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Patty H
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I have been contemplating my Hunter genotype lately and wondering if it is accurate.  The reason I am wondering is that after having 23andme testing, my genes show that I am someone who does not clear toxins well.  This is certainly confirmed by my toxic levels of lead and mercury along with a few other heavy metals.  It also showed that I do not clear alcohol or most drugs well either.

Despite having changed data to incorporate my haplogroup and that I am coffee sensitive, my genotype continues to come up Hunter.  I am sensitive to certain perfumes, but not all scents.

This is puzzling to me.  Can my Hunter genotype be so strong as to override my inability to clear toxins?


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You are a Hunter who has trouble clearing toxins.  
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I haven't had all the testing you have but just on the genotype markers from the books I have a strong mix of hunter and explorer.  I think the inflamation factor of hunters might override the toxin sensitivity of explorers since both diets are supposed to be organic and grass fed and would remove most toxins anyway.  That's just me guessing though.  
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Patty: AS I recall your hunter status was determined by Dr. Nash using the SWAMI GenoType software. In this software the labels are unimportant and for the most part can be ignored.

Dr. Nash should have configured the software to meet your needs.

If a practitioner thinks that software incorrectly determined a person epigenetic superfamily (the software uses Epigenetic Superfamilies because that better describes how the categories are used in the software than GenoType does. ) The practitioner can override the epigenetic superfamily determined by the software if an explorer superfamily would better meet a clients need.

If I thought a client need different settings for detoxing, I would not change the epigenetic superfamily results, but instead change other settings, such as the Epigenetic Worldview.

If you do not think you are getting the right results with the SWAMI diet, talk to Dr. Nash and she can adjust the settings to emphasis detoxing if that is what you need.


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Quoted from Patty H
I have been contemplating my Hunter genotype lately and wondering if it is accurate.  The reason I am wondering is that after having 23andme testing, my genes show that I am someone who does not clear toxins well.  This is certainly confirmed by my toxic levels of lead and mercury along with a few other heavy metals.  It also showed that I do not clear alcohol or most drugs well either.

Despite having changed data to incorporate my haplogroup and that I am coffee sensitive, my genotype continues to come up Hunter.  I am sensitive to certain perfumes, but not all scents.

This is puzzling to me.  Can my Hunter genotype be so strong as to override my inability to clear toxins?


I am the same. I have qualities of both.
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Patty: AS I recall your hunter status was determined by Dr. Nash using the SWAMI GenoType software. In this software the labels are unimportant and for the most part can be ignored.

Dr. Nash should have configured the software to meet your needs.

If a practitioner thinks that software incorrectly determined a person epigenetic superfamily (the software uses Epigenetic Superfamilies because that better describes how the categories are used in the software than GenoType does. ) The practitioner can override the epigenetic superfamily determined by the software if an explorer superfamily would better meet a clients need.

If I thought a client need different settings for detoxing, I would not change the epigenetic superfamily results, but instead change other settings, such as the Epigenetic Worldview.

If you do not think you are getting the right results with the SWAMI diet, talk to Dr. Nash and she can adjust the settings to emphasis detoxing if that is what you need.


Oh - you mean SWAMI does not run on autopilot, and still needs configuring by professionals? *eye-opener*  


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Oh - you mean SWAMI does not run on autopilot, and still needs configuring by professionals? *eye-opener*  


There are two SWAMI versions: SWAMI Xpress where Dr. D. is the autopilot flipping the switches for you and SWAMI GenoType where you visit a practitioner who configures SWAMI and adjusts the settings in SWAMI GenoType to meet the needs of a particular client.


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I have been contemplating my Hunter genotype lately and wondering if it is accurate.  The reason I am wondering is that after having 23andme testing, my genes show that I am someone who does not clear toxins well.  This is certainly confirmed by my toxic levels of lead and mercury along with a few other heavy metals.  It also showed that I do not clear alcohol or most drugs well either.

Despite having changed data to incorporate my haplogroup and that I am coffee sensitive, my genotype continues to come up Hunter.  I am sensitive to certain perfumes, but not all scents.

This is puzzling to me.  Can my Hunter genotype be so strong as to override my inability to clear toxins?


Patty - I am an Explorer and my husband a Hunter, there is not a lot of difference in our foods. He gets red meat 1X more than me & a little less grain. Compare for yourself by doing an Explorer Swami to see the difference. And also, choose detox for genoharmonics.  

