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yvonneb
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A quick recap...
I have Ulcerative Colitis, diagnosed since 1998. I followed ER4YT, LR4YT, Genotype and now SWAMI.
I have done really well on all diets, but SWAMI is top (longest remission so far!)

Now I am having a flare up and SWAMI has let me down

While it considers my medical history (Do you have a history of bowel or digestive problems, Do you have a history of allergy or autoimmune problems) it does not cover 'are you having symptoms at present'.
For example...while having a flare up I cannot eat much fibre at all (going to toilet 12 times a day), beef is really a no-no (supposed to promote inflammation) and so would be parmesan cheese (ditto) both a diamond on my SWAMI.
I have been eating all the anti- inflammatory foods: tumeric, ginger, fish, flaxoil (omega 3), pumpkinseeds (omega 6), boswellia, probiotics, garlic & onions.

Unfortunately the protocols in the BT Encyclopedia are not in my budget at present.

What I was hoping for in my SWAMI was a 'tool' to tweak my portions/ diamond foods to allow for an 'actual & urgent problem'.
Using the Arthritis book (also an anti-inflammatory condition) seems like a step back when I have SWAMI.

Same with cancer I suppose... the cancer book is tailored to this particular disease.
Correct me please if I am wrong, but I thought SWAMI is designed to work in the long run?
But what if one has cancer NOW  

PS: I also feel that eating according to SWAMI makes my body run too efficient at present and keeps my immune system way too sharp, the better to attack my gut  
I seem to be doing better with less veg and more rice, BECAUSE I am more sluggish  

Does that make sense??
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Some things are best left to a practitioner.

SWAMI does not substitute for medical care.

So an urgent section means maybe it is best to see a Naturopath for more corrective treatment.

Dr. D just did a lecture at the store in Brooklyn on UC, IBS and Crohns-- specific supplements are needed in these cases.


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Problem is, the more specific you get, the more it becomes a 'medical device'.


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Ultimately, you need to take responsibility for your own health. If that means going to a naturopath, then find the money and time for it. If that means trying to figure it out on your own, then you're the one in charge- don't blame "bad advice on the internet" if it doesn't work.

Tweak portion sizes and frequencies as needed- SWAMI  guidelines are meant for when you're basically healthy, not short-term for dealing with acute issues. You may need to play around to see which foods work. I wouldn't assume that beef and parmesean cheese are inflamatory in your body. They're diamonds for you- they might be healing for you, even though they're "inflamatory in general" on a non-BTD specific list.

I doubt you'll be able to heal fully without using some sort of supplements, although you may not need as many as Dr D reccomends in his protocols. The best thing to do is to see a practitioner who can evaluate you and help you fine-tune which supplements you truly need right now and which ones can wait.


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I doubt SWAMI has let you down....  

You may be cleaning so much junk out of the body that you've had a flare-up, but it may clear up again by continuing to eat per SWAMI...  As others have stated, if you think it is serious enough, it is time to see your Dr., than it is necessary at times to make sure you are still on track.


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Quoted from yvonneb
While it considers my medical history (Do you have a history of bowel or digestive problems, Do you have a history of allergy or autoimmune problems) it does not cover 'are you having symptoms at present'.


Since SWAMI doesn't set its recommendations in stone, why not key in your acute condition JUST UNTIL your condition improves? I don't use SWAMI, so I don't know if you can do that. If you can't, then you just have to follow the knowledge you do appear to be gleaning from other sources.

Feel better!  


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A practitioner who can incorporate the use of Dr. D' Adamo's health knowledge seems to be the best prescription, Yvonneb.

Neither Swami Xpress by itself nor an un-informed practitioner alone is likely to be of much immediate help for you.  As a former long-time IBS symptom sufferer, I hope that you get workable relief of your condition - asap.


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I have been eating all the anti- inflammatory foods: tumeric, ginger, fish, flaxoil (omega 3), pumpkinseeds (omega 6), boswellia, probiotics, garlic & onions.


