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hopeful18
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I've been with Dr. D'Adamo since the mid-ninetys.  What has kept me going is what he stated in one of his early books.  As Americans he understands what's out there and how we're tempted.  He helped me by stating that if we only "fall off the wagon" once a week our systems can usually handle it.  A good example of this was of a case history of a Jewish patient in his seventies.  The man was/is a type B and was bedridden when the doctor saw him.  He finally regained his health but only after eliminating chicken from his diet.  It was an ingredient in one of the gentleman's favorite dishes and he ate it quite often.  When his health was recovered, I remember doctor wrote that he told his care giver that she could prepare him that meal once a week.  

Try to remember that this is a life change...not a diet.  Yes, we'll slip now and again, and, sometimes may even go on a multi-day binge.  But as time goes by we come to realize the more we avoid our "Avoids", the better we feel and the healthier our bodies.  Wishing you the best.


Rattabone, thank you so much for sharing what has helped you. The story you shared about the bedridden man who cut his chicken intake down to once/wk. helped me greatly. I've been trying to focus on the strives that I have made towards a higher level of compliance & that helps me to stay more compliant instead of getting down when I go off track. I agree completely that this is a lifestyle change & I won't go back to my old ways of eating!  


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After getting inspiration from those who have replied (thank you all! you're the best!!!) to my question, I bought some Yogi Green Chai tea. I've been steeping it in hot water for 3 min., adding some honey & then some almond milk. Of course, it isn't the same as a Starbucks Chai tea, but it's meeting that need that I have for something warm, milky & spicy after lunch. After more closely inspecting the ingredients, I saw that it has black pepper in it which is an avoid for me. Instead of throwing it out, I'm going to keep drinking it because having only the black pepper instead of the black pepper (which I think is in most commercial Chai mixes) & the yucky additives in the Starbucks Chai is the lesser of two evils. It's been so refreshing to be off the crazy train for the last 2 days. It's so incredible to feel like myself!  


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You're moving in the right direction, Hopeful!  When we give up something we're attached to, it's a kind thing to do for ourselves to replace it with something that is better.  



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You're moving in the right direction, Hopeful!  When we give up something we're attached to, it's a kind thing to do for ourselves to replace it with something that is better.  


Thank you for your kind, encouraging words Victoria!  


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Hi.

I suspected estrogen dominance because I had terrible acne and unbelievable menstrual cramps. In addition, I am Korean. My mother and sisters have A cup boobs. I have DD cups at 5'3"! I am skinny otherwise at 100 lbs and wear juniors for clothes. My flow is super heavy and persists. I would get frequent vaginal yeast infections, too.

The candida cleanse helped a lot but the cramps and vaginal yeast infections disappeared literally after I started using progesterone cream. I noticed that if I drank a lot of coffee and did not drink enough water - vaginal yeast infection! I read that coffee spikes the estrogen levels in Asian women. High estrogen levels can cause yeast infections. In addition, my mouth would swell into a "duck bill" shape when I drank enough coffee (another sign of estrogen dominance). I would also break out into hives.

Being 100% compliant, dropping caffeine (including green tea) and using progesterone cream has really helped my condition. I also tracked when I was shedding hair... it happened to be after my period when my progesterone levels were low and estrogen levels were high. I also limit using cosmetics and use a Dr. Bronner's mixture to wash my hair. I am avoiding all xenoestrogens as much as I can.

I compiled info on estrogen dominance from various sources online. Another hint - if you crave chocolate before your period, it is because you are magnesium deficient which is another sign of being estrogen dominant. I crave dark chocolate but never sugary stuff. I do not crave chocolate since following GTD and taking magnesium supps (Dr. D. found that Bs are especially deficient in magnesium).

http://www.womenlivingnaturally.com/articlepage.php?id=72

http://www.johnleemd.com/store/estrogen_dom.html

http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/183

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Passionprincess, the description of the effects that caffeine has on you match mine exactly. I don't get hungry when I have anything stronger than green tea. But, I also get a weird shakiness like you. I'm also restless. For example, if I'm on the phone, I'll wonder aimlessly around the house instead of doing housework or sitting down.

How do you know that you're estrogen dominant? I've taken several online tests (just questions) that have pegged me as having estrogen dominance also. I was using progesterone for awhile, but stopped because I felt like I could be damaging my hormones since I didn't have a blood test to diagnose this. Also, I totally shed way too much hair! I've never seen a correlation to that & a caffeine-induced estrogen spike. Thanks for sharing because I'll be looking for that now.  