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I score pretty high as a Hunter, but am (very) caffeine sensitive, am bothered by perfumes and other smells that some people don't even pick up on, can feel tipsy from a glass of wine, and don't suspect I clear toxins all that well.


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Patty: AS I recall your hunter status was determined by Dr. Nash using the SWAMI GenoType software. In this software the labels are unimportant and for the most part can be ignored.

Dr. Nash should have configured the software to meet your needs.

If a practitioner thinks that software incorrectly determined a person epigenetic superfamily (the software uses Epigenetic Superfamilies because that better describes how the categories are used in the software than GenoType does. ) The practitioner can override the epigenetic superfamily determined by the software if an explorer superfamily would better meet a clients need.

If I thought a client need different settings for detoxing, I would not change the epigenetic superfamily results, but instead change other settings, such as the Epigenetic Worldview.

If you do not think you are getting the right results with the SWAMI diet, talk to Dr. Nash and she can adjust the settings to emphasis detoxing if that is what you need.


Hi C Sharp - the funny thing is, Dr. Nash was sure I would type as an Explorer because of my rare blood antigen and my unique fingerprint - a radial loop - on my left index finger.  At the time of my visit, we did not know about my metals toxicity or my issues with methylation.


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Patty - I am an Explorer and my husband a Hunter, there is not a lot of difference in our foods. He gets red meat 1X more than me & a little less grain. Compare for yourself by doing an Explorer Swami to see the difference. And also, choose detox for genoharmonics.  



Hi Dianne,

Good idea!  Maybe it is time for another visit to Dr. Nash or at least a phone appointment.


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I score pretty high as a Hunter, but am (very) caffeine sensitive, am bothered by perfumes and other smells that some people don't even pick up on, can feel tipsy from a glass of wine, and don't suspect I clear toxins all that well.


I am not really sensitive to caffeine or wine, but I certainly can relate to the other things.  I have a very strong sense of smell.  Many perfumes don't bother me, but some I cannot tolerate at all.


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I am not sure but I thought Explorers have a different torso to leg length ratio.  If your waist is high and your legs are long you are a Hunter.
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I am not sure but I thought Explorers have a different torso to leg length ratio.  If your waist is high and your legs are long you are a Hunter.


That makes sense, Sahara, but like I said, Dr. Nash did my measurements and she was sure I would be an explorer . . . puzzling . . .


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I am not sure but I thought Explorers have a different torso to leg length ratio.  If your waist is high and your legs are long you are a Hunter.

Finding Genotype per the book is different than SWAMI...  The book uses only 3 parameters, while SWAMI incorporates all of the information entered...  If the amount of information corresponding to 1 genotype outweighs another - even 1 of the three used in the book, SWAMI can switch you to the other...


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Patty - I am an Explorer and my husband a Hunter, there is not a lot of difference in our foods. He gets red meat 1X more than me & a little less grain. Compare for yourself by doing an Explorer Swami to see the difference. And also, choose detox for genoharmonics.  



Dianne, aren't the meat choices really different for an Explorer?  As I recall it was stuff like goat and mutton rather than beef, etc.


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I thought so, too that the meat choices are different between Hunter and Explorer.  Are Explorers high in red meat?
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Wow to change genotypes, how exciting.
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aren't the meat choices really different for an Explorer?  As I recall it was stuff like goat and mutton rather than beef, etc.

Per the book it changes some, but this doesn't mean that it would (or wouldn't) change significantly when a change occurs in SWAMIXpress...  

Remember that to change genotypes in the book, you may have to change 1 of 3 or 4 values.  In SWAMIExpress, there are many more values affecting the results, so even though the Genotype family changes, the food lists may not change that much.


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I thought so, too that the meat choices are different between Hunter and Explorer.  Are Explorers high in red meat?


Not as essential as for hunters, but still helpful.  Helps with anemia and gives explorers good energy.

Beef is a diamond for hunters and neutral for explorers.  Lamb is a diamond for explorers.  Fat is not so much an issue for hunters, but is a big strain on explorer liver function.
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Not as essential as for hunters, but still helpful.  Helps with anemia and gives explorers good energy.

Beef is a diamond for hunters and neutral for explorers.  Lamb is a diamond for explorers.  Fat is not so much an issue for hunters, but is a big strain on explorer liver function.


Wow, Easy E, that's really interesting about the fat.  I am an APO E4/3, which means I have a difficult  time breaking down dietary fat.  

Can you give me some more info on explorers?


