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D.L.
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I failed my self-imposed dairy test.  Last year my IgG4 blood test did not show any reaction to dairy. That's because I hadn't had any for a long -  long -  long time. I knew from skin tests in the past and allergic reactions I experienced all my life, that I am allergic to dairy of all kinds. But I love milk and ice cream and cheese (my favorite foods since I can't have cola drinks any more) Swami says I can have certain cheeses. 23 and me said I'm likely not lactose intolerant, but still could be allergic to dairy.  So.... I was looking for an excuse to do dairy again . I called it a final test. Well, nothing has changed. I have been eating ice cream, drinking milk and chocolate milk, and eating supposedly beneficial cheeses recently. The results of my new IgG4 blood test came back yesterday. You guessed it. My dairy results showed way up in the avoid column. And most dairy is an avoid on my Swami. Today I decided to finish off the iced cream so it wouldn't go to waste (hehe what an excuse, right?)  Within an hour my pulse went way up, I felt weird in the chest, my legs were so weak I could only walk 8 minutes on the treadmill, even though I had previously (before eating my beloved ice cream) been walking around in stores with no problems. I got a  sinus headache,  congestion, and an ear ache. How much plainer could my body be complaining? So ... I guess this is it. Goodbye dairy, sob, sob. There willl never be any dairy, except for my husband's milk, in the house again. Doesn't seem fair - no gluten, no eggs, no dairy, no lots of other foods. Oh, well. Have to heal my gut. My new breakfast is a smoothie made of steamed greens, apple, beets, and lemon, with a touch of honey. Not bad.

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I have a lot of dairy on my swami, but I wouldn't dare eat ice cream! It's got to be packed with avoids unless you are making it yourself, what were you thinking it's quit possible you could have a tiny bit of the acceptable dairy listed on your swami, but not ice cream!


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I add some water to that smoothie. Otherwise it is too dry to blend in the blender.

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I know, grey rabbit. What WAS I thinking? I was hoping I had outgrown it. (Yeah, right). My appetite got the better of my common sense. Won't happen again. All dairy except for some cheeses are avoids on my Swami.  
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To offer support when I was on the very strict Candida diet, my husband, an A-Type, decided to go on it with me. We didn't know anything about the BTD since this was around 1988, but dairy was taboo on the Candida diet. After we had been on it a few weeks, he decided since I wasn't around to have just a serving spoon of ice cream! It wasn't much, but that is when he realized how bad ice cream was for us. He was very embarrassed to tell me later that about ten minutes after he ate it his stomach (in his words) felt like someone had stuck a blow torch to it!! Poor man, he was too embarrassed to mention anything about it, so he had to suffer in silence!

About once a year or so, I might have a taste of ice cream with a taste of a dessert someone in the family is having when we eat out, AND I'm feeling really good, but that is it!! I have not noticed any horrendous effects from it on those rare occasions. Most of the time, none of us want a dessert anyway so I am not remotely tempted by such abominations very often!  


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Ice cream can give all dairy a very bad reputation!    It blows up my stomach like a balloon and makes my tonsils swell up the next morning.  Although, I did live on it for 20 years!  

But all dairy is not like that.  Dr. D's portion and frequency recommendations are given for a reason.  

Blood type B's are "supposed to be able to eat dairy!"  or so my friends who don't understand the real subtle differences between genotypes, will tell me.  Yes, I eat dairy, but I'm talking about 4 Tb of homemade goat yogurt daily, plus 1 or 2 tsp ghee a day.  Once or twice a week, I eat a light ounce of non-aged Manchego, a delicious sheep cheese.  I thrive on this much dairy.  But if I pretended that all dairy was equal, or that I could eat an unlimited amount of it, I would be SO sick!!  



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I'd love to join the "I give up all dairy" campaign, but I know that is just not realistic! Most cow dairy (with the exception of cow feta) doesn't agree with me for more than a small serving...and yet...I still love the stuff!


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Quoted from D.L.
My new breakfast is a smoothie made of steamed greens, apple, beets, and lemon, with a touch of honey. Not bad.


Bit more detail please D.L - I'd never thought of using steamed greens and raw can give me bloat!

Sometimes wish I could give up dairy entirely but parmesan is actually one of my superfoods although I don't eat it often.

I do fairly often eat cottage cheese whisked with flaxoil as per Dr Budwig as I find it very soothing to my digestion and a 'cream' substitute also

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I am happy since I could have some few oz's of quark, (on Swami). Quark (a cross between cottage cheese and yogurt) might be able to make foods that would satisfy old habits or old loves of certain foods. like some type of 'ice cream' like quark with fruit, or chocolate powder and Trehalose for sugar, or some creamy sauce for vegetables.

Other than that I have done well enough letting go of dairy.  The Parmesan, a black dot for me, I do here and there, a sprinkle.  

Dairy is just not worth the weight gain and belly ache for me, because of the food one eats with it, like pizza.. The same with grains, if it was not for the things one adds to it to give it flavor, why eat them, most have little flavor on its own, so I eat the additions with a spoon instead.  