I for my own body would not eat Garlic.. first of it makes me gag..

but having read about garlick being deadly poison when it enters the blood stream, is enough for me to say: NEVER.. and certainly not for as long as you think you have internal bleeding going on.

as for beef and Parmesan .. you are O .. eat beef three times a day, and Parmesan every other three - 7 days..IS IT EVEN on your list? ......

yet.. vegetables eat all on your list..  and forget all other foods..
there cows go on vacation into the high mountains, to eat clean grasses..
FORGET even a ND.. unless you are in serious discomfort.. ALL of those are not familiar with O's and BTD and Swami.. all they will give you is one size fits all.. that is really all they are allowed to talk about or they will jeopardize their licenses..

and..... you are eating stuff bought made by others .. who knows what all is mixed in..

to heal eat pure foods.. meat and vegetables.. eat as much as you need and several times a day.. I would bet that you will be better in a day or two..

It's not only about anti inflammation, its about not needing to worry?  Parmesan is NOT on my Swami.  what kind of parm? sprinkle dried or fresh grated from Italy or what other factory? It matters after you think about it all.

I once made cheese fondue with American cheeses per the recipe but they ended up with 2 inches of oil laying on top.. would never happen with proper imported cheeses made with mountain nourished cows milk.. big differences..  

There cows go on vacation to the high mountains to eat clean grasses in peace .. think that matters?  

so, in the end stick to swami.. and even sups are not ever as good as food.. I own all to many bottles that have done little for me.. for all sort of things.. Food on the other hand has always healed me.. (or made me sick when I cheat)  


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Quoted from Andrea AWsec

SWAMI does not substitute for medical care.
Dr. D just did a lecture at the store in Brooklyn on UC, IBS and Crohns-- specific supplements are needed in these cases.

I am in medical care as well, but it doesn't incorporate the bloodtype connection- hence I got myself SWAMI. There are no bloodtype naturopathic docs in Ireland...
Would love to get a transcript/ video of that lecture! Will it be available to buy do you think?
Lola, I understand Dr.D's 'medical device' argument, but he did publish books that deal with actual & current health issues, so what's the difference to incorporate info along the same level in SWAMI
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Ultimately, you need to take responsibility for your own health. If that means going to a naturopath, then find the money and time for it. If that means trying to figure it out on your own, then you're the one in charge- don't blame "bad advice on the internet" if it doesn't work.

I am taking responsibility and I don't blame the internet- all I was saying is, that SWAMI could be improved upon and my reasons why I thought that in the first place. I do agree with everybody else here, that it is an awesome tool.
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SWAMI  guidelines are meant for when you're basically healthy

That's what I figured too...
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I wouldn't assume that beef and parmesean cheese are inflamatory in your body. They're diamonds for you- they might be healing for you, even though they're "inflamatory in general" on a non-BTD specific list.
I doubt you'll be able to heal fully without using some sort of supplements, although you may not need as many as Dr D reccomends in his protocols. The best thing to do is to see a practitioner who can evaluate you and help you fine-tune which supplements you truly need right now and which ones can wait.

This is sound advice- Thanks! I like the idea of 'needing right now' and 'able to wait'
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Since SWAMI doesn't set its recommendations in stone, why not key in your acute condition JUST UNTIL your condition improves?
Feel better!  

Thanks San J! That is exactly what I am talking about!
Quoted from paul clucas

Neither Swami Xpress by itself nor an un-informed practitioner alone is likely to be of much immediate help for you.  

Totally agree here, that's why I am bouncing ideas of you guys  
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FORGET even a ND.. unless you are in serious discomfort.. ALL of those are not familiar with O's and BTD and Swami.. all they will give you is one size fits all.. that is really all they are allowed to talk about or they will jeopardize their licenses..

That's my experience too...spend a lot of money in the past to end up with 'take acidophilus 3 times daily' - I am so beyond that kind of advice by now. I am eating this diet for 13 years (that's an estimated 22500 meals!), there's no detox issue/ eating processed foods/ making 'beginner slip ups'... I have been there when I cheated, I have been there when there was an avoid in not self made food, I know what it is like...
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It's not only about anti inflammation, its about not needing to worry?  Parmesan is NOT on my Swami.  what kind of parm? sprinkle dried or fresh grated from Italy or what other factory? It matters after you think about it all.

Worry always matters in chronic gut conditions..recognising and reversing it is the hard bit...
Yup, parmesan is definitely a diamond, lucky me. Luckier me I can get the real italian one in the local supermarket  

Thanks guys for the feedbacks and well wishes- both always helps tremendously!
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I am in medical care as well, but it doesn't incorporate the bloodtype connection- hence I got myself SWAMI. There are no bloodtype naturopathic docs in Ireland...