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Dianne, aren't the meat choices really different for an Explorer?  As I recall it was stuff like goat and mutton rather than beef, etc.


My husband & I get the same types of meats (beef, goat, lamb, vennison), poulty (turkey, ostrich, chicken & more) & a few fish the same...

The Explorer diet as per the GenoType Book is pretty darn grim. SWAMI takes into consideration all that ABJoe spoke of, as well it incorporates the BloodType and Geno Type diets. I'd be hard pressed to eat from the GTD book...that is unfortunate that of all the Geno Types in that book, the diet in it would discourage anyone from following it. Where on earth would you get quail eggs from!?   When SWAMI pronounce me an Explorer, I was in total shock and almost burst into tears,  . Then I thought, well let's take a look at the report and diet and it kept getting better and better. I was so relieved and it fits well with my husband, the Hunter which makes life easier.
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Wow, Easy E, that's really interesting about the fat.  I am an APO E4/3, which means I have a difficult  time breaking down dietary fat.  

Can you give me some more info on explorers?


Explorers can be slow with breaking down toxins, chemicals, and fats.  I just remember from reading the GTD book that Hunters and Nomads tend to not have problems with breaking down fats, whereas Explorers and Gatherers should eat leaner meats, and the liver can be strained with too much fats to break down (esp explorer).  If the liver is strained and overwhelmed, then allergies, and other things can set in easier.

What is APO E4/3?  Is it an enzyme thing?

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The Explorer diet in the Genotype book is a massive compromise designed to be suitable for the great variety of Explorers.  Explorers are inherently weird in a number of different ways, so sensible rules that cover most Explorers are difficult to say the least.

Explorers seem to have the exercise and protein requirements of Hunters, but because of the liver/anemia susceptibility need to maximise the diversity of protein sources.  If I ever get to the point where my metabolism is great, I plan to experiment with strictly rotating protein sources to see what that does for the metabolism.

Type O Explorers can expect to be eating beef on a regular, but lower, frequency than Hunters, with no detriment.  Remember this is not a practitioner recommendation - I am just an amature with an opinion.


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The Explorer diet in the Genotype book is a massive compromise designed to be suitable for the great variety of Explorers.  Explorers are inherently weird in a number of different ways, so sensible rules that cover most Explorers are difficult to say the least.
Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
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Beef and Lamb are diamonds on my swami but I feel better when I eat the lamb. But I eat more beef cause I like its taste better. They both satisfy me longer then any other food source it seems and I crave them more too!



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Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
Dr. D' Adamo chose the best compromise.

This is why we should encourage the Explorers we meet here on the board to get on the Swami diet.  Swami opened up my food choices and made it possible to lose weight - for me it was worlds better than both the BTD and the GTD.

The scale leaves you with no doubt as to the effectiveness of what you are currently doing.



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There are two SWAMI versions: SWAMI Xpress where Dr. D. is the autopilot flipping the switches for you and SWAMI GenoType where you visit a practitioner who configures SWAMI and adjusts the settings in SWAMI GenoType to meet the needs of a particular client.


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In SWAMIExpress, there are many more values affecting the results, so even though the Genotype family changes, the food lists may not change that much.


How bizzare that sounds.....perhaps this was what people were trying to "get at" when I would ask them "34% hunter and 38% (whatever) ......you're a mix of BOTH?"
Ok now I can see the relevance!   AHA!


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This is why we should encourage the Explorers we meet here on the board to get on the Swami diet.  Swami opened up my food choices and made it possible to lose weight - for me it was worlds better than both the BTD and the GTD.

The scale leaves you with no doubt as to the effectiveness of what you are currently doing.



And NONNIES.

Okay!!  


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Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )


That would explain why I have the power yearnings of an O with the meandering nomadic habits of a B and the obsessions of an A. ITS ALL WIERD!  


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Beef and Lamb are diamonds on my swami but I feel better when I eat the lamb. But I eat more beef cause I like its taste better. They both satisfy me longer then any other food source it seems and I crave them more too!


After 40 days of A vegetarianism......I ate goat bellies instead of lamb, and lost weight immediately. Yet I always think of lamb first, goat second, and goat does for me what lamb does for YOU?  (It's wierd.....wierd.....wierd......)


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We all are unique and a collection of all those who came b4 us in our journey. We are viruses that have beat the odds and survived. The more you learn the the more you want to know. I believe I read that Dr. D. would have liked to break the explorer category into 4 different diets but the publisher wanted to keep it simpler for the public so he compromised. That was when it clicked for me that we are all unique in some ways and it is not rigid as I was imagining which makes perfect sense because evolution is clearly random caused by good viruses making slight changes in our evolution.What's amazing is how minute the differences are and it is easy to see why it has taken man so long to understand it.



