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As I've mentioned on here before, my SWAMI only allows me to have green tea & Kukicha tea since I entered in that I'm caffeine sensitive. I love both teas & drink them almost daily.

My struggle is that when I've having a day where I'm feeling tired or off-kilter, I often fall off the wagon & drive through Starbucks. I get my normal tall, no water, soy milk chai tea. At first, I feel great while drinking it & think thoughts like, "This is awesome! My SWAMI must be wrong because I'm feeling energetic & happy!" Then, a few hours later, I hit a major wall with anxiety, irritability, impatience & fatigue. I literally want to crawl into bed for the day at around 3:00 p.m.

Additionally, I'll eat avoids since my resolve is gone, which makes the situations worse. I'll get on this "crazy cycle" every 2 weeks or so for about 3-4 days. My point in sharing this is to get some advice & encouragement. It's such a struggle for me that I'm really hoping that something one of you shares with me will click & help me to stop this destructive habit. Thanks in advance for any advice/encouragement!  


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beware of additives in all starbuck products.....

carry your tea bags and cup......ask for hot water, voila!


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hopeful18,
I go through milder versions of what you describe after drink soy caffe latte.  As Lola mentioned there are the extra things  you are getting that might be the issue. Also I feel at times soy milk in that quantity throws me off.  
I try to carry T-Bags, but when I don't and have the urge for black tea I try to just buy plain black tea and ask for a little soy milk to cool it down, this seems to work much better.


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Hopeful,
I feel for you because I go through an "off" period with sugar (in compliant cookies!) sometimes but alwaysfeel better/healthier when I follow my limits..limit being the key word!
About caffeine...I do not believe in decaf..unless you have some natural stones and pure water ..because to me, the process is worse than a small amount of caffeine.
Easy for me to say because I am not caffeine sensitive. Black tea is an avoid for me on swami but I do indulge some mornings. Coffee is a superfood and I enjoy it about 3 afternoons a week; tall, soy misto.(coffee and soy milk heated) When I have time at home, instead of Starbucks, I will make a small pot of organic, fair trade(from a local church member), and add my own heated almond milk....so delicious. This is how I first drank coffee in southern France. Each morning our host would have warmed milk or cream in a carafe and fresh coffee. They pour the cream into a small "drinking bowl" then add the hot coffee. The best ever!

I agree that your "additives" may be the problem. Have you tried just the tea with
rice or almond milk at home? It is difficult when you have a favorite that needs adapting per swami but...well worth it. Just a note, when I drink black tea, I always add a green tea bag with it.. my way of compromise..I know, but whatever.. I also drink my compliant teas( ginger root, green, kukicha, bancha) on a regular basis.


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beware of additives in all starbuck products.....

carry your tea bags and cup......ask for hot water, voila!


Lola, as always, your posts are so helpful! I really needed a reminder of this! I'm starting a list on my phone called "No Starbucks!" "Beware of additives" will be #1. When I discuss this issue with my IRL friends, I usually get some variant of "If all you're drinking is one tall drink from starbucks maybe 4x every 2 weeks, then you're doing pretty good!" Hearing that just encourages me to keep making bad choices that are horrible for my quality of life & health. I knew that I could count on my "Dadamo Forum friends" to give me the TRUTH!  


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hopeful18,
I go through milder versions of what you describe after drink soy caffe latte.  As Lola mentioned there are the extra things  you are getting that might be the issue. Also I feel at times soy milk in that quantity throws me off.  
I try to carry T-Bags, but when I don't and have the urge for black tea I try to just buy plain black tea and ask for a little soy milk to cool it down, this seems to work much better.


Lin, I completely agree with both you & Lola about the additives being the main problem. I'm so glad that you both said that because it just confirmed my suspicions. The soy milk could be a problem too because although it's a beneficial for me *ETA: see my post below because I just realized that soy is neutral for me*, I do better on almond milk. Lastly, thank you for the idea about carrying my own tea bags; that's a great idea! As for asking for a black tea bag, I'm scared to stay on the "black tea train" because I know having it in any form is bad for me. But, I know that at least that way I wouldn't be getting the yucky additives.  


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Hopeful,
I feel for you because I go through an "off" period with sugar (in compliant cookies!) sometimes but alwaysfeel better/healthier when I follow my limits..limit being the key word!
About caffeine...I do not believe in decaf..unless you have some natural stones and pure water ..because to me, the process is worse than a small amount of caffeine.
Easy for me to say because I am not caffeine sensitive. Black tea is an avoid for me on swami but I do indulge some mornings. Coffee is a superfood and I enjoy it about 3 afternoons a week; tall, soy misto.(coffee and soy milk heated) When I have time at home, instead of Starbucks, I will make a small pot of organic, fair trade(from a local church member), and add my own heated almond milk....so delicious. This is how I first drank coffee in southern France. Each morning our host would have warmed milk or cream in a carafe and fresh coffee. They pour the cream into a small "drinking bowl" then add the hot coffee. The best ever!

