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Enobattar
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In ER4YT Ezekiel bread is mentioned and listed.  In GT it is not and also on my SWAMI it is not.  But Essene/Manna and 100% sprouted whole wheat is.

Anyone have a clue?


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Ezekiel and Essene/Manna are very different products.  If you eat both of them once you will never mistake the two of them they are very distinctive.

Essene is a heavy bread. Loafs have no yeast, are baked a long time at low temperature. The loaves feel like bricks. They are just mashed up sprouts formed into a loaf and shoved into the oven. May be from a single sprouted grain or a mixture.

The important thing about Ezekiel is that it is a mixture of sprouted grains and beans.  It is leavened, so the loafs are lighter and feel more like a loaf of whole grain bread.  The most common leavening agent is yeast, but some recipes use other agents.  Usually the sprouted grains and beans are dried out and ground into flour before making Ezekiel bread (this is not done in Essene bread).

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For unlisted products (actually for listed products as well), read through the ingredients on the label to determine compliance.

On Ezekiel, be sure to look for whether there is added wheat gluten in the product you are buying.


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Thanks, C_Sharp.

I wonder why Ezekiel bread was reccomended so much in ER4YT and not once mentioned in GT???  That should mean that Ezekiel Bread (which I can find in my local store) is a Neutral for all GTs.

Again, let me restate.  If Ezekiel Bread was a Beneficial for every blood type in ER4YT, then, in LiveR4YT it is listed mostly as a neutral for all except a Beneficial for AB and a restricted for A non; why no mention whatsoever in GT?  Either it was a clear omission by mistake or it is ??????  There is no explanation other than that that makes sense to me.

My reason for pursuing this answer is because it would be nice to be able to buy a prepared bread that I like when I do not have the time to make from scratch.

Forgive my ranting.


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Ezekiel bread is a brand name food product controlled by a corporation.

Since the first edition of ER4YT came out, a decision was made to move away from rating commercial products, to rating ingredients.  Intentional omission.

You can determine the rating of any commercial product based on its ingredients. The opposite does not work.

Commercial products also change formulations.  Ezekiel bread is an example of this the formulation of the product changed.  There is no rating in any system for the product that is currently being sold.  There is a rating for the product as it was sold in 1997.


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not once mentioned in GT???  That should mean that Ezekiel Bread (which I can find in my local store) is a Neutral for all GTs.


No.

That is not the way the system works.

For a product with ingredients, you look at the rating of every ingredient and use the rating of the ingredient with the lowest rating.

The neutral only applies to foods that are not rated. This might be a species of fruit, fish, ... that happened to not be rated.

Then it is only treated as neutral until we try it and can determine based on our reaction whether it is determental to our metabolism


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in genotype it is clearly stated

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Flaxseed Bread (containing allowable
grains)


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Essene, Manna Bread


in the genoharmonics as well, so I make those from scratch


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Quoted from C_Sharp
On Ezekiel, be sure to look for whether there is added wheat gluten in the product you are buying.


The grocery where I used to buy Ezekiel bread carries several varieties but every single one contains gluten. People have told me that they have found it in other places, though, without gluten. To be honest, though, the pancakes I make and use for all sorts of things taste a whole lot better than any Ezekiel bread! And is a whole lot cheaper.


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Flaxseed bread isn't mentioned in the food values. Would it be a beneficial for A blood types?
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Flaxseed bread isn't mentioned in the food values. Would it be a beneficial for A blood types?


It is mentioned in GenoType and SWAMI.

But actually whether it sis rated or not you have to look at the individual ingredients to determine its rating.

In a composite food like bread, look up each ingredient.

If it is ground flaxseed, olive oil, baking soda, lemon juice, and eggs its fine.

If it is Whole wheat flour, flaxseed meal, cottonseed oil, sugar, yeast its an avoid.


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It is mentioned in GenoType and SWAMI.

But actually whether it sis rated or not you have to look at the individual ingredients to determine its rating.

In a composite food like bread, look up each ingredient.

If it is ground flaxseed, olive oil, baking soda, lemon juice, and eggs its fine.

If it is Whole wheat flour, flaxseed meal, cottonseed oil, sugar, yeast its an avoid.


Thanks. Yea that is what I do for sure. I just got back from shopping and the Spelt bread had whole wheat Flour in it. I did find a cheaper Sprouted Grain bread though, it still has "organic wheat gluten" in it, but as little the amount of glutens I have, it shouldn't have an effect.

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I see Ezekiel bread is OK for O-type secretors, but isn't even on the list for Nonnies.  I'm still waiting on my test results, but I suspect I may be a Nonnie.  No Ezekiel bread for me?


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I see Ezekiel bread is OK for O-type secretors, but isn't even on the list for Nonnies.  I'm still waiting on my test results, but I suspect I may be a Nonnie.  No Ezekiel bread for me?


With all prepared products you need to check the ingredients.

The formulations of most Ezekiel breads have changed since the blood type lists were developed.

So if you are looking at a product with added wheat gluten it is not same as what is rated in the list.  Wheat gluten is an avoid for both O secretors and nonsecretors.



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With all prepared products you need to check the ingredients.

The formulations of most Ezekiel breads have changed since the blood type lists were developed.

So if you are looking at a product with added wheat gluten it is not same as what is rated in the list.  Wheat gluten is an avoid for both O secretors and nonsecretors.



I think I'm going to stop eating it anyway.  It's so dense and hard from being frozen that it's hardly desirable anyway.


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I think I'm going to stop eating it anyway.  It's so dense and hard from being frozen that it's hardly desirable anyway.


Dense sounds more like Essene bread than Ezekiel.


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Ezekiel unfortunately in the US has become a trademark......food for life began this hype and now adds added gluten to the mix


learn to make your own, to be on the safe side


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Ezekiel unfortunately in the US has become a trademark......food for life began this hype and now adds added gluten to the mix


learn to make your own, to be on the safe side


I think that's the brand I bought.  I threw the rest away.


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