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Patty,
Did you try to run the swami with explorer as an override?  It may change the lists slightly and you could see
if it makes sense to your tastes.
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Patty,
Did you try to run the swami with explorer as an override?

As I recall, Paula, Dr. Nash ran her SWAMI in the office.


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oh, not a swamixpress, sorry....thx, Joe....
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I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
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We all are unique and a collection of all those who came b4 us in our journey. We are viruses that have beat the odds and survived. The more you learn the the more you want to know. I believe I read that Dr. D. would have liked to break the explorer category into 4 different diets but the publisher wanted to keep it simpler for the public so he compromised. That was when it clicked for me that we are all unique in some ways and it is not rigid as I was imagining which makes perfect sense because evolution is clearly random caused by good viruses making slight changes in our evolution.What's amazing is how minute the differences are and it is easy to see why it has taken man so long to understand it.
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As I recall, Paula, Dr. Nash ran her SWAMI in the office.


Actually, I do have a SWAMI Xpress.  I purchased it about two months before I decided to go see Dr. Nash.  I think it is a good idea, Paula.  I have run it several times adding new information as I received it, but it always types me as a Hunter, no matter what I add or change.


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How bizzare that sounds.....perhaps this was what people were trying to "get at" when I would ask them "34% hunter and 38% (whatever) ......you're a mix of BOTH?"
Ok now I can see the relevance!   AHA!
In Swami-land the Genotypes stop being mutually exclusive locations and become directions of approach.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Paula O+ recommended I run my SWAMI and override Hunter Genotype, which I did.  The results are very interesting.  I am beginning to think that maybe Dr. Nash should have gone with her gut.  I am going to post some of the info from my Explorer SWAMI, but it may not all fit in one post.  I have a question about a couple of things and hope that someone knowledgable can chime in.  From my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:

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Although GT4 Explorer was not what SWAMI Xpress would have calculated as your exact GenoType, here are the findings which are often seen in this GenoType.

Calculator Points:
•     Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Explorer.
◦     Your upper leg longer than your lower leg.
•     Ring to Index Finger Ratios /Characteristic of Explorer.
◦     Your index-ring finger ratio in asymmetrical to your gender.
•     Your ABO blood type (O) is often found in Explorer GenoTypes.
•     Non-secretor status is a strong marker for Explorer GenoType.
Strength Testing, First Pass
•     Brachycephalic cranial index /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     Incisor shoveling /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     Index finger ridge pattern asymmetry /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     PROP super taster /Characteristic of Explorer.
Strength Testing, Second Pass
•     MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI SN(N) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
Ridge patterns asymmetrical to blood group /Characteristic of Explorer.


What do the Strength Testing Second Pass things mean?


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Part two of my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:


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G6PD is critical to the body because it enables the production of a critical antioxidant called glutathione. In addition to powerful detoxification effects in the liver, glutathione protects red blood cells against damage caused by certain drugs and foods. Explorers often have trouble clearing foreign or man-made chemicals from their blood. This clearing process is called acetylation. Efficient acetylation helps drugs become more effective, and detoxifies cancer-causing substances. GT4 Explorers have problems detoxifying drugs, carcinogens, and various compounds that have been introduced into the environment by artificial means, such as pesticides, fertilizers, and hydrocarbons. Because of these issues, Explorers can be quite chemically sensitive, and often react negatively to the ‘typical doses’ of drugs, antibiotics, and even vitamins and minerals. When using these medicines they should always start with the lowest doses and gradually work their way upward.

If you are an Explorer you can modify the genes that cause poor detoxification in your own lifetime -- but even better, you can take steps to change the forecast for generations to come. With the right diet and lifestyle for your GenoType, you can be caretakers of both the young and the old. Perhaps you will be surprised to find out that food sensitivities and toxicity are best treated by the proper foods for one’s body, not just avoiding the wrong ones.


This is really fascinating because I am really high in mercury and lead and extremely low in glutathione.  I have been supplementing with glutathione for months now after testing showed I don't clear toxins.  I even had to go off the bio-identical hormones because I was not clearing the estrogen.


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I ate red meat as per what a hunter should use.  It was all lean, but it was a bit excessive.    

