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I've gotten blood sugar crashes in the last couple days.  I'm not really sure why.  I haven't changed anything all that much.  The only thing I can tell is that I'm really hungry lately.  And I feel like I could eat all day long.  Maybe my body is just needing more food.  I don't know.  I also feel like it's possible I'm fighting some kind of bug.  Although it hasn't been overly apparent.  And I know in the past I've had similar feelings when I'm fighting something.  

I have been eating more applegate farms deli turkey roast beef.  I suppose it's possible that could be messing with me.  It is very pure, but I suppose it could be corn fed cows.  I guess that could do something.  Or there is pepper on it.  I actually wash it off, but I don't get all of it.  Can pepper mess with blood sugar?  

Otherwise I haven't changed anything to lead me to believe I should be struggling with it.  Maybe my body is just going through some kind of change or detox.  

If anyone has any input, I'm all ears.  I'm not freaking about it or anything.  Just wondering if it's something I need to try to overcome.  I gotta go make myself something to eat, I'm super hungry.  Hehehehehe.


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I go through phases where I eat like two pigs, then very little for several days before picking up to normal again...  I'm doing a continuous detox now, so the weirdness is constant...  It feels like I'm fighting bugs - but I think it is just housecleaning.

I don't know what SWAMI says for you, but for the AB the rating is:
    AVOID: Gastric irritant. inhibits proper digestive function.

I guess this could cause some sugar issues...


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Vitamin D?
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Applegate Farms might've changed the way it processes that turkey-beef product.  I would switch to something unprocessed and see if it makes a difference.  If that doesn't help, I would change my way of eating to Lower Glycemic meals, even if it means increasing fats and proteins above the serving suggestions.

Good luck!


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Are you actually measuring your blood sugar or just guessing at figures?

I find anything that might irritate my stomach, including pepper, flavourings or any of these'please eat more of me' additives in anything processed is followed by a call from my stomach to eat anything there is around.
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Quoted from Joyce
Are you actually measuring your blood sugar or just guessing at figures?

I find anything that might irritate my stomach, including pepper, flavourings or any of these'please eat more of me' additives in anything processed is followed by a call from my stomach to eat anything there is around.


I totally agree. Saw a talk show years ago about the food industry and the things they put into the food to make us eat more of it. The talk host had the guest from the food industry just a squirming in his seat!

Companies who process foods generally mess around with us. I'll only eat processed foods from small artisan shops where I ask very direct questions about what's in the food that they prepare. I make it a point to let them know that I have several food allergies and can't be careful enough at times! That's usually when the owner gets called out.  
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I never eat any overly processed meats. The deli counter became a foreign entity to me years ago. One other thing, any peppers are my worst offenders after most dairy.


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Boneless & fully cooked. No antibiotics used (Beef never administered antibiotics, added growth hormones or animal by-products. Vegetarian grain-fed). Humanely raised (Beef raised on sustained family farms in a stress-free environment that promotes natural behavior and socialization). No nitrites or nitrates added. Gluten & casein free. Low fat. US inspected and passed by Department of Agriculture. At Applegate, we create delicious meat products you can feel great about. We believe the best recipe for a happy life is to enjoy great tasting foods that are good for you too. On the farm, we raise our animals humanely feeding them vegetarian grain, and never using antibiotics or animal by-products. Our recipes call for only the best ingredients. Our mission is to change the meat we eat, and we're doing it one meal at a time.

Keep refrigerated. Proper Handling: Store at 29-35 degrees F for optimum freshness. Once opened, product should be used within 5 days. After opening, overwrap unused portion and refrigerate.

Manufacturer:   Applegate Farms
Address:   Bridgewater, NJ 08807
Phone:   866-587-5858

Here's the ingredients:
Beef (Beef Never Administered Antibiotics, Added Growth Hormones or Animal By-Products. Vegetarian Grain-Fed), Salt, Pepper.


You know what, all the beef I've eaten besides this stuff has been grass fed.  I bet this could be a contributor.  Because grain fed probably means bad corn or soy.  Possibly.  Either way, it's not grass fed and I should've thought about that.  I was trying to give myself something easy to have around.  I may not completely give it up, but I was eating more of it than I had been.  

No, I wasn't checking my blood sugar, but I was getting the classic low blood sugar symptoms.  