I agree that your "additives" may be the problem. Have you tried just the tea with
rice or almond milk at home? It is difficult when you have a favorite that needs adapting per swami but...well worth it. Just a note, when I drink black tea, I always add a green tea bag with it.. my way of compromise..I know, but whatever.. I also drink my compliant teas( ginger root, green, kukicha, bancha) on a regular basis.


Cajun, wow, it's so nice to know that I'm not the only one experiencing this! I feel so weak, but I know that kicking each bad habit/addiction is a process & takes time. The French method you experienced of drinking coffee sounds amazing! In October of 2011, I gave up my daily 2 giant mugs of homemade 2 shot espresso lattes (with cows milk & sugar in the raw). I thought that I was being so "healthy!" Little did I know that I was drinking a drink that was 100% toxic for me 2x/day. I had to quit those because they were putting me on a much worse emotional/exhaustion inducing roller coaster than the chai teas do. I was able to quit them pretty easily, but I replaced them with chai teas-Ugh! Now, here I am stuck in this process again.

It's interesting that you mentioned decaf because I spent some time last week researching it because I thought maybe if I started having one small cup of decaf at home in the mornings, then it would curtail my desire for the chai tea lattes. I bought a bag of "Swiss water processed" decaf whole bean coffee from WF last week. I was so excited & thought it might solve my problems at least short term. My small cup of decaf coffee immediately made me nauseous (I had a full stomach too), dizzy, shaky, super anxious & fatigued. I poured it out about 1/2 full & drank a bunch of water. I still didn't feel normal again until the next morning! Any thoughts on that? Of course, I could argue that I'm extremely sensitive to caffeine.

No, I haven't tried adding almond milk to my green tea or kukicha tea. I will try that tomorrow!

Thanks so much for your input!  


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I just looked at my SWAMI again & I saw that soy milk is a neutral for me. Wow. I have no idea why I've been thinking that it was a beneficial. So, a soy chai tea latte has no beneficials in it for me.   I'll add that to my list.


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Hopeful,
I so admire your determination! You've gone through alot already, so I know you will be fine. You are wise listening to your body.
You sound like an explorer instead of a teacher. I find it interesting that you have a much higher percentage of teacher in you than I do and yet I am fine with caffeine and have other explorer qualities.


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Hopeful,
I so admire your determination! You've gone through alot already, so I know you will be fine. You are wise listening to your body.
You sound like an explorer instead of a teacher. I find it interesting that you have a much higher percentage of teacher in you than I do and yet I am fine with caffeine and have other explorer qualities.


Cajun, thank you so much for your kind words & encouragement.  

Due to my caffeine sensitivity, I thought that I could possibly be an explorer, but I was never close to it even with the GTD measurements alone. My SWAMI confirmed that I'm a teacher, but my issues with caffeine are definitely explorer-like.


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Hopeful,
yes you have some explorer qualities with that caffeine sensitivity.   I will ditto Cajun's comments, almond milk is great.
Which reminds me that I sometimes make rooibos tea and add a little almond milk and I swear it tastes better than regular black tea.  A richer flavour.
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Hopeful, you're moving in the right direction and things like caffeine/coffee addictions or sensitivities can derail the strongest of us!  

I managed to finally kick a  40 year coffee/espresso addiction by way of chai.  It really satisfied something that coffee had addressed - hot, sweet, creamy, with a 'bite' to it.  As I finally got stabilized from coffee, I was able to see that the chai had things in it that were really not good for me, but it was a start.

What I did then was to develop my own chai spice blend at home and brew my own chai with kukicha tea.  That worked great and I was able to gradually decrease the frequency until now I am drinking only my beloved green or genmaicha green tea very happily.

You could get some of those refillable tea bags and put your own 'chai' spice mixture, along with kukicha to take with you in the car.  If you have a crazy attack   you could have that with hot water.  Or with a small dash of soy milk added.



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Hopeful,
yes you have some explorer qualities with that caffeine sensitivity.   I will ditto Cajun's comments, almond milk is great.
Which reminds me that I sometimes make rooibos tea and add a little almond milk and I swear it tastes better than regular black tea.  A richer flavour.
Lin


Lin, thank you for the suggestion about rooibos tea (neutral for me) & almond milk. That sounds yummy! I just added that to my list.  


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Hopeful, you're moving in the right direction and things like caffeine/coffee addictions or sensitivities can derail the strongest of us!  

I managed to finally kick a  40 year coffee/espresso addiction by way of chai.  It really satisfied something that coffee had addressed - hot, sweet, creamy, with a 'bite' to it.  As I finally got stabilized from coffee, I was able to see that the chai had things in it that were really not good for me, but it was a start.

What I did then was to develop my own chai spice blend at home and brew my own chai with kukicha tea.  That worked great and I was able to gradually decrease the frequency until now I am drinking only my beloved green or genmaicha green tea very happily.

You could get some of those refillable tea bags and put your own 'chai' spice mixture, along with kukicha to take with you in the car.  If you have a crazy attack   you could have that with hot water.  Or with a small dash of soy milk added.