My diet should have some red meats and recommended game meats (maybe 3 to 4 times a week max), more of poultry type meats, and good carbs and plant based foods.

I was trying to eat "pure paleo" for a period of time, but craved and found i needed carb sources for the best energy, plus certain meats.  The explorer diet has more carb sources, esp from wheat, than the hunter diet for sure.  I figure I could do well with even more since I am A.

Exercisewise, I could literally do hunter type exercise 5-6 days a week breaking a good sweat, maybe 7 if bored or stressed.  I also gave up all caffeine sources, which actually has increased my energy levels a good bit, yet have no jitters or anxiety rushes with irritability.  Yet calm gentle exercises also help me and i enjoy them sometimes.

Explorers and hunters are similar in many ways, but explorers are more "out of the box" while hunters follow a more predictable and understandable pattern.  Heck, i use the GTD book as an instruction manual to understand myself!  Finally, it makes sense!
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Patty,
Did your food lists change as an explorer?  Any interesting changes there?
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Quoted from Patty H
Part two of my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:




This is really fascinating because I am really high in mercury and lead and extremely low in glutathione.  I have been supplementing with glutathione for months now after testing showed I don't clear toxins.  I even had to go off the bio-identical hormones because I was not clearing the estrogen.
It is really important when taking bioidentical hormones that you test what is happening with your system.

Disclaimer: I have supported a holistic monitoring method for hormone replacement, and I think the world of it.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Patty,
Did your food lists change as an explorer?  Any interesting changes there?


Not much, Paula.  Some superfoods went to diamonds and visa versa such as beef is now a superfood rather than a diamond and goat is now a diamond rather than a superfood.  Chicken and chicken eggs and duck went from superfoods to neutrals.  Most of the avoids are still avoids.  I need to take more time to look over the lists a bit more closely.  Opossum went from a neutral to an avoid, but I don't eat opossum.  Beef tongue went from a diamond to a neutral but I don't eat that either.

Quail went from a black dot to a superfood and I do like quail, so that is a big change!  Also, my list of superfood fish is much longer than it was before and  there seems to be a lot of movement in the  fish category.  Catfish went from a black dot to a diamond!!! I love catfish.  Squid/calamari went from an avoid to  a neutral!!!  I love calamari.  Flounder went from a superfood to a black dot.  Eel went from a neutral to a black dot.  I have more dairy foods as an Explorer.  My live foods super foods list is much longer now, too, and the neutral list is much shorter.  Dates went from a superfood to an avoid!  Apples went from an avoid to a black dot.  Anise went from a superfood to a black dot.  I hate anise, so this makes sense.  Caraway went from a neutral to an avoid.  I hate caraway.  Cinnamon went from a neutral to an avoid    I LOVE cinnamon.

So it appears there are some subtle differences and some drastic differences.


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If you look at the GTD book, hunters (and gatherers) have more frequent servings per week in red meats, poultry, eggs, and seafood than explorers.  Perhaps swami differences and blood types effect the frequencies on an individual level.
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I would not want to switch to be an Explorer personally, would not want to give up my meat and fish.
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I would not want to switch to be an Explorer personally, would not want to give up my meat and fish.


Sahara, I ran my SWAMI as an Explorer and I got about the same red meat and even more fish!  Go figure    No need to give up anything.  I'm just not sure what difference it would make.


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Sahara, I ran my SWAMI as an Explorer and I got about the same red meat and even more fish!  Go figure    No need to give up anything.  I'm just not sure what difference it would make.

Patty,

I believe it is because you are a BTO Patty. My husband is a Hunter and I an Explorer and we both get plenty of red meat, fish, poultry. My liver seems to be doing much better the past few months with taking Dr. D'Adamo's Hepatiguard. I did not do well with the Explorer Activator because of the Artichoke Leaf Extract due to no gallbladder. Later I came upon some thread where it was mentioned that this formula is not appropriate if no gallbladder. But the Hepatiguard...is just great, no more pain in the liver area. Happy liver = happy person. Life is so much better when the liver is not sluggish; it does not have the word 'live' in it for nothing.  
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"O Explorer" is much closer to Hunter than "A Explorer".  Genotype modifies the effects and ephamsies of blood type - it does not completely rewrite it.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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It's still not clear to me how you can be an Explorer if your leg length is Hunter.
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Quoted from Dianne

Patty,

I believe it is because you are a BTO Patty. My husband is a Hunter and I an Explorer and we both get plenty of red meat, fish, poultry. My liver seems to be doing much better the past few months with taking Dr. D'Adamo's Hepatiguard. I did not do well with the Explorer Activator because of the Artichoke Leaf Extract due to no gallbladder. Later I came upon some thread where it was mentioned that this formula is not appropriate if no gallbladder. But the Hepatiguard...is just great, no more pain in the liver area. Happy liver = happy person. Life is so much better when the liver is not sluggish; it does not have the word 'live' in it for nothing.  