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I recently gave up all sources of caffeine...even tea.  Today is day four and i feel more relaxed for sure.  Caffeine is prob the biggest toxin explorers struggle with (at least this explorer

It raises stress hormones for me.  The first two days, i felt like i could not think and did not want to move.  I have been doing exercise that makes me sweat, so i feel clean, also drinking a lot of water.
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Hi.

I suspected estrogen dominance because I had terrible acne and unbelievable menstrual cramps. In addition, I am Korean. My mother and sisters have A cup boobs. I have DD cups at 5'3"! I am skinny otherwise at 100 lbs and wear juniors for clothes. My flow is super heavy and persists. I would get frequent vaginal yeast infections, too.

The candida cleanse helped a lot but the cramps and vaginal yeast infections disappeared literally after I started using progesterone cream. I noticed that if I drank a lot of coffee and did not drink enough water - vaginal yeast infection! I read that coffee spikes the estrogen levels in Asian women. High estrogen levels can cause yeast infections. In addition, my mouth would swell into a "duck bill" shape when I drank enough coffee (another sign of estrogen dominance). I would also break out into hives.

Being 100% compliant, dropping caffeine (including green tea) and using progesterone cream has really helped my condition. I also tracked when I was shedding hair... it happened to be after my period when my progesterone levels were low and estrogen levels were high. I also limit using cosmetics and use a Dr. Bronner's mixture to wash my hair. I am avoiding all xenoestrogens as much as I can.

I compiled info on estrogen dominance from various sources online. Another hint - if you crave chocolate before your period, it is because you are magnesium deficient which is another sign of being estrogen dominant. I crave dark chocolate but never sugary stuff. I do not crave chocolate since following GTD and taking magnesium supps (Dr. D. found that Bs are especially deficient in magnesium).

http://www.womenlivingnaturally.com/articlepage.php?id=72

http://www.johnleemd.com/store/estrogen_dom.html

http://www.drhoffman.com/page.cfm/183




PassionPrincess,

You've given me a lot to think about. I read the articles you linked & I have many of the estrogen dominant symptoms. This has convinced me to begin using my progesterone cream regularly again. Also, my cramps/heavy flow are way worse when I'm drinking anything with caffeine in it that's stronger than green tea. I was 100% compliant with that for a few months & saw good results, but fell off the wagon. Now, I'm convinced again to stay 100% compliant with this. There are other avoids that don't seem to affect me as quickly & negatively. It's so strange how that all works out for each of us!

Like you, I'm a small person, 5'5" & about 110 lbs. I don't have the big boob problem, although I wouldn't mind it!   I've never struggled with acne. But, the cycle issues & hair loss are something we have in common. I do crave chocolate before my periods. I've been supplementing with Magnesium for about 1 year now, but I still crave it. Weird. I don't give into that craving very often now that I rarely buy chocolate. But, I do want to buy that avoid-filled Starbucks Chai Tea during PMS. Ugh. I feel such high resolve now that my cycle is winding down, but in about a month, it's so hard for me to stay compliant. It's like I lose my ability to reason well. I'm hoping that me taking Fem Balance, Trehalose, Coritguard & Tranquility base will help with all of that.  

Thank you so much for your input!  


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I recently gave up all sources of caffeine...even tea.  Today is day four and i feel more relaxed for sure.  Caffeine is prob the biggest toxin explorers struggle with (at least this explorer

It raises stress hormones for me.  The first two days, i felt like i could not think and did not want to move.  I have been doing exercise that makes me sweat, so i feel clean, also drinking a lot of water.


EasyE, congrats on giving up all caffeine! That's awesome!

Due to the association between Explorers & caffeine sensitivity, I thought I might have been an Explorer. But alas, I'm a Teacher. I'm pretty sure that it raises stress hormones for me too. At this point, green tea doesn't.

When I quiet espresso in October of 2011, I felt like I was dying. It was horrible! Way to go getting past those first though days! Now, just stick to it!  



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Thanks!  Caffeine can trigger allergies and autoimmune conditions, cause indigestion, cause mood imbalances, hormonal imbalances, reduce blood flow to the brain, and others (i saw a clip on you tube.  I'm sure it does different things for different people though, as some people do well with some caffeine.