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As a Teacher who supposedly should do well on dairy, I do poorly.  I wonder if raw grass fed dairy
was available to me as my only option, would I be tolerant.  Alas, I can't find raw dairy products
in New York....  When I eat even the smallest portion of cheese or yogurt, for a day
or two I think I'm doing just fine and tolerating it...and suddenly, I find myself addicted to it...hopelessly and uncontrollably having to eat it or else I can't stop thinking about all types of dairy....cheese, which eventually starts me dragging in dairy items with sugar like ice cream. It's out of my control...It becomes an obsession I cannot willfully stop without going cold turkey on dairy....No other food group affects me this way. I grew up as a child drinking milk with every meal....but I had severe acne for most of my teens and young adult life...It absolutely was the dairy that played havoc with my skin, hormones...My mother ate dairy many times every day and often beat the living daylights out of her children.  I never knew her blood type....but dairy obviously made her go violently out of control.  We always had tons of cottage cheese, milk,
cheeses and ice cream in our house growing up.  I gave up dairy for 20 years on the BTD and
noticed my intolerance for it when I tried to eat it as a Teacher. I just can't.

Another issue I have with dairy is severe bloat, constipation, and eventually I'll get hemorrhoids
after a few days.  But the worst is the addiction and even worse is the detox.....It takes me about 4 days to detox from dairy. First comes withdrawal symptoms which starts with irritability., a day later I feel depressed, then two days of exhaustion until I recover.

Dairy to me is a very scary food group....I've had this happen to me over and over again....I should know better than to touch it at all.  I do tolerate ghee...But I too wish to join the club....No more dairy -- EVER!

Both of my A children are dairy intolerant....and so are 3 out of my 4 grandchildren who are type A. One had severe acne, two had asthma.  My granddaughter who had acne, once she gave up
dairy, her skin is perfect...and like me, dairy seemed to cause addiction, then depression upon
withdrawal.  There is something similar in my mother's reaction, mine and this one granddaughter to all dairy.


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I gave up dairy at the beginning of the year and honestly don't miss it any more.  I used to but I do allow myself to have it on occasion (only holidays) and then I can actually tolerate it but if I'm eating it all the time it's not a pretty picture. Added bonus to giving up dairy - my menstrual cramps have significantly decreased.  I used to get horrible cramps, now I don't even need pain killer (as I mentioned in another thread).

Thinking about all the things you have to give up is a trap.  Focus on all the things you CAN have and you will see there's a world of possibilities in these choices.
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Joyce - First I steamed the "young and tender" turnip greens (and put the extra in the freezer). Old ones are bitter and tough. After they were cold, I put some in my blender along with half an apple, several canned beets, the juice of one lemon, 1/2 tablespoon honey, and just enough good water so it would blend. It kind of tastes like applesauce and has plenty of nutrients and fiber. I had some again this morning. It was actually suggested that I use kale, but I used greens instead. I guess I would have to steam the kale first. I tried blending it once before raw and it didn't work.
Chloe - I, too, grew up drinking milk with every meal. That's all Mom would let us drink. No cola or tea. We had ice cream occasionally and cheese quite often. Grilled cheese sandwiches ... yum. (Oh, yeah, there's that gluten again, too). I was always sick with ear aches, sinus, and stomach troubles but we didn't know why back then.
So, here I am giving up all dairy, much as I love it. My husband drinks a lot of milk. The VA says he needs it. Every time I open the fridge, there is that gallon sitting in plain sight calling to me. I just have to tell it "no" and grab my water bottle. He is giving up ice cram, though, and a lot of other foods just for me. He says "Don't even bring them in the house so you won't be tempted". Isn't that sweet? Of course, he is an A, and shouldn't be eating many of the things he grew up on, either, so that's good for him, too.
I've read where people who can't have dairy can still have yogurt, but two minutes after I eat some I get so sleepy that I can't keep my eyes open. Strange, huh?  
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rAw warrior - yes, I have to focus on fruits and vegetables. That's about all I can have. I haven't found any kind of non-gluten grain I can have yet, except rice, which I don't digest well and raises my blood sugar. Most beans I can't digest, either. Bummer. I am trying to eat a little fish, though I don't like it. The smell of chicken or turkey or fish cooking makes me nauseated, but I do eat a little chicken if someone else cooks it. I eat salads, but cannot have bottled salad dressings because of the eggs and vinegar. Too many raw vegies at one time hurt my stomach. I don't eat packaged anything, so don't even go down those aisles in the supermarket. Many of the protein products on my allowable Swami just aren't available around here. Hey, though ... I'm 66 and still around, despite heart trouble and food allergies. Yeah!!!! And still have a sense of humor and determination.
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Thinking about all the things you have to give up is a trap.  Focus on all the things you CAN have and you will see there's a world of possibilities in these choices.


I've found that the best approach for success in all areas of life! Always a good reminder though. Thanks.  

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Hey, though ... I'm 66 and still around, despite heart trouble and food allergies. Yeah!!!! And still have a sense of humor and determination.


How powerful our minds and attitudes are. Without a sense of humour or determination, I would be lost!  So much more to life than just eating, thanks goodness.  

