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Patty H
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I posted an earlier thread, Explorer vs. Hunter and decided to run my SWAMI Xpress as an Explorer.  The report is actually fascinating and makes me wonder why I am typed as a Hunter.  Dr. Nash thought for sure I would be an Explorer, but the SWAMI Pro and my SWAMI Xpress both typed me as Hunter.

Anyway, on the part of the report, "What Makes You a GT4 Explorer:"  I have no idea what the things under "Strength Testing, Second Pass" mean.  Here they are below, copied from the report.  Hopefully someone can enlighten me:

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Strength Testing, Second Pass
•     MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI SN(N) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
Ridge patterns asymmetrical to blood group /Characteristic of Explorer.


In reading through the report, I can understand why Dr. Nash was sure I would be an Explorer.  I have a radial loop on my left index finger and an whorl on my right index finger.  Two different index fingerprints are a hallmark of Explorer, although it appears it is more common to have a radial loop and an ulnar loop.  Regardless, radial loops are fairly rare and mine is on the index finger.

The report also goes on to say that Explorers often have SNP's in several of the genes that are involved in detoxification.  This is also true in my case.

Also, I know from genetic testing that I am a slow acetylator, which is also characteristic of Explorer.

The report talks about iron storage disease and I know that I am a carrier for an iron disease, Hemochromatosis, although I do not have the disease.

Finally, I am not sure how my rare blood antigen would fit into this since SWAMI Express does not allow me to input my MN status as NMg.


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Finally, I am not sure how my rare blood antigen would fit into this since SWAMI Express does not allow me to input my MN status as NMg.


Neither SWAMI GenoType or SWAMI Xpress allow an entry of NMg. However with SWAMI GenoType there are more entries than SWAMI Xpress to customize the diet of people with NMg, if the practitioner knows what those needs are.


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Anyway, on the part of the report, "What Makes You a GT4 Explorer:"  I have no idea what the things under "Strength Testing, Second Pass" mean.  Here they are below, copied from the report.  


That means that in SWAMI the determination of the epigenetic superfamily of individual is a multi step process.

Include in the second step of determining a client's epigenetic superfamily is the consideration of Myer-Briggs and finger print ridge patterns.



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..makes me wonder why I am typed as a Hunter.... SWAMI Pro and my SWAMI Xpress both typed me as Hunter.

Anyway, on the part of the report, "What Makes You a GT4 Explorer:"  I have no idea what the things under "Strength Testing, Second Pass" mean.  Here they are below, copied from the report.  Hopefully someone can enlighten me:



In reading through the report, I can understand why Dr. Nash was sure I would be an Explorer.  I have a radial loop on my left index finger and an whorl on my right index finger.  Two different index fingerprints are a hallmark of Explorer, although it appears it is more common to have a radial loop and an ulnar loop.  Regardless, radial loops are fairly rare and mine is on the index finger.

The report also goes on to say that Explorers often have SNP's in several of the genes that are involved in detoxification.  This is also true in my case.

Also, I know from genetic testing that I am a slow acetylator, which is also characteristic of Explorer.


If you look at the reports for Hunter it will explain why the software determined you were Hunter.

If you feel that the software and Dr. Nash is in error, you can always use the diet you generated with SWAMI Xpress set to explorer and see if it works better for you.


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That means that in SWAMI the determination of the epigenetic superfamily of individual is a multi step process.

Include in the second step of determining a client's epigenetic superfamily is the consideration of Myer-Briggs and finger print ridge patterns.



Ah - Myer-Briggs!  That is the part I did not understand.  Thanks, C Sharp!


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Neither SWAMI GenoType or SWAMI Xpress allow an entry of NMg. However with SWAMI GenoType there are more entries than SWAMI Xpress to customize the diet of people with NMg, if the practitioner knows what those needs are.


What might the particular needs be of a person with NMg or just Mg in general?  Any idea?  I assume not a lot is known about the minor blood types, but maybe I am wrong.


