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ruthiegirl
Sunday, June 24, 2012, 11:29pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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IMO, a much more accurate "dairy  challenge test" would have been to eat SWAMI diamond cheeses, within the acceptable portion sizes, and see how your body responded to that. If you do well, branch out to beneficial cheeses, then try the netural ones. Of course you don't do well on "avoid" products such as straight milk and ice cream!

Maybe in 6 months or a year or two years, when you're fully healed from this bout of gluttony, you may want to give that a try.


Ruth, Single Mother to 20 yo  O- Leah , 18 yo O- Hannah, and  13 yo B+ Jack


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Quoted from ruthiegirl
Maybe in 6 months or a year or two years, when you're fully healed from this bout of gluttony, you may want to give that a try.


Hey, lighten up!     We were all there once.  We are not the "Food Police" here.  We support and help answer questions.
Remember, "Good, Better, Best."   BTW, ice cream is still not listed on my SWAMI or anyone's for that matter. Shall we visit that road again?  

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I failed my self-imposed dairy test.  Last year my IgG4 blood test did not show any reaction to dairy. That's because I hadn't had any for a long -  long -  long time. I knew from skin tests in the past and allergic reactions I experienced all my life, that I am allergic to dairy of all kinds. But I love milk and ice cream and cheese (my favorite foods since I can't have cola drinks any more) Swami says I can have certain cheeses. 23 and me said I'm likely not lactose intolerant, but still could be allergic to dairy.  So.... I was looking for an excuse to do dairy again . I called it a final test. Well, nothing has changed. I have been eating ice cream, drinking milk and chocolate milk, and eating supposedly beneficial cheeses recently. The results of my new IgG4 blood test came back yesterday. You guessed it. My dairy results showed way up in the avoid column. And most dairy is an avoid on my Swami. Today I decided to finish off the iced cream so it wouldn't go to waste (hehe what an excuse, right?)  Within an hour my pulse went way up, I felt weird in the chest, my legs were so weak I could only walk 8 minutes on the treadmill, even though I had previously (before eating my beloved ice cream) been walking around in stores with no problems. I got a  sinus headache,  congestion, and an ear ache. How much plainer could my body be complaining? So ... I guess this is it. Goodbye dairy, sob, sob. There willl never be any dairy, except for my husband's milk, in the house again. Doesn't seem fair - no gluten, no eggs, no dairy, no lots of other foods. Oh, well. Have to heal my gut. My new breakfast is a smoothie made of steamed greens, apple, beets, and lemon, with a touch of honey. Not bad.


"Put yer big girl panties on and deal with it" (unknown quote?)
NUT MILKS....*hint, hint*......
ADD CRUSHED CALCIUM TABLETS and compliant lecithins if so desired, to increase white-ness and visual foolery...... c'mon now.....

I'm an Explorer too. If I want bulimia and a host of other diseases, yeah I can go back to non-compliant dairies and also court mental illness down the road.Someone just put a post about harmful opioids produced in the brain after ingesting cheese and wheat, and how destructive it is to our brain's "reward pathways.

It really makes me THINK about the role of the type A Explorer in evolution to contemplate how WELL we do with VERY LITTLE DAIRY. It means our guts are flexible in other ways that other GT's are not. Always be proud of who you are.
My gosh - happiness over eliminating yet another item at the grocery store always means saved $$ for something else, too. Now you can get almonds, or soy or what-not, and drink up.


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My main symptom of trouble with dairy is that I have a very hard time giving it up, I get addicted.  If I have any cows milk dairy other than ghee, I begin to crave it all.

A little sheepsmilk dairy doesn't cause that problem, of allowed types.


Type O+ blogger, secretor afterall. Gluten intolerant. With two gluten intolerant sons:  A+ Secretor 10 yo (also fructose intolerant and slightly egg allergic), and  O- 7yo.
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I have a small piece of gouda cheese with my apple everyday as it's a geno harmonic for glycation end product removal and that satisfies my dairy cravings much to my surprise and delight!
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Quoted from Dianne
I have a small piece of gouda cheese with my apple everyday as it's a geno harmonic for glycation end product removal and that satisfies my dairy cravings much to my surprise and delight!