I have read that it can take awhile for the body to really rebalance itself all the way, so i am excited to see how i feel as the days go on!  I have never given up all caffeine since i was in high school!

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How to Use Progesterone Cream

This site was super helpful. I had read elsewhere that all you needed to do was apply the cream around your 14th day or in sync with the moon phases. WRONG! All it did was prevent ovulation, which made things worse.

I followed the directions on this site and voila - immediate effect!

http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/how-to-use-progesterone-cream.html#axzz1t0IqE16v

Good luck!


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Coffee is a black dot for my genotype. Yet, I know if I were to run SWAMI and indicate estrogen dominance or any other female hormone issues, I am sure it would change to an avoid.

What is good for one genotype might not be good for another. I know that once my hormones get balanced out, I might be able to enjoy this black dot every once in a while without much repercussion.


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Good going, Easy E! Great discipline there!
Cristina, I have coffee as a diamond on my swami...guess we are fortunate. I drink it about 2 or 3 times a week and really enjoy it but just prefer tea each morning.
Now, if only I could manage to get black tea as a super? no? ok


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How to Use Progesterone Cream

This site was super helpful. I had read elsewhere that all you needed to do was apply the cream around your 14th day or in sync with the moon phases. WRONG! All it did was prevent ovulation, which made things worse.

I followed the directions on this site and voila - immediate effect!

http://www.progesteronetherapy.com/how-to-use-progesterone-cream.html#axzz1t0IqE16v

Good luck!


Thank you passionprincess for the link to how to use progesterone cream! I was using it the wrong way. Now, hopefully I can see it work!  



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If you're going to Starbucks because you're craving a specific type of beverage, then making your own at home is a good idea. It probably won't taste exactly the same. What you want is something delicious and satisfying, not neccessarily something that tastes like your old favorite.

But if you're meeting up with friends at Starbucks, you can still join them. Starbucks DOES sell plain green tea. The times I've found myself at a Starbucks with friends, that's exactly what  I got. I had something warm to drink in  a Starbucks cup while chatting with friends eating their Starbucks beverages (and often foods too.) OK, so I paid as much for one cup as I would for a month's worth of loose tea to brew at home, but I didn't feel isolated and I had something healthy to drink that didn't make me feel awful later.


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If you're going to Starbucks because you're craving a specific type of beverage, then making your own at home is a good idea. It probably won't taste exactly the same. What you want is something delicious and satisfying, not neccessarily something that tastes like your old favorite.

But if you're meeting up with friends at Starbucks, you can still join them. Starbucks DOES sell plain green tea. The times I've found myself at a Starbucks with friends, that's exactly what  I got. I had something warm to drink in  a Starbucks cup while chatting with friends eating their Starbucks beverages (and often foods too.) OK, so I paid as much for one cup as I would for a month's worth of loose tea to brew at home, but I didn't feel isolated and I had something healthy to drink that didn't make me feel awful later.


Ruthie, I made my own chai tea at home with no black tea. I went overboard on the spices, so it turned out badly. I'll try it again soon, using less spices, when I can get over how gross it was!

I've gotten the green tea at Starbucks several times too. It's a great idea! I just have to put the crazy cost of one tea bag & hot water out of my head. I tend to think, "if I'm going to pay that much for green tea, I might as well spend $1.50 more & get the good stuff!" Oh, the extent I will go to when I'm addicted to something. But, it is way better to "overpay" for a bene than to "way overpay" for a drink full of avoids for me!

Thanks for your input, I always glean something useful from your posts!  


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I recently gave up all sources of caffeine...even tea.  Today is day four and i feel more relaxed for sure.  Caffeine is prob the biggest toxin explorers struggle with (at least this explorer

It raises stress hormones for me.  The first two days, i felt like i could not think and did not want to move.  I have been doing exercise that makes me sweat, so i feel clean, also drinking a lot of water.


I haven't had a caffeinated drink in over 3 years.  It's probably more like 4.  And I think I'm the better for it.  I even tried some decaf at Panera about 2 years ago and 1/4 cup of it made me feel weird.  Ramped up.  Maybe it's the decaf process.  I don't know.  But even the green tea I buy is decaf.  

I do however, eat a little bit of chocolates some days and don't feel any worse for the wear.  Just like Joe though, it's 70% or above.  And it's not a whole lot when I do eat it.  If I ate a whole or even half of a bar, I think I'd be ramped up again, like drinking coffee.  

