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zub
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Hi everyone,

I recently bought the Genotype book and did the tests and assessed I am a Hunter.  However, I also seem to have problems clearing with my liver (eg medications, foods etc) and my explorer tests were very close as well.

A bit about me..I am male, in my late 30's.  I have Ankylosing Spondylitis (arthritis of the spine) and sleep apnea.  (and bad anxiety!) I also have Meniere's disease (vertigo and tinnitus) likely from the inflammation.  Overall these conditions lead to severe fatigue, mostly likely from the arthritis.  This combo also gives me poor executive function in my PFC.  (prefrontal cortex)

My take on my weak liver is from high levels of inflammation.  Overall I just don't know where to start.  Seeing as my scores are close between hunter and explorer, and I seem to fit both descriptions of profiles to a T, should I find a professional who could assess me correctly?  Or should I purchase the Swami Express software, enter Hunter and just go for it?  

Any help would be appreciated!  I'm hoping to regain mental and physical health through diet.  I'm tired of Biologic medications, which lower my immune system and weaken my liver further.
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lets help heal your gut first!

your swami will compute the right GT for you, no worries

did you mention your blood type?

O I presume, right?

welcome


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Hi thanks for your fast reply!

Yes I do have 0 Blood.  I haven't ordered the software yet.  I will order it today then.  So you enter hunter and a bunch of other stuff and away you go?  

I agree about healing the gut.  I believe it can lead to several diseases/disorders, including various psychological disorders.  I recently watched a show on how beasties that set in the bowel (in childhood) can affect you for the rest of your life.  They showed how they resolved a case of autism..by giving a child with a certain kind of antibiotic that targeted a certain specie in the bowel, his autism went away.  But because the eggs of the organism could not be killed, the child's autism came back after ending the antibiotics.

For myself with Ankylosing Spondylitis, my little monster is "Klebsiella". Klebsiella feeds on starch....and when I eat a lot of starch, my disease activity is WAY higher.  So with the hunter diet, I will also have to eliminate high starch items.  I always have fallout though....die off symptoms which makes life unbearable.  I swear they play with my brain chemicals to force me to eat starch!  lol I'm hoping this hunter diet helps with that.

OK so yes I got side tracked.  (a condition of the life I'm living!) lol But yes...the gut and the little beasties in our bowel likely play a huge role in our health.  They are finding more and more as of late that all diseases are caused in the bowel due to an imbalance of bacteria in our bowels...all of which started in childhood.  If a normal balance doesn't happen when we're children, we're in for trouble right away or later in life. Apparently this usually happens when high doses of antibiotics are used as children. I think Parkinson's was the latest to have a similar tie, but with a different organism.

Show (Nature of Things - Autism Enigma) http://www.cbc.ca/natureofthings/episode/autism-enigma.html (Canada only I think)

A good book: http://www.chapters.indigo.ca/.....m.html?cookieCheck=1
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Let the software choose the genotype.

Just enter as much of the data as you can.
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Sorry, but I am going against what everyone else has suggested and would suggest the Arthritis BTD book instead. Yes, it is much more limiting but when I invested in SWAMI it brought back all the inflammation in my neck and yes, I did it right and given the measurements I am nothing but a Hunter. I also clicked all boxes correctly. I even gave it a go two times after "clearing" my symptoms but my inflammation came back and I won't chance it so I won't use it. I am in the minority about SWAMI but because I have so many issues with my body (AI conditions) I think I have to be extra careful. SWAMI let in too many foods that cause inflammation (for me). Wish I could give you mine.
Personally, I know it is no fun with the spinal inflammation so just trying to help out a bit.
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I recently bought the Genotype book and did the tests and assessed I am a Hunter. However ... my explorer tests were very close as well ... Any help would be appreciated!

Hi zub, as Lola already mentioned, let SWAMI determine your GenoType when you're inputting data into the program (you'll see the option for letting SWAMI determine your GenoType). Also, it will be of help to you to find out your secretor status (I only presume you don't know it yet because you've ID'd your blood type and Rh status via the Member Center).