That sounds really good.  And the apple to help digest it.  I've tried cheese this way and it still seems to stop me up.  Which stinks because it never used to.  


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Seraffa said "Put yer big girl panties on and deal with it" (unknown quote?) NUT MILKS....*hint, hint*......ADD CRUSHED CALCIUM TABLETS and compliant lecithins if so desired, to increase white-ness and visual foolery...... c'mon now....."
Seraffa - I have been off dairy for a long time and thought I would give it a test run to see if anything had changed. But, it didn't. After my recent IgG blood test for residual food allergies, (again) the doctor said that the body remembers if you have ever had problems with certain foods in the past but you MIGHT be able to tolerate a little of certain foods after a period of avoidance. Guess not for me with dairy. My Swami compliant cheeses are avoids on my IgG test. I have tried almond milk but I am allergic to the sunflower oil. I made some once but still got a sinus headache. Hemp milk does me the same. Rice milk is a Swami avoid. I already take calcium tablets and eat calcium-rich vegies. I don't need "visual foolery". I've been dealing with severe allergies all my life ... foods, inhalants, meds, chemicals, molds, mildews, pollen, with me and my children. Not really complaining. Just stating facts. I'm pretty used to it by now. Still, it would be nice if I had outgrown a few things.    
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Quoted from D.L.
Still, it would be nice if I had outgrown a few things.

I have "outgrown" the urge to jump out of a car if I'm not driving and the driver pulls up too close to a car at a traffic light or backed-up traffic. The gas fumes used to nearly drive me insane. Of course, since a long time now cars have the recycle option so it isn't so much a problem, but even if we forget to use it, I still don't react anything like I used to do. Anymore, my ears don't pop like they did when I got around mold that wasn't even detectable to other people.

Of course, this is environmental stuff and not reactions to food, but it is an indication of what the right foods and supplements have done that has helped me with this! But I don't react to ice cream the way I used to do, either, for the same reason. Which more than proves to me that the important thing, as Dr. D. has said, is to eat the things that will make us healthy. But some of this takes years to accomplish! Especially when you are an older person, as I am.

I am fighting tooth and nail with groceries right now about trying to sell organic vegetables that are wilted, moldy and even rotten!!!!!   When down the aisle there are beautiful, insecticide ridden, inorganic veggies that are NOT wilted, moldy or rotten selling for nearly half the price!!! I have told them that there is more than one reason why I am so insulted and bothered about this. One is that I would like to see them sell more organic veggies so they will be more available. But rotten, moldy, wilted produce is NOT going to accomplish that because people are not stupid enough to buy it!!!

Start complaining, folks, if you have seen anything like what I am writing about. And MAKE SURE you tell them at the number you call or in the e-mail you send NOT to blame this on the produce depts. at the stores because it is a corporate problem that they need to address immediately!!! We don't want to ruin the health we are trying to preserve and, more times than not, to FIX, with rotten, wilted, stinking food that is costing an arm and a leg!!! You could also mention that selling more fresh, healthy veggies will mean the prices will come down, and they will sell even more! And the problem of veggies sitting around going bad will disappear!

All you have to do is do a search on the grocery stores you want to contact and get the information you need. The one I contacted today thanked me over and over again on the phone for writing and letting them know about this problem. I sent the e-mail today and about 2 hours later they called.


"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid." -- Benjamin Franklin
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I've also tested sensitive to dairy/casein.  Like some of you I periodically try cheese that is on my swami but the Naturopath who I see tells me that my body type is not suited to dairy, I have what she calls a damp constitution (candida/yeast issues).  I used to eat a lot of cheese, yogurt and milk, and found once I got of dairy and gluten a lot things improved. Hayfever that I had since age 3 very minimal to non-existent, no more thick mucus in throat, and joints improved.  But I agree there is something very alluring about cheese and I keep dreaming that maybe one day I can handle cheese and yogurt.  But I think it is a dream
Lin


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