Hopeful, you're looking at a 2 latte a day guy.  I did this for a long time.  Some of them were doubles.  I also then switched to chai's.  They seemed a little more soothing.  And then I eventually gave those up too.  I think they add sugar to those at starbucks.  They do taste really nice though.  I love that flavor.  I think it's cardamom, cinnamon, and a few other things.  Some kind of tea and maybe clove?  Victoria must know what's all in it.  I have some explorer traits also.  Even though I'm a secretor.  I've had genetic testing done that showed quite a few problems with my detox system.  Which can make a person sensitive to drugs and certain substances like caffeine.  


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I haven't had a caffeinated drink in over 3 years.  It's probably more like 4.  And I think I'm the better for it.  I even tried some decaf at Panera about 2 years ago and 1/4 cup of it made me feel weird.  Ramped up.  Maybe it's the decaf process.  I don't know.  But even the green tea I buy is decaf.  

I do however, eat a little bit of chocolates some days and don't feel any worse for the wear.  Just like Joe though, it's 70% or above.  And it's not a whole lot when I do eat it.  If I ate a whole or even half of a bar, I think I'd be ramped up again, like drinking coffee.  

Hopeful, you're looking at a 2 latte a day guy.  I did this for a long time.  Some of them were doubles.  I also then switched to chai's.  They seemed a little more soothing.  And then I eventually gave those up too.  I think they add sugar to those at starbucks.  They do taste really nice though.  I love that flavor.  I think it's cardamom, cinnamon, and a few other things.  Some kind of tea and maybe clove?  Victoria must know what's all in it.  I have some explorer traits also.  Even though I'm a secretor.  I've had genetic testing done that showed quite a few problems with my detox system.  Which can make a person sensitive to drugs and certain substances like caffeine.  


JJR, that's super encouraging to me that you've been able to transition from lattes to chai tea lattes to no caffeine/decaf.   I now know for sure that it just takes time & not giving up to stop eating/drinking avoids.

Those spices that you listed are what's in the "no black tea chai recipe" that I tried. I'm planning on trying it again with less spices since I ruined it last time. It had way too much of something. Clove, maybe?


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Just a side note concerning caffinated/decaffinated beverages.  If it comes in a bag (tea or coffee), to decaffinate, simply immerse in boiling water and count to 30.  Remove the bag (no need to squeeze); the reimmerse in fresh water.

This information was passed on to me by an employee at our local, upscale tea house.  The owner told her that most or the caffine escapes within the first 30 seconds.  I don't know if decaffinated is more expensive than caffinated (don't ever buy it) but I've read that the commercial decaffinated process uses an ingredient found in rat poisoning.

So, if you want to try it, let us know what you think.


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I've gotten the green tea at Starbucks several times too. It's a great idea! I just have to put the crazy cost of one tea bag & hot water out of my head. I tend to think, "if I'm going to pay that much for green tea, I might as well spend $1.50 more & get the good stuff!" Oh, the extent I will go to when I'm addicted to something. But, it is way better to "overpay" for a bene than to "way overpay" for a drink full of avoids for me!

You're not paying $1.50 for 5 cents worth of tea. You're paying 5 cents for the tea and $1.45 for the atmosphere and the experience of sharing a hot cup with your friends at Starbucks.

And the plain green tea is "the good stuff." Why pay more for sugar and additives that will only make you feel sick?

You can also invite your friends to your house for tea and chat instead of always going out for beverages. Or see if they want to get their drinks "to go" and you bring something from home, which you then share at a local park. There are plenty of alternatives if you take the time to seek them out. Or, if your friends are really married to the idea of sitting in Starbucks, join them with the safe green tea. Depending on how often you do this, it's not THAT expensive if you think of it as part of your "entertainment budget" rather than thinking of it as "overpriced green tea."



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Just a side note concerning caffinated/decaffinated beverages.  If it comes in a bag (tea or coffee), to decaffinate, simply immerse in boiling water and count to 30.  Remove the bag (no need to squeeze); the reimmerse in fresh water.

This information was passed on to me by an employee at our local, upscale tea house.  The owner told her that most or the caffine escapes within the first 30 seconds.  I don't know if decaffinated is more expensive than caffinated (don't ever buy it) but I've read that the commercial decaffinated process uses an ingredient found in rat poisoning.