In the meantime, i.e., until your receive your SWAMI Xpress packet, I'd suggest that you compare Hunter and Explorer food lists side-by-side and make your own list of those Superfoods--especially the 'diamond' superfoods--which correspond to both GenoTypes. Eat more of these foods until such time that you have a more definitive food, beverage, et cetera, results from SWAMI.

Fortunately for you, the SWAMI program is just about to receive an update and you'll benefit from Doctor D'Adamo's most up-to-date research. By the way, as SWAMI is web-based, i.e., a server-side application, you don't have to be concerned about client-side software updates and such.

Best of health and success to you.

P.S. Here are some links that include one to PATHbase and others to specific archived threads that might be of interest to you:

For more results, just copy-paste the following into Google's search box: Ankylosing Spondylitis site:dadamo.com

Also, there are a variety of videos at the following YouTube link that will provide further information about body measurements and such for GTD:



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What is food to one man is bitter poison to others. ~ Titus Lucretius Carus

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Thank you for your suggestions.  What is the BTD book?  I think I am still going to give the software a try.  I think for those of us who have arthritis, it is absolutely key to omit ALL complex starches, including cereal, bread, potatoes, rice, pasta etc etc.  You miss them so much...but it's a world of difference without them in terms of TNF levels.  Your blood ESR and CRP will show lower as well.  In terms of what SWAMI outputs, I would avoid anything it suggests that is starchy in nature, even if it is a super food!   Once healing begins (for myself, and when some time has gone by) I can tolerate a small amount of starch (of which I'm hoping to find the right ones via this diet) but I believe it's all in the amount you eat.  Example, eat 1 cookie, you're good to go.  Eat 3, you get a flare up!  lol  So overall the only starch someone like you and I can eat is a monosaccharide....no disaccharide's or polysaccharide's for us!!!  (a sad, lonely world without breads and pasta I know!)

Which arthritis is it that you have?  Might I suggest you go complex starch free?  It sure beats living in pain and taking medications like biologics.  I'm sure you're already familiar with sites like kickas...here is a starch content list from their site.

http://www.kickas.org/ubbthreads/ubbthreads.php?ubb=showflat&Number=143543#Post143543

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Sorry, but I am going against what everyone else has suggested and would suggest the Arthritis BTD book instead. Yes, it is much more limiting but when I invested in SWAMI it brought back all the inflammation in my neck and yes, I did it right and given the measurements I am nothing but a Hunter. I also clicked all boxes correctly. I even gave it a go two times after "clearing" my symptoms but my inflammation came back and I won't chance it so I won't use it. I am in the minority about SWAMI but because I have so many issues with my body (AI conditions) I think I have to be extra careful. SWAMI let in too many foods that cause inflammation (for me). Wish I could give you mine.
Personally, I know it is no fun with the spinal inflammation so just trying to help out a bit.


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Thanks again Lola and Lloyd.

Conor: Interesting information.  I will make the purchase today, especially now knowing it is online as opposed to a disc that comes in the mail.  lol  I also like the idea that there is an update coming.  Who knows maybe he has researched more into things like bowel/arthritis etc etc.

I've ID'd everything (including measurements) through the genotype book I bought, along with the various kits I purchased.  I also bought the secretor test, however have not done the test and submitted it yet.  I should get on that!  I did all this like a year ago, but life events stopped me in my tracks until now.

Taking the superfoods from both explorer and Hunter is an awesome suggestion!  I will do just that.  My bind is that I love my caffeine and chocolate...lol but both make me feel like garbage.  (liver!)

Thanks so much for the info.  (everyone too!) I will get started with this software, do up the superfoods to start and will check out your links.

Good health!

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Hi zub, as Lola already mentioned, let SWAMI determine your GenoType when you're inputting data into the program (you'll see the option for letting SWAMI determine your GenoType). Also, it will be of help to you to find out your secretor status (I only presume you don't know it yet because you've ID'd your blood type and Rh status via the Member Center).