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Do you drink coffee?  I found out recently that drinking pure black coffee results in a large drop in blood sugar for me, and i get very hungry and feel light and tingly if it is a larger amount.  
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Eat fewer carbs and little or no snacks- insulin is the cause of blood sugar crashes and if you continually graze all day your blood sugar will always be up.
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Blackstrap molasses, have a little in some hot water with carob powder, give it a try.

I am way serious about Vitamin D too.
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I have always been low in Vit D.  So....  You may be right.  I take cod liver oil with D in it for that, but that's it.  Anytime I've tried to supplement D3, I've felt awful.

Sahara, I don't eat wheat and all that.  And I haven't changed my amount of carb intake.  Just rice and oatmeal at night.  And I'm not stopping those, because I can tell I need them for weight gain, energy, etc etc.  It's on my swami to have some.  I'm not going to eliminate them, because when I did that, I got sicker and lighter.   But yeah, eating every 2 hours helps.  The one night I got it real bad I think I stretched past 2 hours.  But, I don't know if I should've gotten as bad as I did.  I think I'm fighting something because I've just been kind of off since Sunday.  And for some reason that has made me more susceptible to blood sugar crashes in the past.  Possibly.  I think the grain fed beef might be part of it too.  It's probably a combo of several things.  The night I got it real bad, I did have a real generous helping of sweet potatoes at dinner.  That could've been part of it too.  But I got it a little bit last night also.  Not as bad though.  It's been after dinner.  I ate a good portion of meat with dinner, so.....  I don't know.


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1)  I think if you are hungry you should EAT!    Make sure you eat what you are supposed to, obviously.  Am I mistaken, or were you trying to gain weight?  Maybe your body is making you hungry to get you to eat.  Are you taking your feeling of hunger as a blood sugar crash?  When my blood sugar crashes, I get dizzy and cranky and have very low energy, start dragging my feet and bumping into things.  When I'm hungry I just feel hungry, not the other stuff.

2)  It might be a good idea to limit the deli counter stuff, even if it is good quality.  Try abstaining and see if you feel more satisfied.  If you have been eating enough and you still feel hungry, then it would appear that your body is missing something -- rather like when I crave carbs because I have not been eating enough veggies.  Not saying that is your case, but just as an example.

Best intentions.  Hope you get it worked out.  
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I would not want to eat meat that had been sitting in my fridge for five days. I stick all of it in the freezer because of my problem with mold - and that means the kind you can't even see too. I notice that they recommend 29-35 degrees. The middle of my fridge right now is around 36-37 and that is colder than a lot of refrigerators.


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Just an FYI JJR, all applegate farms ORGANIC beef is grass fed, the natural line is not. And I also have to eat small and often to keep glucose stable. Eating large meals raises my sugar too high and it actually makes me hungrier. I still, even after a larger meal have to eat soon. I just did an experiment and tracked my sugars every hour on the hour. Small meals stayed between 89 and 111 all day,usually closer to 92-94 and larger meals went higher. I felt better on the smaller meal day as well. I ahve also started eating smaller amounts of protein at one time but 4 times a day, like 2-2.5 oz each time with some tahini, a few nuts or some veggies with a little fat in between. It's working out well for me. I don't at all care for that hypo feeling, it can get scarey.
Best of luck


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I think blood sugar crashes aside from eating gross amounts of sugar, come from deficiencies in other things, or from having serious damage to your pancreas; like being an abusive diabetic for years. If you can keep up on the stuff you need (zinc, vitamin D, fats, etc etc) you should be fine.

Vitamin D in regular amounts (under 4k units) per day should make you feel good. If it doesn't then maybe your body is starting to deal with latent problems that you will have to go through.
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actually, yes on the fats. Are you eating enough fat? That helps me as much as protein, if not more


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I might not be getting enough fats.  I have been frying an egg in butter in the AM, but it's like 1/2 teaspoon and even all of that doesn't get on the egg.  And then I use about a teaspoon in my grain at night.  And then I take a teaspoon of cod liver oil every day.  And then I try to fit some evoo at my lunch and dinner.  But that is usually only about 1/2 teaspoon.  My swami really only wants me to have a tablespoon the whole day, but it might be I need a little bit more right now.  