So, if you want to try it, let us know what you think.


That is a concept that is new to me. I'll definitely have to try it! Thanks for sharing!


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You're not paying $1.50 for 5 cents worth of tea. You're paying 5 cents for the tea and $1.45 for the atmosphere and the experience of sharing a hot cup with your friends at Starbucks.

And the plain green tea is "the good stuff." Why pay more for sugar and additives that will only make you feel sick?

You can also invite your friends to your house for tea and chat instead of always going out for beverages. Or see if they want to get their drinks "to go" and you bring something from home, which you then share at a local park. There are plenty of alternatives if you take the time to seek them out. Or, if your friends are really married to the idea of sitting in Starbucks, join them with the safe green tea. Depending on how often you do this, it's not THAT expensive if you think of it as part of your "entertainment budget" rather than thinking of it as "overpriced green tea."



Ruthie, as always, you have great insight. From my last response to you, I made it seem that I'm tempted to go to Starbucks through meeting up with friends. The drive-thru is where I really struggle because I pass it many times per day.

On a good note, I have gotten a green tea instead of the drink I should avoid several times. I'm getting closer!



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On a good note, I have gotten a green tea instead of the drink I should avoid several times. I'm getting closer!



Good job!!  



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Starbucks is the McDonalds of Coffee.  Hehehheheheh.  They get us hooked somehow or another.  You can overcome the addiction.  It just takes time.  Plus, I'm kind of fanatical in my ways anyways.  So when I make up my mind to do something, I go all out.  Like when I quit smoking, I quit cold turkey.  And I didn't get any physical withdrawals.  Which probably was some help from the LORD in that.  In all of this.  But I do notice others seem to take a little bit more time sometimes.  It's OK.  I think it's just different personalities.  I don't always change that quick either. Like I said, I drank Chai's for a while too.  But that was all pre BTD.  I didn't think they were that bad for me at the time.   And they sure tasted good!!!!  Either way, you are to be commended for at least thinking about your health, taking action and questioning what the world thinks is OK.  It's easy to follow what everyone else is doing.  But it's not always the best thing.  Although I really don't see a problem with hanging out at starbucks once in a while.  But I guess every day a couple times a day, like I used to do, is probably not a good idea.  Hard on the wallet and the body.  hehehhee


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Starbucks is the McDonalds of Coffee.  Hehehheheheh.  They get us hooked somehow or another.  You can overcome the addiction.  It just takes time.  Plus, I'm kind of fanatical in my ways anyways.  So when I make up my mind to do something, I go all out.  Like when I quit smoking, I quit cold turkey.  And I didn't get any physical withdrawals.  Which probably was some help from the LORD in that.  In all of this.  But I do notice others seem to take a little bit more time sometimes.  It's OK.  I think it's just different personalities.  I don't always change that quick either. Like I said, I drank Chai's for a while too.  But that was all pre BTD.  I didn't think they were that bad for me at the time.   And they sure tasted good!!!!  Either way, you are to be commended for at least thinking about your health, taking action and questioning what the world thinks is OK.  It's easy to follow what everyone else is doing.  But it's not always the best thing.  Although I really don't see a problem with hanging out at starbucks once in a while.  But I guess every day a couple times a day, like I used to do, is probably not a good idea.  Hard on the wallet and the body.  hehehhee


JJR, wow, I agree with you that Starbucks is like the McDonald's of coffee. I've never thought of it like that before. That analogy will help me to keep staying away. That's great that you were able to quit smoking cold turkey. I've only been able to quit a few things cold turkey in my life & it was stuff that I wasn't emotionally attached to. That's where I'm addicted, because driving thru has/had become the quick fix for stress, being tired or lazy.

Here's where I have to brag on my awesome DH. I texted him a photo of the Breville tea maker that I discovered at the Teavana store at my local mall. I rarely go to the mall, so this was my first time in Teavana. Anyways, I was kinda joking, due to the high price tag, that I wanted it for Mother's Day. Well, he researched it on Amazon & ordered it for me! I've had it for 3 days now & it is wonderful to wake up to warm green tea ready to be poured in my mug/to-go cup. I haven't gone to Starbucks since last Tuesday! Yay!  

OT, but I wanted to wish all of the BTD/GTD/SWAMI Mother's out there a fabulous "Happy Mother's Day!"


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