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why would you be running a swami express if you have had a swami pro ran by Dr Nash?


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What might the particular needs be of a person with NMg or just Mg in general?  Any idea?  I assume not a lot is known about the minor blood types, but maybe I am wrong.


I think NMg has only a minor impact on diet recommendations, So if were running SWAMI GenoType, I would have just selected MN.  But I have less expertise than Dr. Nash.


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If you look at the reports for Hunter it will explain why the software determined you were Hunter.

If you feel that the software and Dr. Nash is in error, you can always use the diet you generated with SWAMI Xpress set to explorer and see if it works better for you.


It's not that I feel Dr. Nash or SWAMI is wrong, it is just that she was so sure I would be an Explorer and she was really surprised when I typed as a Hunter.  Given the fact that I have a lot more information about my genetics now, I am wondering if Explorer makes more sense, at least for the time being, while I am going through chelation therapy.  My understanding of the Explorer diet is that it is engineered for continuous detox and methylation, but maybe I am mistaken.

I really am pretty amazed at all the common traits I have with Explorer, particularly the radial loop, given how rare that seems.  What is your take, C Sharp?

Here are the things that types me as a Hunter:

CALCULATOR POINTS:

  • Torso to leg ratio - legs longer than torso, although according to both my measurements and Dr. Nash's measurements, my upper leg is longer than my lower leg, which is characteristic of Explorer.

    Ring to Index Finger Ratio - although this is characteristic of Explorer as well and on First Pass is characteristic of Explorer in women.

    ABO Blood Type - Characteristic of both Hunter & Explorer

    Non- Secretor - Characteristic of both Hunter & Explorer


FIRST PASS - HUNTER

  • Andric upper leg space

    White lines on fingerprints

    Incisor shoveling - Characteristic of both Hunter & Explorer

    Prop Super Taster - Characteristic of both Hunter & Explorer


STRENGTH TESTING - HUNTER

  • Ethnicity

    Lab Reports - sed rate/free radicals

    Wrist circumference


The First Pass things on Explorer that are not mentioned above are:

FIRST PASS - EXPLORER

  • Brachycephalic cranial index

    Index finger ridge pattern asymmetry


I think from these lists you can see that I have strong characteristics of both Hunter and Explorer.



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It's not that I feel Dr. Nash or SWAMI is wrong, it is just that she was so sure I would be an Explorer and she was really surprised when I typed as a Hunter.  Given the fact that I have a lot more information about my genetics now


call her, and ask if she can add the' whole lot of more information about your genetics' that you have now.......bet you she ll be enthused  


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call her, and ask if she can add the' whole lot of more information about your genetics' that you have now.......bet you she ll be enthused  


I think you are right about the fact that is is time to run a new SWAMI Pro or whatever it is called now.  My fear is that I have so much information that it will cost me an arm and a leg to have her review it all    


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I have always used what SWAMI calculates.

This is in part do to my experience of following my two other possible GenoTypes from the book and comparing them with the diet created by SWAMI. It was so much better, I had no desire to go back to anything that was more like the diets form the GenoType book, which did not work for me.

I do sometimes compare the diet list of a forced epigenetic superfamily with the one calculated by the software.  But that is for curiosity rather than because I intend to change the diet plan.  Not always, but most often the diet plans are fairly similar.


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My fear is that I have so much information that it will cost me an arm and a leg to have her review it all    


you have nothing to loose by asking

tell her you now have relevant information, and let her do the deciding if important, not you


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I must say this is just so fascinating!! Patty H., nobody can say that you haven't fought your way through a huge cloud to get where you are. I really would be leaning toward following your thinking on this - for a while anyway.

My diet is rather simple for me. I simply go according to SWAMI except on those things that make my stomach hurt, etc., and those I simply leave off - for now. That is pretty  straightforward. But I gather your body and/or mind is telling you something just doesn't seem right, and maybe you need to listen for a while. Aside from that, though, I'm like Lola about Dr. Nash being glad to look at this again! I think she would too. As for the cost, just ask!!