May want to contact Prannie Rhatigan

http://www.prannie.com/?pagid=274626207&


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County Sligo,     Ireland
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May want to contact Prannie Rhatigan


I might just do that...mind you, Prannie is a MD not a  naturopath- but she does work with the BT Encyclopedia (which I have).

I have met and spoken and done two BTD courses with Prannie- she got me taking Slippery Elm.

This is a few years ago now... so maybe I should contact her again...she has been very busy with her seaweed book- great book btw! Highly recommended!
http://www.prannie.com/
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The treatment regime Seignalet logic of many diseases is the return to an ancestral type of diet, similar to that practiced by prehistoric man.
Hypotoxic regime, ancestral or original are the words used by Dr. John Seignalet qualify for its nutrition.
1) Remove any animal milk (cow, goat, sheep) and their derivatives: butter, cheese, cream, yogurt, ice.
2) Exclusion of mutated grains (wheat, corn, rye, barley, oats) and consumption of cereal non-mutated (rice, buckwheat, sesame).
3) Eat products either raw or cooked to a temperature below 110 ° C.
4) Exclusion of oil extracted in hot and / or cooked in favor of virgin olive oil consumed raw.
5) Consume salt and sugar and have a complete course preference for organic foods that contain less toxic products like pesticides,
6) Finally supplementation with vitamins and minerals in balanced proportions in physiological doses, is recommended to see with your doctor.

This diet is based on a qualitative rather than quantitative choice. This is change their diet rather than trying to substitute one product for another. See why our "Eat That" and our recipes


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I'm not advertising for this diet but many people with serious diseases: autoimmune disease cancer etc. ... have adopted is to stage II after adamo .... because of ill health are also found with this treatment more drastic than adamo but it is indicated as a last resort ....


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Hi yvonneb,
i am not an N.D. or M.D...but am a practicing natural nutritionist..& hugely in favour of the BTD & GTD...(one day hope to do the Dr. Dadamo qualification )
Just something which might just help you is flaxseed tea...have you tried it before?  Flaxseed is a super for O´s... it´s very soothing to the colon & i find it great for all sorts of infammatory and digestive issues. Its so simple and inexpensive to make...

You can make it in 2 ways:
1/4 cup flaxseeds in  1 litre of warm pure water...leave soaking overnight or for 8 hrs...strain and sip/drink throughout the day.
or
2 Tabsp flaxseeds in 1 litre pure water...bring mixture to the boil( be careful it boils over very quickly!) turn off the heat,cover & leave  to cool overnight . The liquid turns quite gloopy, like egg white. Add some of this mixture to warm water ( or to a compliant green juice) and drink during the day or half hour before meals.
These flaxseed teas can be used as a very soothing anti-infammatory enema if you like...(strain the seeds first)

Hope you are feeling much better soon...


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I was re-re-thinking the premise.. and decided that what would make sense, is for some kind of doctor familiar with BTD and its protocols, and NAPs new sups to come forward and take on the responsibility to be able to be contacted with questions like any a person has after being here for a year... IT takes time to learn... and do that for a fee.

BUT!  I see big issues with questions... I wonder if any one of us could formulate a question well enough to get the best answers.. Look at the thread about http://www.dadamo.com/cgi-bin/Blah/Blah.pl?m-1336706162/s-new/#num78  to see just how difficult things can get to get the best answer.. ..... and then there was a mention by one poster who listen end to someone and has gained 18 much needed pounds!!   ----

I wonder if any ONE person could actually answer even the best question?.?.?   SO MIGHT not SWAMI be our best bet WITH communicating here and do the best LEARNING - we all wish to do--- I think we fix a lot more here, than just diet issues.  

..... that in self defense we need it for when we go to a 'regular' doctor who might tell us to eat another diet style!

YET, a person who may not have a year to 'live' needs more than that, then there has to be a  network of available doctors listed in such a way that we could contact them, obviously also for fees.  BUT even then, I think that lots of kicking around here, will serve that person better because the support is constant.