And yes, I am not mixing up hungry with low blood sugar.  I just mentioned the two together, meaning being hungry might be a reason that I AM hypo.  I don't know.  

I might have to muscle test some mineral supplement DoS.  That might be a piece of it.  I don't think it's about the portions I eat.  I haven't changed that and it's just the last few days I've been getting this symptom.  

And yeah, I had carob powder the other night that I got it real strong thinking it might help.  I thought I had read that somewhere it is good for blood sugar levels.  Isn't cinnamon also?


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Fats will slow your carb response down but I'm not sure 1/2 tsp will do it. It's alawys a good rule for everyone to eat fats with carbs. Just a thought...


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I do typically eat fats with carbs.  Just not a lot of fat.  

I remember a chiro told me a long time ago that it's not blood sugar if you feel lightheaded still after eating.  And today, that's how it's been.  It's just kind of a lingering feeling.  I bet I've caught something and it's creeping up on me.  Or something is off like DoS is saying.  I doubt it's so much the food.  I suppose it could be that beef, but I am hoping not.  I like to have it on hand for quick meals.  And if I eat a little bit of meat at a snack.  It's easy to grab an ounce or .5 ounces.  Although I have turkey meat for that too, that I've been eating forever and I know that doesn't mess with me.  Organic Prairie is a good company with good products.  You know, they have beef too.  Maybe I'll try theirs instead and see if it makes a difference.  


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Blackstrap molasses. Try it.
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Just an FYI JJR, all applegate farms ORGANIC beef is grass fed, the natural line is not. And I also have to eat small and often to keep glucose stable. Eating large meals raises my sugar too high and it actually makes me hungrier. I still, even after a larger meal have to eat soon. I just did an experiment and tracked my sugars every hour on the hour. Small meals stayed between 89 and 111 all day,usually closer to 92-94 and larger meals went higher. I felt better on the smaller meal day as well. I ahve also started eating smaller amounts of protein at one time but 4 times a day, like 2-2.5 oz each time with some tahini, a few nuts or some veggies with a little fat in between. It's working out well for me. I don't at all care for that hypo feeling, it can get scarey.Best of luck

I do not like to eat a big meal at all either. I eat six or seven times a day . Three of them are balanced meals and the others are diamond snacks. Great post, Mother!


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Fats will slow your carb response down but I'm not sure 1/2 tsp will do it. It's alawys a good rule for everyone to eat fats with carbs. Just a thought...


Maybe not right for everyone as I know an 'O' who was researching his own blood sugar levels and was almost obsessive over the testing - he found carbs with fats sent his BS levels very high..... now he has a very low carb diet.... very active guy too.

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I might not be getting enough fats.  I have been frying an egg in butter


You might get a better fat-hit using ghee  

Cinnamon is recommended as a BS stabiliser.

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I also am very low carb. My carbs come from non starchy veggies and some nuts and a few berries or a bite or two fo a lower sugar fruit. I'm around 15-20 net carbs a day. Any and all grains raise my sugars no matter how much fat I use. I really son't miss the grains and  if I'm going to eat something that's higher in carbs, it's going to be something worth it, not rice or grains.

Joyce, is your friend diabetic? I have not been diagnosed but if I ate grains or more carbs I'm pretty sure I would be. I've pretty much always been low carb but was over-eating protein for lack of food and that was raising my BS too. Now the smaller amounts spaced throughout the day helps. I understand the OCD thing too as I was getting like that trying to figure out why it was getting higher. Now I have put the glucometer back in the closet as I am very happy with my experiment. It gave me a lot of good information.


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Thanks and me too. 3  balanced though small and the rest are diamond snacks. Nuts, nut butters, homemade hummes or veggies. I have to keep my fat up for the sake of calories being low carb and 'adequate' protein. Most times it doesn't even seem worth cooking or using a plate. . I wish I could figure out a way to keep fish good after cooking. I like cold salmon and tuna but not cod or other white fish and fish is a very large part of my diet. I'll even throw cold ground/ beef on a salad or mix it with a little mayo. Fish isn't quite as good like that.


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No it's nearly impossible to maintain level blood sugar when you eat and snack all day long- the body continually experiences a surge of insulin simply from food itself.  So it makes sense that *eating too frequently* is the real cause of blood sugar crashes.  The super low carb diets try to address this but are more like a punishment imo.  You just need to learn to not eat between meals and when you do eat to eat food that isn't going to destabilize your blood sugar.  Either that or eat in a window..... and fast the rest of the time.