In the meantime, i.e., until your receive your SWAMI Xpress packet, I'd suggest that you compare Hunter and Explorer food lists side-by-side and make your own list of those Superfoods--especially the 'diamond' superfoods--which correspond to both GenoTypes. Eat more of these foods until such time that you have a more definitive food, beverage, et cetera, results from SWAMI.

Fortunately for you, the SWAMI program is just about to receive an update and you'll benefit from Doctor D'Adamo's most up-to-date research. By the way, as SWAMI is web-based, i.e., a server-side application, you don't have to be concerned about client-side software updates and such.

Best of health and success to you.

P.S. Here are some links that include one to PATHbase and others to specific archived threads that might be of interest to you:

For more results, just copy-paste the following into Google's search box: Ankylosing Spondylitis site:dadamo.com

Also, there are a variety of videos at the following YouTube link that will provide further information about body measurements and such for GTD:


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What is the BTD book?

BTD is a forum acronym for Blood Type Diet (you may also see it referred to as ER4YT as Eat Right For/4 Your Type is the name of Doctor D'Adamo's blood type diet book). And, GTD is for GenoType Diet.

Here's a link to Doctor D'Adamo's 'Author's Page' on Amazon (which lists most of the books he's authored, as well):




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I also bought the secretor test, however have not done the test and submitted it yet.

The reason I mentioned your secretor status, as well it being significantly helpful in obtaining the best SWAMI report you can, I saw in PATHbase what Doctor D'Adamo notes re: ABO non-secretors and ankylosing spondylitis.

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ABO non-secretors have a higher incidence of ankylosing spondylitis.

The association between non-secretion and ankylosing spondylitis strengthens the hypothesis that the root cause may be an infection. (1)Certain bacteria are known to precipitate reactive arthritis, and may be connected in the pathogenesis of ankylosing spondylitis as well. Susceptibility to many infectious agents is associated with ABO blood group or secretor state, or both. In one study, the distribution of ABO blood group or secretor status, or both, was determined in 87 patients with ankylosing spondylitis, and 32 with other forms of spondyloarthropathy. The prevalence of non-secretors was significant in the total patient group (47%) and in the subgroup with ankylosing spondylitis (49%) compared with controls (27%). (2)



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Hmmm...I'm reading a lot of posts from AS'ers.  I think we do not get general relief from anything...we go around and around chasing our own tails.  I believe it is a very complex disease and they really haven't touched the tip of the iceburg yet.  The over abundance of Klebsiella is what we really need to eradicate overall..

Sometimes I feel us AS'ers / autoimmune disease may just have to let it go, and simply live with the fatigue and pain that it gives us.  I'm still going to give the program a try though.

I think us autoimmune folks have to take less on too, and accept lower paying less mind intensive work.  Tough world, whilst we are surrounded with an ever growing fast paced lifestyle filled with blackberries, the internet, social media and computers.

Not to bum anyone out!    Sometimes I just want to stop the chase....
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I have Psoriatic Arthritis and my Rheumy suspected AS also. He is a great doctor but unfortunately doesn't believe diet plays a part so I haven't been back lately for further testing. Plus, he keeps trying to push the next level of drugs on me. I looked into natural alternatives when I started reacting to my meds. I lost most of my inflammation on an elimination diet and got off my DMARDs and Celebrex from there. I got a food sensitivity test and a lot carbs came back high for me so I started looking at different diet programs. I was very happy with the BTD Arthritis Book but not with SWAMI it was like starting over trying to figure out what my body agreed and didn't agree with (this was with beneficials not with cheats or neutrals even).
That's the problem with inflammation it comes without mercy and doesn't let up for days. I think in a healthier body it's probably a great program but I hate backpeddling and then waiting and hoping that in time, yes, parmesan cheese or figs are okay because a program says it is. Get the arthritis book from your library to look over.
PS I'll bet you are a non-secretor;). I knew I was before I did the test but was hoping I wasn't.
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Oh, about the fatigue - I am back to doing my HIIT workouts and weights. Check out paleo sites too for recipes and make amendments for what you can eat. It's all pretty basic though (the recipes). I keep searching for stories online for people who are doing it and making it work for them (again, mostly on paleo sites).
For me, I almost think I made it up in my mind how bad it used to be (being so sore and tired) but it really was. Good thing I at least took pictures of my huge swollen hands and I have my slightly crooked fingers to say "yep, it was real and you felt it!". Keep at it.
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Tough world, whilst we are surrounded with an ever growing fast paced lifestyle filled with blackberries, the internet, social media and computers.

