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RubyRuby
Saturday, March 31, 2012, 3:04pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator
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Hi, how do I know if I'm a taster or a super-taster? I think I'm probably a super-taster, and so Swami types me as an Explorer. But I found that if I put 'taster' in my Swami, I come out as a Gatherer.

The PROP test is very bitter and unpleasant, but it doesn't make me want to gag. It goes away pretty quick and I don't feel the need to wash my mouth or anything to get rid of the taste.

Does anyone have any clues as to which way I should go? I sort of feel in between taster and super-taster, if you see what I mean.

Thanks!  
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From what I have been reading you would be a 'regular' taster. Apparently there are people out here who really do gag when tasting it, and still do hours after..
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I would go with  supertaster-- do you have weight to lose?

You can do either or and switch if it is not working.


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You can also run both and compare the results to see what changes there are.  It may be that very few foods change rating dramatically, or that there are portion size / frequency differences that make the most difference...  Knowing the differences may provide more insight about which way your body favors.


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In my practice, I watch closely when I do the taster test and I do have people who make a major grimace, gag a bit, ask for water, and at the extreme, jump up and run to get water!  These are supertasters.  

Those who remark that it tastes bitter and unpleasant are tasters.  If I'm not sure, I ask how bitter and if I get an very emphatic response, I also think supertaster.

In you case, I would also look at what your health issues are and which genotype best addresses them.  Explorer has a focus on liver health, chemical sensitivities, caffeine sensitivity, detox.  Gatherer has a focus on blood sugar regulation, thyroid health, insulin resistance.  


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Hi, how do I know if I'm a taster or a super-taster? I think I'm probably a super-taster, and so Swami types me as an Explorer. But I found that if I put 'taster' in my Swami, I come out as a Gatherer.

The PROP test is very bitter and unpleasant, but it doesn't make me want to gag. It goes away pretty quick and I don't feel the need to wash my mouth or anything to get rid of the taste.

Does anyone have any clues as to which way I should go? I sort of feel in between taster and super-taster, if you see what I mean.

Thanks!  


No matter which one I put in, (I am a super taster but don't mind strong flavours, I don't react dramatically even though the flavour lasts a long time in my mouth), I come out as Explorer.
I've even tried fooling around with checking/unchecking boxes, and SWAMI is adamant that I am an Explorer!!!!!!! Gee, all I want is the Gatherer cottage cheese (hee, hee, hee). I'm going to try the cottage cheese that I use to eat, it has absolutely no fillers, no gums, is organic and is pressed tightly to resemble a pound of butter. I keep feeling that this would be fine for me; does anyone know if this type of pressed cottage cheese would no low or not have whey in it?  

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Sounds like you are a taster/supertaster, RubyRuby.  It's hard to be precise, isn't it?  I suppose like everything else there is a tasting spectrum.  If you dislike the taste (histrionics aside) I would say supertaster.  If you can taste the strip but it is not unpleasant to you, then I would tick "taster".  It's funny that the difference between taster and supertaster alone determine explorer vs. gatherer on your swami.  In my case I'm explorer either way, but I think that is because I have rh negative blood and non-secretor.  I have a lot of gatherer traits (I would dearly love some paneer and mozarella!) but certain things tip me over into explorer, even though it is only 38%.  You may have to try both versions of swami for a time and see which one feels better(?).  
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RubyRuby
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Thank you everyone for your input  

I've just compared both swami outcomes. I type 43% explorer if I tick super-taster and 43% gatherer if I tick taster. The emphasised and de-emphasised nutrients come out the same in both. In the gatherer one there is slightly more protein (one extra portion of red meat, one extra of fish and 2 extra eggs), slightly less dairy (one portion less a week), and slightly less fruit and veg. A very few things change from avoid to superfoods, like rice milk and lentils. So, all in all, not much change.

Andrea, I *do* have weight to lose - I am 152 lbs at 5ft 3in tall, so I'd like to lose about 25-30 lbs (I can't believe I've got so much to lose!).

Whimsical, I grimace a bit and think it tastes pretty vile, which sounds closer to super-taster, do you think? Health issues - mainly weight, tiredness and bad headaches, which as I understand, could be liver/toxicity related or blood sugar/insulin related ... Still puzzled!   Caffeine withdrawal means excruciatingly bad headaches, which is why I'm still drinking coffee ...  

Probably going to have to try both to see which works best, though given that the differences are so minor, I might be making a mountain out of a molehill by worrying which one ...  
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Quoted from O in Virginia
If you dislike the taste (histrionics aside) I would say supertaster.  If you can taste the strip but it is not unpleasant to you, then I would tick "taster".


Ahh! Yes, definitely dislike it! Ok ... super taster is winning here  

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what about your measurements, are your index fingers on both hands longer then you ring finger?  Is your lower leg longer then your upper leg?  Is your torso longer then you legs.  This equals a GATHERER Or else I have been eating wrong all this time. I also tasted strongly, but did not gag and did not have to drink something afterwards it went away
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Thank you everyone for your input  

I've just compared both swami outcomes. I type 43% explorer if I tick super-taster and 43% gatherer if I tick taster. The emphasised and de-emphasised nutrients come out the same in both. In the gatherer one there is slightly more protein (one extra portion of red meat, one extra of fish and 2 extra eggs), slightly less dairy (one portion less a week), and slightly less fruit and veg. A very few things change from avoid to superfoods, like rice milk and lentils.


