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Possum
Thursday, April 26, 2012, 10:04am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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The Explorer diet in the Genotype book is a massive compromise designed to be suitable for the great variety of Explorers.  Explorers are inherently weird in a number of different ways, so sensible rules that cover most Explorers are difficult to say the least.
Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
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Beef and Lamb are diamonds on my swami but I feel better when I eat the lamb. But I eat more beef cause I like its taste better. They both satisfy me longer then any other food source it seems and I crave them more too!



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Quoted from Possum
Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
Dr. D' Adamo chose the best compromise.

This is why we should encourage the Explorers we meet here on the board to get on the Swami diet.  Swami opened up my food choices and made it possible to lose weight - for me it was worlds better than both the BTD and the GTD.

The scale leaves you with no doubt as to the effectiveness of what you are currently doing.



My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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There are two SWAMI versions: SWAMI Xpress where Dr. D. is the autopilot flipping the switches for you and SWAMI GenoType where you visit a practitioner who configures SWAMI and adjusts the settings in SWAMI GenoType to meet the needs of a particular client.


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In SWAMIExpress, there are many more values affecting the results, so even though the Genotype family changes, the food lists may not change that much.


How bizzare that sounds.....perhaps this was what people were trying to "get at" when I would ask them "34% hunter and 38% (whatever) ......you're a mix of BOTH?"
Ok now I can see the relevance!   AHA!


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This is why we should encourage the Explorers we meet here on the board to get on the Swami diet.  Swami opened up my food choices and made it possible to lose weight - for me it was worlds better than both the BTD and the GTD.

The scale leaves you with no doubt as to the effectiveness of what you are currently doing.



And NONNIES.

Okay!!  


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Yeah they sure are... I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )


That would explain why I have the power yearnings of an O with the meandering nomadic habits of a B and the obsessions of an A. ITS ALL WIERD!  


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Beef and Lamb are diamonds on my swami but I feel better when I eat the lamb. But I eat more beef cause I like its taste better. They both satisfy me longer then any other food source it seems and I crave them more too!


After 40 days of A vegetarianism......I ate goat bellies instead of lamb, and lost weight immediately. Yet I always think of lamb first, goat second, and goat does for me what lamb does for YOU?  (It's wierd.....wierd.....wierd......)


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We all are unique and a collection of all those who came b4 us in our journey. We are viruses that have beat the odds and survived. The more you learn the the more you want to know. I believe I read that Dr. D. would have liked to break the explorer category into 4 different diets but the publisher wanted to keep it simpler for the public so he compromised. That was when it clicked for me that we are all unique in some ways and it is not rigid as I was imagining which makes perfect sense because evolution is clearly random caused by good viruses making slight changes in our evolution.What's amazing is how minute the differences are and it is easy to see why it has taken man so long to understand it.



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Monday, April 30, 2012, 12:52am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Patty,
Did you try to run the swami with explorer as an override?  It may change the lists slightly and you could see
if it makes sense to your tastes.
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Patty,
Did you try to run the swami with explorer as an override?

As I recall, Paula, Dr. Nash ran her SWAMI in the office.


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Monday, April 30, 2012, 2:38am Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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oh, not a swamixpress, sorry....thx, Joe....
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I sometimes think the Explorer genotype (in particular) would be better split into different bloodtypes...(but I guess that would defeat the purpose of having a GT )
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We all are unique and a collection of all those who came b4 us in our journey. We are viruses that have beat the odds and survived. The more you learn the the more you want to know. I believe I read that Dr. D. would have liked to break the explorer category into 4 different diets but the publisher wanted to keep it simpler for the public so he compromised. That was when it clicked for me that we are all unique in some ways and it is not rigid as I was imagining which makes perfect sense because evolution is clearly random caused by good viruses making slight changes in our evolution.What's amazing is how minute the differences are and it is easy to see why it has taken man so long to understand it.
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As I recall, Paula, Dr. Nash ran her SWAMI in the office.


Actually, I do have a SWAMI Xpress.  I purchased it about two months before I decided to go see Dr. Nash.  I think it is a good idea, Paula.  I have run it several times adding new information as I received it, but it always types me as a Hunter, no matter what I add or change.


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How bizzare that sounds.....perhaps this was what people were trying to "get at" when I would ask them "34% hunter and 38% (whatever) ......you're a mix of BOTH?"
Ok now I can see the relevance!   AHA!
In Swami-land the Genotypes stop being mutually exclusive locations and become directions of approach.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Paula O+ recommended I run my SWAMI and override Hunter Genotype, which I did.  The results are very interesting.  I am beginning to think that maybe Dr. Nash should have gone with her gut.  I am going to post some of the info from my Explorer SWAMI, but it may not all fit in one post.  I have a question about a couple of things and hope that someone knowledgable can chime in.  From my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:

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Although GT4 Explorer was not what SWAMI Xpress would have calculated as your exact GenoType, here are the findings which are often seen in this GenoType.

Calculator Points:
•     Torso to Leg Ratio /Characteristic of Explorer.
◦     Your upper leg longer than your lower leg.
•     Ring to Index Finger Ratios /Characteristic of Explorer.
◦     Your index-ring finger ratio in asymmetrical to your gender.
•     Your ABO blood type (O) is often found in Explorer GenoTypes.
•     Non-secretor status is a strong marker for Explorer GenoType.
Strength Testing, First Pass
•     Brachycephalic cranial index /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     Incisor shoveling /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     Index finger ridge pattern asymmetry /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     PROP super taster /Characteristic of Explorer.
Strength Testing, Second Pass
•     MBI JP(P) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI SN(N) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
•     MBI TF(F) Function suggestive of GenoType /Characteristic of Explorer.
Ridge patterns asymmetrical to blood group /Characteristic of Explorer.