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I have always used what SWAMI calculates.

This is in part do to my experience of following my two other possible GenoTypes from the book and comparing them with the diet created by SWAMI. It was so much better, I had no desire to go back to anything that was more like the diets form the GenoType book, which did not work for me.

I do sometimes compare the diet list of a forced epigenetic superfamily with the one calculated by the software.  But that is for curiosity rather than because I intend to change the diet plan.  Not always, but most often the diet plans are fairly similar.


Is there ever a circumstance where a practitioner decides to override SWAMI - such as the need to detox heavy metals?

I printed out the Explorer plan and it is fairly similar, much to my surprise.  The diet in the book for Explorers seems so very different than the printout from SWAMI.


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I printed out the Explorer plan and it is fairly similar, much to my surprise.  The diet in the book for Explorers seems so very different than the printout from SWAMI.


With both explorer and hunter diets you probably had a 45% fit or something. The other 55% SWAMI adjusted to fit your needs. Your needs were the same in both your SWAMIs so although they may have started from a different place place (superfamily) they ended up with fairly similar conclusions.


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Is there ever a circumstance where a practitioner decides to override SWAMI - such as the need to detox heavy metals?


Yes.

I generally adjust SWAMI for specific allergies, religious restrictions, nutrient deficiencies, and medication interactions (SWAMI GenoType allows you to put common medications in--including Heavy Metal chelators-so I use the built-in settings when present-so I do not have to think).

People with more expertise than me are probably throwing more switches and overriding more defaults than I do.





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Is there ever a circumstance where a practitioner decides to override SWAMI - such as the need to detox heavy metals?


that is precisely what Dr N diagnosed you with, among other, no?


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that is precisely what Dr N diagnosed you with, among other, no?


Hi Lola, I meant for GenoType.  Yes, though, Dr. Nash did the Urine Metals Test at my request . . . and that has certainly put me on a new and challenging path  


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I must say this is just so fascinating!! Patty H., nobody can say that you haven't fought your way through a huge cloud to get where you are. I really would be leaning toward following your thinking on this - for a while anyway.

My diet is rather simple for me. I simply go according to SWAMI except on those things that make my stomach hurt, etc., and those I simply leave off - for now. That is pretty  straightforward. But I gather your body and/or mind is telling you something just doesn't seem right, and maybe you need to listen for a while. Aside from that, though, I'm like Lola about Dr. Nash being glad to look at this again! I think she would too. As for the cost, just ask!!



as always, Spring, thanks for your continued support        


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you have nothing to loose by asking

tell her you now have relevant information, and let her do the deciding if important, not you
Very good advice here, imo.



My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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My son is definitely an Explorer and he has a whorl on his left thumb and an radial loop on his right.

I would bet the farm he is an Explorer.  Since my wife is also an Explorer it is a natural epi-genetic fit.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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My son is definitely an Explorer and he has a whorl on his left thumb and an radial loop on his right.

I would bet the farm he is an Explorer.  Since my wife is also an Explorer it is a natural epi-genetic fit.


I remember you recommending I find out my Haplogroups when you heard I had a radial loop.  I have found out both Haplogroups and are wondering if there is anything that would help me better understand things.  I don't think know anything about the significance of the different Haplogroups, so I would love for you to expand on this thought, Paul.


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This is very interesting to read but I imagine very frustrating to live.  I hope you find your answers.
I have learned a lot just reading...didn't know Myer-Briggs was used in GTD/swami and didn't know
whorl on left thumb and an radial loop on right meant something...I've got a pair of those too.
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This is very interesting to read but I imagine very frustrating to live.  I hope you find your answers.
I have learned a lot just reading...didn't know Myer-Briggs was used in GTD/swami and didn't know
whorl on left thumb and an radial loop on right meant something...I've got a pair of those too.


I'm learning about this stuff every day!  Got to keep that grey matter active.  


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