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I, like Victoria, need my superfood dairy.  I mix yogurt with fresh or canned fruit and spices to make desserts...  I use cheeses either as part of a meal or as a snack.  I use ghee for most cooking.  I stay close to the recommendations for me and I do great, while too much or too little leaves me "unhappy".


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I, like Victoria, need my superfood dairy.  I mix yogurt with fresh or canned fruit and spices to make desserts...  I use cheeses either as part of a meal or as a snack.  I use ghee for most cooking.  I stay close to the recommendations for me and I do great, while too much or too little leaves me "unhappy".


Me too, I do well on my swami cheeses.


“Tomorrow is the most important thing in life. Comes into us at midnight very clean. It’s perfect when it arrives and it puts itself in our hands. It hopes we’ve learned something from yesterday.”

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This explains my dairy addiction issues...it's the casein.  I find it odd that a Teacher's SWAMI would
be loaded with cheeses but casein is listed as a toxin.  How is it possible to make cheese and avoid
the protein that's IN cheese, ie, the casein.

I was allergy tested when I was in my 40s...One of my highest reactive proteins was casein...

http://www.danmahony.com/bigfood2.htm


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The only dairy I eat is butter.  OR ghee.  At least for a long while.  Having said that, I'm not against it if it works for you.  Some people do well on it.  It has proved to stop me up to the point that I avoid cheeses.  And cultured dairy just makes me feel awful.  In fact, I had a bite of my wife's "buttermilk" biscuit last week and I paid for it for about a day.  Loose bowls the next day and inflammation.  

You obviously have already been told this, but when you add sugar to any food, it makes it worse.  Much worse.  Like cakes.  Wheat + sugar = really not so good (cake, cookies, etc.).  Milk + sugar (Ice Cream, shakes, etc.) = really not so good.  At least for me, if I eat those types of foods, I'm hurting for certain.  Eat them alone and it's not nearly as bad.  Like wheat without the sugar, is no where near as devastating as adding sugar to it.  You get my point.  


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Our bodies produce natural opiates. Perhaps you (Chloe), and others are sensitive to the casein opiates. I've never experienced cravings after eating cheese, or wheat for that matter. In fact, I really don't remember "craving" anything except sugar, and it wasn't that hard to give it up once I recognized the issue.


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Food addictions would make a good thread, if anyone has enough interest in the topic to start it up.  Probably a lot of people deal with this challenge in their eating - where a food may be allowed but when they eat a little, they can't stop.



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Quoted from D.L.
Joyce - First I steamed the "young and tender" turnip greens (and put the extra in the freezer). Old ones are bitter and tough. After they were cold, I put some in my blender along with half an apple, several canned beets, the juice of one lemon, 1/2 tablespoon honey, and just enough good water so it would blend. It kind of tastes like applesauce and has plenty of nutrients and fiber. I had some again this morning. It was actually suggested that I use kale, but I used greens instead. I guess I would have to steam the kale first. I tried blending it once before raw and it didn't work.


Thx DL - that sounds quite OK - I've been eating well, but gently, steamed kale this week, not sure whether well steamed is more or less digestible  
but must up my game re greens.... lately gone off them altogether but did buy some seeds to sprout, now to sow them!

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Our bodies produce natural opiates. Perhaps you (Chloe), and others are sensitive to the casein opiates. I've never experienced cravings after eating cheese, or wheat for that matter. In fact, I really don't remember "craving" anything except sugar, and it wasn't that hard to give it up once I recognized the issue.


My issues are clearly way beyond  simple "sensitivity". It appears to be total intolerance...as I saw in my mother and oldest granddaughter...There is clearly a component
that impacted our brain chemicals in a very negative way....As for gluten, I had celiac symptoms before I stopped eating all gluten grains 7 years ago.  Haven't touched a speck of gluten consciously since.  But dairy, because it doesn't instantly wreck my gut as gluten always will, and because it was so heavily promoted on my SWAMI, I kept thinking that with time, I'd be able to tolerate a little, eventually.  Gluten is immediately reactive, but dairy has a delayed reaction...takes about 36-48 hours before I know I'm addicted. Another 24 hours and my gut is a mess...but I also feel seriously agitated after 2 consecutive days eating dairy products.  And
someone needs to padlock my refrigerator door or I'd eat a pound of cheese.

This might be an issue with being an A2 that hasn't been explored.  My mother isn't alive but
I'd love to know if my oldest granddaughter is an A2 like me.  What's odd is that on allergy
testing, dairy doesn't rate as being all that reactive for me...  It's casein that is 5+.  

I can take or leave sugar....I've never been negatively impacted by eating it.  And I never really
crave sweet foods, unless I've been eating some dairy.  That's the connection...addiction to
dairy leads to craving sugar.  As a child I lived on dairy and constantly wanted sweets.



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Huh, interesting Chloe.  


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I'm wondering how many Teachers here can actually tolerate dairy?

I mostly have sinus issues flare up when I consume dairy..My nose stuffs up for hours, plus my dark circles under my eyes clear up when I stop consuming dairy. I don't do well on it.
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