What do the Strength Testing Second Pass things mean?


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Part two of my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:


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G6PD is critical to the body because it enables the production of a critical antioxidant called glutathione. In addition to powerful detoxification effects in the liver, glutathione protects red blood cells against damage caused by certain drugs and foods. Explorers often have trouble clearing foreign or man-made chemicals from their blood. This clearing process is called acetylation. Efficient acetylation helps drugs become more effective, and detoxifies cancer-causing substances. GT4 Explorers have problems detoxifying drugs, carcinogens, and various compounds that have been introduced into the environment by artificial means, such as pesticides, fertilizers, and hydrocarbons. Because of these issues, Explorers can be quite chemically sensitive, and often react negatively to the ‘typical doses’ of drugs, antibiotics, and even vitamins and minerals. When using these medicines they should always start with the lowest doses and gradually work their way upward.

If you are an Explorer you can modify the genes that cause poor detoxification in your own lifetime -- but even better, you can take steps to change the forecast for generations to come. With the right diet and lifestyle for your GenoType, you can be caretakers of both the young and the old. Perhaps you will be surprised to find out that food sensitivities and toxicity are best treated by the proper foods for one’s body, not just avoiding the wrong ones.


This is really fascinating because I am really high in mercury and lead and extremely low in glutathione.  I have been supplementing with glutathione for months now after testing showed I don't clear toxins.  I even had to go off the bio-identical hormones because I was not clearing the estrogen.


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I ate red meat as per what a hunter should use.  It was all lean, but it was a bit excessive.    

My diet should have some red meats and recommended game meats (maybe 3 to 4 times a week max), more of poultry type meats, and good carbs and plant based foods.

I was trying to eat "pure paleo" for a period of time, but craved and found i needed carb sources for the best energy, plus certain meats.  The explorer diet has more carb sources, esp from wheat, than the hunter diet for sure.  I figure I could do well with even more since I am A.

Exercisewise, I could literally do hunter type exercise 5-6 days a week breaking a good sweat, maybe 7 if bored or stressed.  I also gave up all caffeine sources, which actually has increased my energy levels a good bit, yet have no jitters or anxiety rushes with irritability.  Yet calm gentle exercises also help me and i enjoy them sometimes.

Explorers and hunters are similar in many ways, but explorers are more "out of the box" while hunters follow a more predictable and understandable pattern.  Heck, i use the GTD book as an instruction manual to understand myself!  Finally, it makes sense!
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Patty,
Did your food lists change as an explorer?  Any interesting changes there?
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Part two of my SWAMI Xpress Explorer Genotype:




This is really fascinating because I am really high in mercury and lead and extremely low in glutathione.  I have been supplementing with glutathione for months now after testing showed I don't clear toxins.  I even had to go off the bio-identical hormones because I was not clearing the estrogen.
It is really important when taking bioidentical hormones that you test what is happening with your system.

Disclaimer: I have supported a holistic monitoring method for hormone replacement, and I think the world of it.


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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Patty,
Did your food lists change as an explorer?  Any interesting changes there?


Not much, Paula.  Some superfoods went to diamonds and visa versa such as beef is now a superfood rather than a diamond and goat is now a diamond rather than a superfood.  Chicken and chicken eggs and duck went from superfoods to neutrals.  Most of the avoids are still avoids.  I need to take more time to look over the lists a bit more closely.  Opossum went from a neutral to an avoid, but I don't eat opossum.  Beef tongue went from a diamond to a neutral but I don't eat that either.

Quail went from a black dot to a superfood and I do like quail, so that is a big change!  Also, my list of superfood fish is much longer than it was before and  there seems to be a lot of movement in the  fish category.  Catfish went from a black dot to a diamond!!! I love catfish.  Squid/calamari went from an avoid to  a neutral!!!  I love calamari.  Flounder went from a superfood to a black dot.  Eel went from a neutral to a black dot.  I have more dairy foods as an Explorer.  My live foods super foods list is much longer now, too, and the neutral list is much shorter.  Dates went from a superfood to an avoid!  Apples went from an avoid to a black dot.  Anise went from a superfood to a black dot.  I hate anise, so this makes sense.  Caraway went from a neutral to an avoid.  I hate caraway.  Cinnamon went from a neutral to an avoid    I LOVE cinnamon.

So it appears there are some subtle differences and some drastic differences.


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If you look at the GTD book, hunters (and gatherers) have more frequent servings per week in red meats, poultry, eggs, and seafood than explorers.  Perhaps swami differences and blood types effect the frequencies on an individual level.
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I would not want to switch to be an Explorer personally, would not want to give up my meat and fish.
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I would not want to switch to be an Explorer personally, would not want to give up my meat and fish.


Sahara, I ran my SWAMI as an Explorer and I got about the same red meat and even more fish!  Go figure    No need to give up anything.  I'm just not sure what difference it would make.


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Sahara, I ran my SWAMI as an Explorer and I got about the same red meat and even more fish!  Go figure    No need to give up anything.  I'm just not sure what difference it would make.

Patty,

I believe it is because you are a BTO Patty. My husband is a Hunter and I an Explorer and we both get plenty of red meat, fish, poultry. My liver seems to be doing much better the past few months with taking Dr. D'Adamo's Hepatiguard. I did not do well with the Explorer Activator because of the Artichoke Leaf Extract due to no gallbladder. Later I came upon some thread where it was mentioned that this formula is not appropriate if no gallbladder. But the Hepatiguard...is just great, no more pain in the liver area. Happy liver = happy person. Life is so much better when the liver is not sluggish; it does not have the word 'live' in it for nothing.  
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