Watch this video to understand how insulin works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coUlGtAqmNg
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I find it interesting that this topic is so polarizing.

We have such extremes in opinion.


Butter:  Is a neutral on my swami and the amounts I'm eating it would not be a problem.  Plus, I don't think it has anything to do with the blood sugar deal.  It's not something I recently changed.  So, the   face kind of irritated me.  But I'm not really sure how you meant that.  As Dr.D points out, individuality is Key.  Nomads get butter.  It's the only dairy I'm eating at present.

Sahara:  That would not work for me what you're suggesting.  And I've been recommended by the Mayo clinic doctors to eat smaller meals with more protein.  Now, having said that, I don't put stock in what ever doctor says, but even Dr.D recommends smaller meals for A's and AB's who don't have as much stomach acids as some other blood types.  You're an O.  Have you read his books?  That sounds like an offensive statement, but if you don't read about the other blood types, it makes it hard to recommend something to others.  I didn't even watch your video because of how strongly I feel about it.  If I didn't eat in between meals, I'd dry up and blow away.  I can't eat 700-800 calories at one sitting.  If you can, more power to you.  But I've been like this since I was a kid.  Now, I could be wrong, but again: individuality is key.  

DoS:  My only pause about blackstrap molasses is my doctor claims it many times is full of mold.  I have no clue about all that, but I haven't eaten it since he told me that.  But I'm assuming you're suggesting it for the minerals, which is a good suggestion.  But I'm like, ugh.


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Joyce, is your friend diabetic?


No, he was healing after being vegetarian for years and developing atrial fibrillation, and trying to work out how to keep his blood sugar as stable as possible.... probably to avoid any possibility of an adrenalin rush which could trigger the afib.

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  So, the   face kind of irritated me.  


That wasn't my intention - that smilie is used as an 'I'm not sure' on my own forum.... as in I wasn't sure when posting to you, simply making a suggestion.
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Even small amounts of black pepper severely irritate my stomach, giving false hunger sensations.



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Thanks and me too. 3  balanced though small and the rest are diamond snacks. Nuts, nut butters, homemade hummes or veggies. I have to keep my fat up for the sake of calories being low carb and 'adequate' protein. Most times it doesn't even seem worth cooking or using a plate. . I wish I could figure out a way to keep fish good after cooking. I like cold salmon and tuna but not cod or other white fish and fish is a very large part of my diet. I'll even throw cold ground/ beef on a salad or mix it with a little mayo. Fish isn't quite as good like that.


I wish I could learn how to cook cod that wasn't a tough, tasteless mess to begin with! I have even tried flaking it and making patties like salmon - yuk! I know it can be cooked right, but just not by me - yet! My sister simmers hers a little while and enjoys it that way. I, too, love a salad with various proteins thrown on top! Delish! I finally came up with a dressing that seems pretty good. Part almond and olive oils with lemon. Olive oil is just the pits to me by itself.   May have something to do with being a super taster. Yes, salmon tastes good on a salad if it is frozen soon after cooking and thawed a little in the microwave.


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That wasn't my intention - that smilie is used as an 'I'm not sure' on my own forum.... as in I wasn't sure when posting to you, simply making a suggestion.


Aaah, that makes sense.  I don't know what it's supposed to me but the face to me looks like a "what the heck were you thinking" face.  hehehehhee.  I'm so defensive!!!  Or sensitive.  Or whatever.  But it did also seem kind of "off topic".  But maybe not.  I wouldn't imagine that the difference in a 1/4 - 1/2 teaspoon of butter to ghee would make any difference in blood sugar.  I suppose it's possible, but not likely, IMHO.

Cooking fish is tough.  I usually overcook all my meats and cod does dry out.  I have boiled it.  Basically immersed it in a bunch of water and if you add a little oil, it kind of keeps it a little bit moist.  That's a good way of cooking it.  Poaching I guess you would call it.