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Do you know seignalet diet ????
The last few posts are not a bad idea for A's lets say, but I wonder about the places where these things are grown. Will the soil be good enough, mineral rich enough, or will transportation time of such foods be short enough so that food value is still inside for those types of food eating ideas.    

For O's this would not work at all as we know here... I feel for the O person who goes that 'diet' routine only to be suffering for the wrong reasons.. I think B's would suffer also, suffer deprivation and suffer for trying so hard (depriving themselves of nutrients and not making progress.  

............and just for kicks.. I am throwing in one more option.. Could it be that by knowing what is sick/hurting/degenerating, then working backward, could we find what CAUSED the issue in the first place - by looking at deep seeded brain/mental messages sent to the body.  

There is at least some conversation that by 'wrongful' interpretations of life situations, the brain/body will get sick in specific ways.  Thus should we also consider 'fixing' things in whole new energy related pathways.. through the brain center, where all healing instructions come from?  

SO: back to Swami.. IF we listed what parts are 'suffering', could we look at what might have caused the degeneration, in addition to Geno -diet changes?? Maybe even 'fix' old familial emotional pain and stop the cycles of illness? .. Some here have done that by switching to Geno/Swami dieting and stopped the sick cycle in their children!! ....

I feel that I am able to change my future health outlook by diet and by healing generational pain.. I think my results with MY diabetes are proof of that kind of thinking in 'completeness' by including my brain as 'part of' in healing me....        




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The treatment regime Seignalet logic of many diseases is the return to an ancestral type of diet, similar to that practiced by prehistoric man.
Hypotoxic regime, ancestral or original are the words used by Dr. John Seignalet qualify for its nutrition.
1) Remove any animal milk (cow, goat, sheep) and their derivatives: butter, cheese, cream, yogurt, ice.
2) Exclusion of mutated grains (wheat, corn, rye, barley, oats) and consumption of cereal non-mutated (rice, buckwheat, sesame).
3) Eat products either raw or cooked to a temperature below 110 ° C.
4) Exclusion of oil extracted in hot and / or cooked in favor of virgin olive oil consumed raw.
5) Consume salt and sugar and have a complete course preference for organic foods that contain less toxic products like pesticides,
6) Finally supplementation with vitamins and minerals in balanced proportions in physiological doses, is recommended to see with your doctor.

This diet is based on a qualitative rather than quantitative choice. This is change their diet rather than trying to substitute one product for another. See why our "Eat That" and our recipes


Re. 1- only one of these on my food list is ghee, for the SCFA's
Re. 2- doing that, very little amount per day though
Re. 3- have been steaming, so easier digested. Fibre is NOT good in a flare up   when in remission, I am eating lots of raw food in summer, cooked food in winter though
Re. 4- doing that
Re. 5- not really doing that, organic is not in the budget right now  
Re. 6- doing that

Wonder if this compliance is good enough  

I'll rad up more on this diet, it certainly looks compatible with Dr.D's   Thanks!


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Just something which might just help you is flaxseed tea...have you tried it before?  Flaxseed is a super for O´s... it´s very soothing to the colon & i find it great for all sorts of infammatory and digestive issues. Its so simple and inexpensive to make...

Hope you are feeling much better soon...


Thanks!! This is great! Definitely trying that- have lots of flaxseed in the house as I grind it to go on and in a variety of dishes. Have been staying away from it during the flare up, because of the fibre...
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Great post, Goldie!

Certainly enough food for thought there...

I have been looking for the last 13 years for 'the straw that broke the camels back' and have come to the conclusion, that it has to be more than one straw...

To clarify...for me to stay in remission I have to keep a sharp eye on 5 straws:
- sleep
- work (don't do too much/ don't get carried away)
- eating (especially watching out for wrong oils and binders in 'not self cooked' food)
- chewing/ eating in mental peace
- stress levels (even 'good' stress)

Any ONE of these go wrong, it compounds and down I go the slippery slope...
My problem is, that when I feel well, I think I can relax some of the rules, I get tempted to push the limits because I am so fed up with 'being good' ALL the time.

And when I am unwell I want the best and fastest way to get back on an even keel without having to resort to taking pharmaceutical drugs.

I am thankful that my condition is not likely to kill me anytime soon

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Juicing might be a good way to get the nutrients of raw veggies when your system isn't up to the fiber.


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