I agree with you, in this regard. Just as the first phase of the Industrial Revolution introduced us to a whole host of new health issues, the Second Industrial Revolution (a/k/a Technological Revolution) seems to have exacerbated some of the already existing ones and provided some new ones, as well. Although my childhood environment, i.e., rural, wasn't synonymic to the pre-1750 world, it was one that was much more in sync with nature's universal rhythms. Despite being more urbane in my life now, I know it is still key today that I completely disappear from 'civilization' on regular occasions so as to maintain the balance I find, and crave, in the natural order of things. Unfortunately, in some respects, we are only 40-plus years into this second phase and it does concern me that voices like Doctor D'Adamo's are too often ridiculed and drowned out by the din of those vested in a medical, and commercial, archetype that does little by way of respecting pre-existing natural phenomenon or restoring balance to our world at large.

I hope the best for you in dealing with the challenges you are facing, but never give up hope. There are still mysteries yet to unfold.



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I have fibromyalgia. I have found great releif through diet, but it's not 100%. Learning to accept my limits has also been a HUGE factor in my quality of life. I hurt less when I get enough rest and I hurt more when I'm stressed out. A big part of stress reduction is learning when to say "no" and when to ask for help.

This is the "arthritis book" we're discussing on this thread. http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=ED063S

You may do  better following the food lists in that book rather than the Hunter or Explorer diets. But if you can swing it, getting SWAMI is your best bet, as it's the most individualized. You enter in the measurements you used to determine genotype, along with your health history, and the computer figures out what foods you should eat and which to avoid. It will give you a "genotype label" but the final list will differ from the food list in the book.

Even the book I linked above will give you much more targeted dietary information than generic diet suggestions for your medical condition. If you were a type A with this condition, you'd likely do very poorly without starches in your diet. As an O, you may need to avoid grains and beans for a time, but you may also do OK if you eat small portions of beneficial  grains such as basmati rice or quinoa.


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zub where are you? Sometimes using a professional is the best choice.

Professionals have access to something called SWAMI pro-- and can tweak the diet even further.



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Sorry, but I am going against what everyone else has suggested and would suggest the Arthritis BTD book instead.


swami is all inclusive......


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coffee triggers an insulin resistance cascade.....so best avoided


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Quoted from Lola


swami is all inclusive......


Agreed.

My SWAMI combines BTD and GTD even though it has me at 44% Hunter (it says so in the full length diet report)

Dr.D says himself..."there are probably 7.5 billion [genotypes] - one for every human currently alive on the planet" (p.17 GTD book). We just mainly fall into 6 categories/ archetypes.

So SWAMI definitely does do it all.

Gardengirl, I wonder if you flared up before your body could silence the inflammation genes. Maybe you in particular might need a longer wash-out period   just a thought...
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coffee triggers an insulin resistance cascade . . .

Hi Lola, isn't it the caffeine in coffee that causes blood sugar to rise? . . .

I was just about to post that question but decided to check one other thing. I'm still thinking it's the caffeine in the coffee that causes the insulin resistance, as well as simple sugars one might have ingested along with the coffee, or not?