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No it's nearly impossible to maintain level blood sugar when you eat and snack all day long- the body continually experiences a surge of insulin simply from food itself.  So it makes sense that *eating too frequently* is the real cause of blood sugar crashes.  The super low carb diets try to address this but are more like a punishment imo.  You just need to learn to not eat between meals and when you do eat to eat food that isn't going to destabilize your blood sugar.  Either that or eat in a window..... and fast the rest of the time.

Watch this video to understand how insulin works:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=coUlGtAqmNg


It simply doesn't work that way with me. Period. I have worked out the best system for my body that took forty years to get it right. I don't have a hair trigger on my insulin. I have seen my sisters literally crash on the floor when they went too long without eating. And fasting would be insane for them! The solution for them in a crisis is a balance of fruit first immediately followed by protein. They are doing a lot better now because they do the same thing I do.


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No, he was healing after being vegetarian for years and developing atrial fibrillation, and trying to work out how to keep his blood sugar as stable as possible.... probably to avoid any possibility of an adrenalin rush which could trigger the afib.

The best thing for me if I ever have an adrenaline rush is to walk it off as quickly as I can. The very opposite of what a person would think would help! Once the adrenaline is used up, things calm down. The worst thing to do is try to sit quietly!  Only makes the problem scarier. Works for me every time. But someone else might come up with another way to shake it off. And the funny thing is, since I realized how effective this is for me, I don't have them anymore!


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Sahara,
Though I respect your way of eating, IF simply doesn't work at all for me either. Like I stated earlier, I monitored my sugars every hour on the hour eating small meals and I never went over 111 and often below 90. I'll take that and run. When I ate larger meals it was all over the place with spikes and crashes. If you eat small, there is no large rush. If you eat big, you need a bigger rush. My system likes to fuel as it goes, obviously yours is different. I get very light headed, headachess etc and hypo and hyper when I don't eat or eat larger meals. MY system is not set up for IF, trust me, I've tried it. I'm glad you found what works for you but I have found what works for me as well. It's not always as cut and dried as to 'train' yourself. At least not in my case


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I have always been low in Vit D.  So....  You may be right.  I take cod liver oil with D in it for that, but that's it.  Anytime I've tried to supplement D3, I've felt awful.

We are a varied bunch, for sure. D3 makes me feel great!  


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Well, I'm 99.9989899999999999% sure it's the applegate farms beef slices.  I had stayed away from them for a over a week now.  With no "blood sugar crashes".  And I ran out of my turkey slices today and had some of the beef with breakfast.  Shownuff.  About snack time I was getting shaky and had the same feeling.  What a bummer.  I love the stuff too.  I guess I'll just have to try and stay away from them.  Organic Prairie makes some too, and I'd like to try it, but our store that carries them have been out of them for a couple of weeks now.


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The best thing for me if I ever have an adrenaline rush is to walk it off as quickly as I can. The very opposite of what a person would think would help! Once the adrenaline is used up, things calm down. The worst thing to do is try to sit quietly!  Only makes the problem scarier. Works for me every time. But someone else might come up with another way to shake it off. And the funny thing is, since I realized how effective this is for me, I don't have them anymore!
Explorer method for dealing with stress - exercise.  An ounce of prevention is worth a pound of cure.



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Some alternative to beef should be better for you: turkey slices, mutton (even canned), lamb. Partridge and phesant if caught wild should elminate lots of potential problems.  The trick is that AB is a little A-like, a little B-like, and also a little O-like.  Meat and nightshades are where the O-like can be seen.


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The best thing for me if I ever have an adrenaline rush is to walk it off as quickly as I can. The very opposite of what a person would think would help! Once the adrenaline is used up, things calm down. The worst thing to do is try to sit quietly!  Only makes the problem scarier. Works for me every time. But someone else might come up with another way to shake it off. And the funny thing is, since I realized how effective this is for me, I don't have them anymore!


That is the biologically sound thing to do!  Not good to hold that heat, it will manifest in other ways eventually when boiling over.  People in ancient times did not sit and try to breath when facing a life or death threat that required running for your life or fighting for your life (unless hiding and trying to contain yourself)!  But people did not contain constant adrenaline rushes every day all day then as seems to be required today.  

To me, if i am healthy, this is barely a problem.  It used to be a real struggle though, when i did only qigong exercises and ate poorly for my type.

