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san j
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This is a perfect example of our respective individualities.

I have generally done just fine with caffeine in general, though I've often favored green tea daily for its benefits and have been buying/drinking it for almost 30 years. It's generally been my go-to pick-me-up if I need a kick in the afternoon.
But:
I've recently had to face that it isn't working for me these days, while I'm processing Rx drugs that have caused some drowsiness: What DOES work is that wonderful Bsec-neutral: Coffee! So smooth and easy, no jitters or other bad effects. Very nice. And no sleep-depriving effects later in the evening, either.

Trial and error revealed this. Sometimes something is called for, even if it's not our usual solution.


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Quoted from san j
This is a perfect example of our respective individualities.

I have generally done just fine with caffeine in general, though I've often favored green tea daily for its benefits and have been buying/drinking it for almost 30 years. It's generally been my go-to pick-me-up if I need a kick in the afternoon.
But:
I've recently had to face that it isn't working for me these days, while I'm processing Rx drugs that have caused some drowsiness: What DOES work is that wonderful Bsec-neutral: Coffee! So smooth and easy, no jitters or other bad effects. Very nice. And no sleep-depriving effects later in the evening, either.

Trial and error revealed this. Sometimes something is called for, even if it's not our usual solution.


san j, I agree with you completely! This way of living/eating has taught me that each of us is unique in what we need to eat. I'm so happy that you were able to look at what your body was needing & act on it.  



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san j, I agree with you completely! This way of living/eating has taught me that each of us is unique in what we need to eat. I'm so happy that you were able to look at what your body was needing & act on it.  



hopeful18:
I think it would be a mistake to think my body was "needing" coffee.  
There's a difference between what the body "needs" and Simple Pragmatism.
Coffee is, for the moment, what is providing an energy-boost in the afternoon, so I'll go with that while it works, seeing as it hasn't proved bad for This Individual.

And I'm gratified that you're on board the Individuality train.




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San J, good point on what's pragmatic vs. needing. Thanks for the clarification.


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Well, after over a month of only green tea, I fell into the mentality that maybe I'm not caffeine sensitive. Two days ago, I drank a one-shot decaf (organic & Swiss water method), almond milk with honey latte. Within an hour of sipping on it, I started to feel like I had a stomach bug. My symptoms were horrible pains in my stomach, dizziness, exhaustion & a small headache. I also had loss of appetite. This continued for the rest of the day.

The following morning, after my second (same as above) home-made latte, the above symptoms set in, but 10x worse. I barely made it through the day. When my I got home for the night with my kids, I had to lay on our bed without moving for 3 hours while my DH did the night-time routine with our kids alone. I couldn't eat dinner or drink water until 3 hours after I had laid down. I was so sure that I was going to start vomiting with diarrhea at any moment. I didn't. So, I was able to slowly get ready for bed, take some colloidal silver, followed by probiotic powder 30 minutes later. I also took oral arnica for my pain & headache.

Now, it's almost lunch time on the 3rd day & I still feel pretty badly. My stomach keeps seizing up & my bowels are not happy with me. Maybe now I can get it through my head that I will be caffeine sensitive forever.


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Maybe now I can get it through my head that I will be caffeine sensitive forever.


If you've been drinking green tea for a month with no problems, it seems to me your sensitivity is against coffee and not caffeine.



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It sounds to me like maybe it could have been some kind of bug and that it was a coincidence that it occurred when you had the coffee.  Is that a possibiity?  
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Victoria, you have a great point. I just did some quick online research & the black tea that I used to drink has the most mg of caffeine. I'm not sure which one has more, my decaf coffee or jasmine green tea? Either way, your idea definitely seems true.

Jane, I've thought the same thing. Regardless, it's shown me that either the coffee caused this illness or compounded a bug that I got at the same time.


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hopeful18  - If you ever shop at Mountain Rose Herbs, they have a teriffic chai tea that is made with roobios as a base rather than black tea - it's wonderful. I bring it to a simmer in soy milk (of course you can use whatever type of milk you prefer) then take it off the heat and let it sit for about 10 minutes, strain, add sweetener, and voila! It's delicious hot or iced

2 cups milk of choice
1 tablespoon "firefly chai"
1 tablespoon honey or agave syrup

http://www.mountainroseherbs.com/tea_bev/tea_bev.php#ht_t_fc


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chrissyA, it's so good to hear from you! I am thrilled about the firefly chai link that you listed. I'm going to buy it right now! It sounds awesome! I've tried to make my own compliant recipes of it at home & none have turned out good. So, I'm excited to try this! Thank you!


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It sounds to me like maybe it could have been some kind of bug and that it was a coincidence that it occurred when you had the coffee.  Is that a possibiity?  


Jane, you were totally right. I definitely had a nasty stomach bug. It's going around the community that I live it & it was brutal. I'm thankful to be feeling better now.  


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I am caffeine sensitive and my SWAMI moved coffee over to avoids and left green tea as a diamond.  Well, I have noticed now since being very strict 100% compliant the past few weeks that even green tea makes me rather irritable to the point of needing anger management.  It is amazing how sensitive I get while on strict SWAMI.  Goodbye green tea and all caffeinated products FOREVER.
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Adam,
I know what you mean! It does seem that the stricter I am with following my swami the more sensitive I am to avoids! I thought it would be the opposite.
Just curious, did you ever react to black tea the same way you did to coffee and green tea?


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I am caffeine sensitive and my SWAMI moved coffee over to avoids and left green tea as a diamond.  Well, I have noticed now since being very strict 100% compliant the past few weeks that even green tea makes me rather irritable to the point of needing anger management.  It is amazing how sensitive I get while on strict SWAMI.  Goodbye green tea and all caffeinated products FOREVER.

It is possible that the strictness is causing(allowing) the body to expel more waste, which is prompting the issues...  There may be something in the green tea that you need for healing, you may just need less of it to be able to tolerate the symptoms...


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Adam,
Just curious, did you ever react to black tea the same way you did to coffee and green tea?


I don't really remember, it's been a long time ago when I last drank black tea.  I used to enjoy a peach flavored black tea, but I wasn't doing the no wheat thing back then.  I think it's really the lack of wheat that's really doing this.  I seem to be 'on the edge' all the time.  I guess I'm going to be taking GABA on a regular basis now.
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It is possible that the strictness is causing(allowing) the body to expel more waste, which is prompting the issues...  There may be something in the green tea that you need for healing, you may just need less of it to be able to tolerate the symptoms...


You are definitely right about expelling more waste.  It is definitely happening.  I was thinking about having a bit of green tea in the morning, but not steeping it so long.  Good suggestion, ABJoe.
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Good going, Easy E! Great discipline there!
Cristina, I have coffee as a diamond on my swami...guess we are fortunate. I drink it about 2 or 3 times a week and really enjoy it but just prefer tea each morning.
Now, if only I could manage to get black tea as a super? no? ok


I started drinking coffee (black with honey) again.  I thought it was causing me acid reflux problems, but i don't think that was the case.  Coffee seems to be protective for me and works like medicine (thought this even before knowing the btd existed!)

Though an explorer, i would think swami would show coffee as good.  For some reason, black tea does not feel the same way.  I used to put that sweet vanilla cream in my coffee though, so that caused problems.  Black with honey or sugar causes no problems for me.

I was having trouble breaking rebound effects from proton pump inhibitors (could barely eat anything).  Then I took pepcid complete and this helped with all rebound, then after awhile, stopped it, and now the acid reflux is not a problem at all!  

Smoking, lots of beer, and eating poorly caused it, plus lack of adequete exercise.
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Thanks Joe, Adam and EasyE. You all have me thinking about experimenting, again.


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