! I also read in one health text book that low iron content in body also leads to farting.



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Quoted from Jenny
The pregnancy warning always makes me smile wryly.
Still significant for the next generations. I wonder if anybody heard about it. I didn't. Will ask my friends and nieces.



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of course Yaeli, the pregnancy advice is very important to those for whom the warning is appropriate.

I am waiting for my annual diabetes testing report and review next week and will discuss the matter with my G.P.,so in the meantime am continuing on with my personal reviewing of advice from all of you; today I went to check the availability of digestive enzymes at a pharmacy and the practitioner mentioned lactaze  (re milk products). So I took 2 lactaze tablets before lunch which had some cheese in it, (I still use yoghurt and compliant cheeses) and seem to have had a better afternoon already. Will not come to any conclusions for another 48 hours, but I sense some progress. Of course being a heavy soy user I am using a lot of beans (ref. Kumar).



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So I took 2 lactaze tablets before lunch which had some cheese in it, (I still use yoghurt and compliant cheeses) and seem to have had a better afternoon already. Will not come to any conclusions for another 48 hours, but I sense some progress. Of course being a heavy soy user I am using a lot of beans (ref. Kumar).


I think you have found your solution, Jenny!



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I am no way clear as to what you ought to focus on food wise, but I am totally convinced that it is the foods you ate..

Would I heed the warnings of Dr D reg Soy? I might the same way: I do not eat chicken at all rater make it turkey.

Yet for now... it's the Trehalose that is causing gas issues. No doubt any which way. it is doing something.. maybe it loosens up old stuff enough for the body to react to, for a time negatively, in this gassy way.

BUT the sound of flatulence is weakness in ALL the muscles (anal, and urinary.............and for that I found most definitely would give the magnesium a long term try. Maybe there is a better way than milk of magnesia, like a tasteless pill.. but I think it is interesting that I never developed diarrhea as all predicted.  

You eat many more grains then I do, so mag need may not apply to you...

One other thought though is that earlier you had the same issue without TC.. so could it be a food you buy like yogurt? or cheeses? could they contain some differences between brands?

could you do beans more washed over night?- sorry I am totally ignorant here..or some other thing.. the reason I suggest it is that FOOD will fix you, and food has made many of us sick!..  

  


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Thanks for all your concern Goldie, and I am sure that many of your insights are true.
I am reminded that my daughter has had lactose intolerance since she was a child (horrid upsets every time she used cow's milk), and handles it now with a product called Lacteeze which is the lactose enzyme. Regarding your suggestion of magnesium I will take it to heart if the present line of thought peters out, but actually I do use many grains, and am highly if not perfectly compliant on my Swami plan. I usually am able to find organic, compliant cheese in my local big international supermarket which also carries some organic vegetables.



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Oh, well......


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Deary.. when I take more of the Threhalose Complex then I get some passing air issues.  It comes from mushrooms.. could the mushrooms be the issue in its own right- depending on how much you ate?

What might be in mushrooms that are so cancer fighting?  Could it be a symptom that some thing is happening within FROM what we ate before.. I always come back to look at what I ate before.. where I strayed, and what may be the reason.. invariably I find it is me doing it.

If you went to all Super Beneficials/Diamonds or Beneficials only, (lets say for 2 days) does flatulence and or bloating go away?  



The idea that diabetics digest slower is interesting ... can you elaborate?  




Goldie, where did you get the information that Trehalose comes from mushrooms? I could not find that in the supplement information.
But I am interested in the idea of mushrooms, and today am working on "yeast" as the possible culprit, which means no more bread, wine, mushrooms, quorn, and anything else that helpful people can give me.
I had thought a few days ago that milk products (ie compliant on my Swami) were the problem as Lacteeze seemed to solve it until I realized that on those days I had also not used bread, wine or fungi.
What a tangle!




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Jenny I had definitely seen that information re mushrooms... as it made me cautious, since mushrooms are not on the explorer list... Might come up in a search
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