This is what happened with me. Since I'm looking to loose weight I used taster and kept it at gatherer. Once I loose the weight I'll make all the changes. (weight, hip and waist) see what happens and might redo the taster then as well.  



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I can't remember my finger measurements, GeminiSue - but it seems that you can have typical Gatherer measurements and still be typed by Swami as an Explorer, as I was, based on other criteria. The only check box I changed was the PROP test one, and got different results depending on whether I ticked taster or super-taster - I left all the others alone  
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That's an interesting approach Deblynn3 ... I hadn't thought of trying that. Are you losing weight, eating the Gatherer diet?
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Quoted from geminisue
what about your measurements,


She has entered these into SWAMI which is far more detailed than the book tables...


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Since I'm looking to loose weight I used taster and kept it at gatherer. Once I loose the weight I'll make all the changes. (weight, hip and waist) see what happens and might redo the taster then as well.  

You can lose weight on the Explorer diet as well...  It all happens based on the body's priority schedule...


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That's an interesting approach Deblynn3 ... I hadn't thought of trying that. Are you losing weight, eating the Gatherer diet?


I'd gain some from the book gatherer, but with swami gatherer I'm back to loosing. There was very little difference in the foods, between my swami gatherer and explorer.


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Yes, ABJoe, thank you for the reminder that Swami does all the necessary work  

If I put a lighter weight into Swami, it still comes out as the same genotype but the portion sizes are bigger - for example, 4-6oz meat instead of 3-5oz.
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Yes, ABJoe, thank you for the reminder that Swami does all the necessary work  


It at least points you in the right direction to focus your efforts...  You still need to do the work!      


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Haha, very good!        
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I have seen Dr. D use the Gather diet for an O to lose weight-- I say try it and see how it goes.


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Actually, Andrea, I've decided I am probably quite clearly an Explorer. I went through the whole questionnaire again and saw that I had ticked the box that said that tendons were not visible in my wrist, but looking again, I realise they are. Not very visible, mind you (which is why I originally said not visible) but visible all the same. So ... if I say they are visible on the questionnaire, I type Explorer whether I am a slight taster or super taster  
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Quoted from Andrea AWsec
I have seen Dr. D use the Gather diet for an O to lose weight-- I say try it and see how it goes.


Not much changes for me  from the SWAMI Explorer to the SWAMI Gatherer diet. Mostly the cheeses, a few veggie proteins and fruit & veggies. Not that I need to lose weight at this point, but I know a Type 0 that is an Explorer who is having problems to lose weight. She has SWAMI, so would she eat as is the recommended foods for a Gatherer even through she does not get some of these as an Explorer as per SWAMI?
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Whimsical, I grimace a bit and think it tastes pretty vile, which sounds closer to super-taster, do you think? Health issues - mainly weight, tiredness and bad headaches, which as I understand, could be liver/toxicity related or blood sugar/insulin related ... Still puzzled!   Caffeine withdrawal means excruciatingly bad headaches, which is why I'm still drinking coffee ...  


I am a taster and while I notice a bitter taste, I don't find it so strong that I make a face!  But it does taste bad (does bitter ever taste good?).  I think either diet would be fine, give it 3 months of high compliance and see how it goes.  Also, get off the coffee!  You can cut coffee with another beverage (green tea, kukicha tea, etc at 1/4, then 1/2, then 3/4 until you wean down.


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I'm with whimsical on this.  I grimace and it tastes lousy, but the taste doesn't last for hours.  So I pick taster.  If I do supertaster, I'm typed as an explorer also.  If I'm just a taster, I'm a Nomad.  The thing is, when I do the supertaster, my percentage is less than if I do taster.  So, I've stuck with that taster.  This thread has me questioning though.  But the fact is my food lists don't change a whole heck of a lot.  I may run it again just to see if they do change a lot.  But for some reasons strawberries become black dots on the explorer diet.  

Yeah, I just redid it.  If I'm a "slight taster" I'm 32% Nomad.  When I check "super taster" I'm 29% Explorer.  

I think I'll stick with Nomad.  It seems to be working.  I don't know. I do know I have explorer traits, but I think because of BT I'm such a blend of 3 of them.  Teacher/Nomad/Explorer.  Because if I do the book measurements, I'm a teacher.  So, for me, there is no perfect list.  I just have to do my best and see if eating the foods tell me something.  It probably would be good to know which foods the explorer doesn't like.  Because it changes my fish list pretty drastically.  But I think stressing over the few foods that change is probably more of a problem than just going with it.  Maybe some day that will change.  


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The taster strip can linger for hours for a supertaster.  

Any reaction that is gone within a few minutes would probably be a taster-level reaction.  The sense of degree is much more subjective than the sense of duration, I believe.

If I think too much about my own multi-hour reaction, I almost get the feeling of that darned taste back again.


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