Victoria, congrats on kicking your 40 year coffee habit! That's inspiring! I had the same plan to switch from espresso to chai tea & then to green tea/kukicha. Some days, I'm totally content with that & others, as you said, I have a "crazy attack!" . I have been surprised to see how much stronger my addiction is to chai tea lattes than it was to the homemade lattes with espresso.

Thank you so much for the idea of making my own chai tea/kukicha mixture to take along in the car with me! I just added that to my list too!



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It is! I really feel like I would've given up when I started with ERFYT in December 2011 without my Dadamo Forum internet buddies.   Now, I know my Genotype, have a SWAMI & have made some super cool strides. Now, to kick this chai tea habit for good!



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Lin, I am going to try your rooibos mix, too!


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I can't have caffeine drinks as they give me supraventricular tachycardia and send me to the emergency room, but somehow chocolate does not bother me....possibly the fat in chocolate causes the caffeine to be released slowly?  I don't know if chocolate is allowed in your diet but it might be a way to get a little pick me up without bad side effects?
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Coffee is a black dot for me and green tea is a diamond. My goal this month is to kick my caffeine habit, completely.

I am estrogen dominant and find that my estrogen levels spike after drinking coffee or green tea. I am having a cup today after sleeping 3-4 hours and working through the night. I did not sleep much the day before, too.

I noticed that my periods are more painful when I drink coffee throughout the month. Green tea is not as bad but it still contains caffeine. In addition, due to the hormonal imbalance, I notice that I end up "shedding" hair when my estrogen level spike.

I get jittery and hyper when I drink too much coffee. I do not feel hungry, either but have this weird shakiness and hypoglycemic feeling, though.

Yesterday, I offset my coffee (always black) with superfoods. I still felt the effects of the caffeine, though.

So... I guess this is my way of serving divorce papers to coffee.


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I can't have caffeine drinks as they give me supraventricular tachycardia and send me to the emergency room, but somehow chocolate does not bother me....possibly the fat in chocolate causes the caffeine to be released slowly?  I don't know if chocolate is allowed in your diet but it might be a way to get a little pick me up without bad side effects?


Kibble, wow, you have a severe reaction to caffeine. I've never heard of that before.

Unfortunately, chocolate is a black dot avoid for me. Technically, I can have it since my wash-out period is over, but I'm choosing to not reintroduce any black dots on purpose. By on purpose, I mean that I'm not going to plan on buying them from the grocery store. If I slip up at a restaurant, that will just go into my non-compliant % for the month.  


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Coffee is a black dot for me and green tea is a diamond. My goal this month is to kick my caffeine habit, completely.

I am estrogen dominant and find that my estrogen levels spike after drinking coffee or green tea. I am having a cup today after sleeping 3-4 hours and working through the night. I did not sleep much the day before, too.

I noticed that my periods are more painful when I drink coffee throughout the month. Green tea is not as bad but it still contains caffeine. In addition, due to the hormonal imbalance, I notice that I end up "shedding" hair when my estrogen level spike.

I get jittery and hyper when I drink too much coffee. I do not feel hungry, either but have this weird shakiness and hypoglycemic feeling, though.

Yesterday, I offset my coffee (always black) with superfoods. I still felt the effects of the caffeine, though.

So... I guess this is my way of serving divorce papers to coffee.


Passionprincess, the description of the effects that caffeine has on you match mine exactly. I don't get hungry when I have anything stronger than green tea. But, I also get a weird shakiness like you. I'm also restless. For example, if I'm on the phone, I'll wonder aimlessly around the house instead of doing housework or sitting down.

How do you know that you're estrogen dominant? I've taken several online tests (just questions) that have pegged me as having estrogen dominance also. I was using progesterone for awhile, but stopped because I felt like I could be damaging my hormones since I didn't have a blood test to diagnose this. Also, I totally shed way too much hair! I've never seen a correlation to that & a caffeine-induced estrogen spike. Thanks for sharing because I'll be looking for that now.  


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Listening to you talk about the coffee habits really makes me happy that I could never stand the flavor of the stuff...  I like chocolate, but it has to be greater than 70% cocoa mass or else it is too sweet...


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ABJoe, yes, you should be so happy that you never fell for coffee/black tea. It's a huge battle!  


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I've been with Dr. D'Adamo since the mid-ninetys.  What has kept me going is what he stated in one of his early books.  As Americans he understands what's out there and how we're tempted.  He helped me by stating that if we only "fall off the wagon" once a week our systems can usually handle it.  A good example of this was of a case history of a Jewish patient in his seventies.  The man was/is a type B and was bedridden when the doctor saw him.  He finally regained his health but only after eliminating chicken from his diet.  It was an ingredient in one of the gentleman's favorite dishes and he ate it quite often.  When his health was recovered, I remember doctor wrote that he told his care giver that she could prepare him that meal once a week.  

Try to remember that this is a life change...not a diet.  Yes, we'll slip now and again, and, sometimes may even go on a multi-day binge.  But as time goes by we come to realize the more we avoid our "Avoids", the better we feel and the healthier our bodies.  Wishing you the best.
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