Glad you are feeling better, Diane!


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It's still not clear to me how you can be an Explorer if your leg length is Hunter.


I am not saying I am an Explorer, I am just wondering if Dr. Nash inputs all the new info I now have, would it push me over into Explorer.  Nothing about me seems to be 100% Hunter.  For instance, my legs are longer than my torso which fits with Hunter, but my upper legs are much longer than my lower legs, which fits with Explorer.  I also have the Radial Loop fingerprint pattern on my left index finger, which is a hallmark of Explorer.  My head is more the shape of an Explorer.  Finally I have a rare blood antigen, which would fit more with Explorer, since Explorers seem to have weird stuff going on.

The reason I am looking at this is because I am toxic in lead and mercury - which would also fit Explorer.


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Quoted from paul clucas
"O Explorer" is much closer to Hunter than "A Explorer".  Genotype modifies the effects and ephamsies of blood type - it does not completely rewrite it.


A explorers still need to exercise regularly and break a sweat though!  The meats don't bother me as long as they are pretty lean.  

When i eat them too much, i crave other types of food.  When i don't get enough, i crave meats. The frequency in the book seems perfect for me as an A explorer.

My mom is a hunter, always wondered how she could eat the "T-rex" pizza at our local pizza place!!  
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I am not saying I am an Explorer, I am just wondering if Dr. Nash inputs all the new info I now have, would it push me over into Explorer.  Nothing about me seems to be 100% Hunter.  For instance, my legs are longer than my torso which fits with Hunter, but my upper legs are much longer than my lower legs, which fits with Explorer.  I also have the Radial Loop fingerprint pattern on my left index finger, which is a hallmark of Explorer.  My head is more the shape of an Explorer.  Finally I have a rare blood antigen, which would fit more with Explorer, since Explorers seem to have weird stuff going on.

The reason I am looking at this is because I am toxic in lead and mercury - which would also fit Explorer.


Some explorers can have longer legs than torsos.  Yea, explorers tend to build up toxins over time, but maybe hunters could build up those too.  I think that heavy metals are not easily expelled from the body, but i do not know much about it.

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I am not saying I am an Explorer, I am just wondering if Dr. Nash inputs all the new info I now have, would it push me over into Explorer.  Nothing about me seems to be 100% Hunter.


Two contradictory points here:

1) I think most of your new information is not used in the equations that determine epigenetic superfamily.  If a item is not in the equation it has no effect on the results.

2) When a person is near the borderline between epigenetic superfamilies it does not seem to take much to flip a person between one GenoType label and another GenoType label.




MIfHI                            I follow a SWAMI diet.
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I also have the Radial Loop fingerprint pattern on my left index finger, which is a hallmark of Explorer.
Although Dr. D' Adamo has never explicitly said so, this may override many other strong considerations in the determination of dominant Genotype.



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Only one way to find out as a health psycho: put in your mouth and swallow. Find some hunter superfoods that are explorer poison or explorer superfoods that are hunter poison and live off of them and see what happens.
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I think that the one factor (as I recall-- it's been a long time since I did the measurements) that made me an Explorer and not a Hunter was my non secretor status...

I find that I crave a bit more lean red meat than I am supposed to have, and I fee better eating beef than lamb-- but I think this is because the lamb we are able to get is fattier than the grass fed beef at our farmer's market, and I seem to be quite sensitive to the fat. When I can get it I really like goat (and also venison), probably because it is generally much less fatty than lamb.

Been looking at the genoharmonic threads and I think I will focus a lot more than I have been on that information.
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Two contradictory points here:

1) I think most of your new information is not used in the equations that determine epigenetic superfamily.  If a item is not in the equation it has no effect on the results.

2) When a person is near the borderline between epigenetic superfamilies it does not seem to take much to flip a person between one GenoType label and another GenoType label.




Hi C Sharp - I am thinking about the genetic info I have.  For instance, methylation is a real problem for me.  Also, I assume I would now be considered chemical sensitive since we know I am toxic in lead and mercury?



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