Exercising helps blood sugar to level out too i think.  For me as an explorer, i found coffee to really cause swings in blood sugar, with drops going down to like 50 or 60 i am guessing (drinking black coffee with nothing in it even).  I have no blood sugar issues i know of, but my dad, who is a nomad (AB), has blood sugar crashes when skipping meals. Not sure why this is.  My sister also gets this way (her BT is B).

Cutting all forms of java and coffee has really helped me to feel calmer and more stable, as well as using other recommendations for explorers.  

I feel the coffee caused blood sugar fluctuation resulting in mood swings in me.  This is from experiences i have had with black coffee, such as tingling, feeling very hungry, light headed, and a decrease of energy levels.



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Sahara:  That would not work for me what you're suggesting.  And I've been recommended by the Mayo clinic doctors to eat smaller meals with more protein.  Now, having said that, I don't put stock in what ever doctor says, but even Dr.D recommends smaller meals for A's and AB's who don't have as much stomach acids as some other blood types.  You're an O.  Have you read his books?  That sounds like an offensive statement, but if you don't read about the other blood types, it makes it hard to recommend something to others.  I didn't even watch your video because of how strongly I feel about it.  If I didn't eat in between meals, I'd dry up and blow away.  I can't eat 700-800 calories at one sitting.  If you can, more power to you.  But I've been like this since I was a kid.  Now, I could be wrong, but again: individuality is key.  



Stomach acid has nothing to do with it- anyone can fast.  If you don't want to, don't.  But don't say you can't do something you've never tried.  

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I am so weary of this argument. Some people struggle to have enough acid to digest even small meals, let along a five hour binge. I remember when the diet was popular - can't remember the name of it now - that you ate all your carbs in one hour for the day, along with other foods, of course, and the rest of the time you ate foods with NO carbs (or as close to none as you could get). Because of the urging of friends, I decided to try this crazy diet. All it did for me was create a BIG stomach!!! And I felt totally crazy the entire day because of looking forward to that carb hour!! NUTS to all that stuff! Or maybe I should have written A V O I D S   T O  A L L  T H A T  S T U F F!  


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^^ You don't have to binge during the 5 hours, just eat normal amounts of food- so long as your calorie intake is reasonable you should be fine.
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Some alternative to beef should be better for you: turkey slices, mutton (even canned), lamb. Partridge and phesant if caught wild should elminate lots of potential problems.  The trick is that AB is a little A-like, a little B-like, and also a little O-like.  Meat and nightshades are where the O-like can be seen.



It's not beef that is the problem.  It's that particular brand of deli meat beef.  I don't think it's grass fed.  Beef is neutral for me and I've enjoyed grass fed beef with no problems like this.  It's either the fact that it's not grassfed, or the pepper they put on it.  That I try to wash off but doesn't come completely off.  I do eat turkey slices and they are mMMMmmmmm  good.  I get a brand called organic prairie.  But some variety is good in ones diet.  I use the deli meat for breakfast and for when I'm eating a snack and I need a little protein with it.  Like if I eat a kiwi for snack, I might eat half or a whole slice with it.  But I've never seen lamb or mutton as quick meats like this.   Beef, chicken and turkey are the only ones. (And of course PORK)  And then there's canned fish.  But I eat that at lunch on my salad.  I used to save some and use it with my snacks, but I've been eating the whole can lately.


So Sahara, you are suggesting I follow your advice over Dr.D's.  Why should I do that?  From many of your posts, it seems evident to me that you are not familiar with the recommendations of other types.  Like you comment about apples.  As I said in the other thread, apples are highly detoxifying in Explorers.  The do me well and are superfoods.  Diamonds.  So, what makes you think I should listen to you over Dr.D's programs and books?  And I disagree that it doesn't have anything to do with stomach acids.  If you eat once a day, are you eating 2000 calories in one meal?  I have tried to eat a good amount of calories at one meal and it causes severe problems.  (seems like 500-600 is my limit).  Especially when mixing meats and grains.  Which is another recommendation for AB's to minimize.  

I'm not sure really where you're coming from with all of your advice.  And I question it because much of it goes smack dab against what I've been taught through this system.  You are entitled to your way and opinion.  And I'm not faulting you for that.  But I've asked you a couple of times and haven't really gotten an answer.  And I'm calling you out.  Either you agree with Dr.D's teachings or you don't.  And if not, I'm not sure why you're here.  To try and get us all to do things your way?  And what qualifications do you have for us to do that?  I'm not saying we're going to think he's 100% right about everything.  But like I said, it seems like that many of your suggestions are practically opposite to what I've learned here.  That's why you are hearing so much grief from me over it.  