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Chronic coffee consumption increases insulin resistance, a situation in which the body cannot effectively deliver glucose into the cells of the body. In this situation, insulin, which helps transport glucose into the cells, cannot do its job well because the body’s cells are less receptive. This typically occurs with a diet high in refined sugars and starches. Thus, the body must release ever-larger amounts of insulin to do the job . . . It’s a vicious cycle . . . Insulin stimulates the release of interleukin-6 (IL-6), which is a Th2 cytokine (a cell signaling molecule). If IL-6 is chronically elevated (in this case, from high insulin levels), it may lead to a Th2 dominance and potential hypersensitivity from an overzealous antibody response. This can result in acquired sensitivities to foods and chemicals. Interleukin-6 also stimulates the release of cortisol, which, as a glucocorticoid hormone, increases the body’s glucose level. This leads to an increased demand for insulin, which is problematic because of the insulin resistance that started the cascade in the first place.



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mimics insulin resistance hypoglycemia or some sort of blood sugar issue
Crashing and burning and then...Starting to crave carbohydrates messes w/ the adrenal glands hypertension. Also it causes excess acidity leading to acid reflux.


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Here's what I did I had tomatoes as beneficial, when I checked arthritis it went to avoid.  Eat it anyway, but as soon as I overdo it the pain is back.
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Thank you everybody for all your help.  It is much apprecaited.  

So it turns out I am a secretor!  I'm actually quite surprised with this.

Andrea:  I am located in Toronto, Canada.  I'm thinking I may try the software on my own first, before incurring the cost of a pro.

Conor: I agree with everything you say.  Very interesting points you brought up.  I work In Information Tech myself.  Like yourself I often need to "get away from civilzation.  Sometimes I consider quitting my smart phone, and computers in general!  (and the internet, can you imagine?)  I know this is just executive dysfunction talking...lol

Garden girl: I will most certainly check out some paleo sites.  I'll probably stick with the books to start out....and branch off slowly from there. As you will see below, I think i am going to try your approach first.

SO....

I've been combining the superfoods for hunter and explorer but feel a bit off.  I think first...

1) I will first try the superfood items from the arthritis / fatigue book (very similar) and give that a go for a month. Hopefully I'll get some rest. (and yes Conor and Lola, I will zap the caffeine!)

2) Then I'll input my info into the swami and get a true read. (thanks Yvonneb and Lola and Ruthiegirl and anyone I missed!)

3) As per Kauian, if something is superbeneficial or beneficial in my genotype, I will cross reference and ensure it is not something listed as "avoid" in the arthritis book.

4) Let some time go by...if I feel like a pain ridden, fatigued zombie, I will go back to the basics in the arthritis book.

Of course I will also check the site for food updates.  Does this sound good?  Hopefully I don't change it all.   (executive function) Best wishes to all to be pain free, good health, and full of energy!
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Quoted from zub
I think us autoimmune folks have to take less on too, and accept lower paying less mind intensive work.  Tough world, whilst we are surrounded with an ever growing fast paced lifestyle filled with blackberries, the internet, social media and computers.

Not to bum anyone out!    Sometimes I just want to stop the chase....

I agree with you on this - at least until we are able to heal.  Do SWAMI and follow it and I'm certain that you will heal, although it will probably not always be a pleasant ride.

I've followed this lifestyle for about 6 years now and done a tremendous amount of healing, but I'm not finished yet.  It takes a long time to heal nerves and I've found that most of my problems stem from a fall a long time ago.  If my diet hadn't included so many avoids at the time, I'd probably have healed much easier then...  Oh well!  We have to deal with where we are when we find the answer.  


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Quoted from gardengirl
Sorry, but I am going against what everyone else has suggested and would suggest the Arthritis BTD book instead. Yes, it is much more limiting but when I invested in SWAMI it brought back all the inflammation in my neck and yes, I did it right and given the measurements I am nothing but a Hunter. I also clicked all boxes correctly. I even gave it a go two times after "clearing" my symptoms but my inflammation came back and I won't chance it so I won't use it. I am in the minority about SWAMI but because I have so many issues with my body (AI conditions) I think I have to be extra careful. SWAMI let in too many foods that cause inflammation (for me). Wish I could give you mine.
Personally, I know it is no fun with the spinal inflammation so just trying to help out a bit.

How about a compromise?,,,,let Swami determine your genotype, then using that, follow the Arthritis book for a few months before moving to full Swami protocols?   This is how I approached my Diabetes.




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