Plus, there is a dynamic that I have to admit.  For some reason I find that many of the people I have the hardest time getting along with are O's.  And I have noticed that I relate to most of the O's in my life like Oil and water.  It takes a lot of work to even be in the same room with them for me.  So...  I'm sure there is some of that going on here and it's not personal.  For what it's worth.  So...  I'm trying to be respectful, but it may not come across so well.  Yet your posts seem very contradictory to what I've been taught here, and I keep wondering if it's because you either don't care about what us AB's are taught, or if you just don't know.


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But honey, I've told you.  I DON'T NEED TO LOSE WEIGHT.  I think for the most part, it doesn't apply.  I weigh 125 pounds as of last night and I am 5'8".  

I'm glad you found something that works for you.  It sounds like there might be others that could benefit.  But yes, it really is sort of the opposite of what we're being taught here.  At least us A's and AB's.  So maybe you could possibly take that into account when talking with us.  It does cause a little strife for me, because it is opposite of what I've been taught here, what seems to work for me and the fact that I need to gain weight.  Not lose. We all have our challenges and whatever works for you is great.  Maybe the system would work for me.  But I don't think it would at present because like I've said, I really don't feel well after eating a good amount at one sitting.  My system goes haywire.  Again, I'm not sure a one size fits all approach is always the wisest approach.  I'm glad it works for you though.  

I guess I just want to be a blood sugar drama king.  Hehhehehehe.  I do wish I didn't have to eat nearly as many times in a day, and I've been trying to increase the amount at one meal.  And some days I'll go 3 hours or maybe even a hair more and not have a blood sugar crash.  I think some foods might trigger that.  But it's rare that I would go past 3 hours.  That's cool that you can.  It does make things simpler in life.  That's for sure.


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Hey, I went 3-1/2 hours today without having a blood sugar crash!!!!  I got busy with visiting with some cousins at my Mom's and that's just the way it went.  But I haven't had those beef slices, so what do you know.  And for what it's worth, I had white potatoes at lunch time.  But I don't notice those to affect me that way.  Although some would say that's not possible.


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JJR, I think your post shows how much bearing good family/friend relationships can have on our health in a positive way! As for the white potatoes, the only way they affect me, that I notice, is that I used to ache all over for a while after eating them.


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That's an interesting theory.  I know it felt good to be with them.  They were eating some goodies after their dinner, like chocolate and stuff.  And I would've loved to join in, but I probably would've payed for it.  So I just waited until I got home and cooked up some frozen strawberries with some almond butter on them.  Mmmmmmmm..  And then some rice with pecans later.  Mmmmmmmm..


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JJR, do those beef slices contain any sugar?  Any other ingredients?  I know that even a hint of black pepper messes up my insides.



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JJR, do those beef slices contain any sugar?  Any other ingredients?  I know that even a hint of black pepper messes up my insides.

Black pepper drives me up the wall!


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No, just water, beef and pepper.  I don't think it's the pepper.  Although it could be.  I eat it on the salmon at Panera sometimes and I ate that salmon while staying away from the beef slices.  And I didn't get that weird, low blood sugar feeling during that time.  I suspect it's just the type of beef they use.  But, I could be wrong.  It could also be the specific pepper they use.  Because Panera looks like they put this large stuff and some of it is white.  Possibly better quality?

I don't know.


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Well, I ate some organic prairie beef slices yesterday with no ill affects.  So.... for some reason the applegate farms one messes with my blood sugar.  Or that's what it feels like.  Because it was like clockwork.  I eat it, I get symptoms, I don't eat it, no symptoms.  Easy as pie.  It's not like the symptoms are that horrible and I would still eat the applegate if it's all I had on hand.  But it does seem to make my blood sugar crash.  Why?  I don't know.  The organic prairie has some pepper on it too.  Although it's very minute and I can barely taste it.  Plus, like I said, the panera salmon has pepper on it and I don't get those symptoms either.  And that has enough that I can taste it pretty good, even though I try to scrape some of it off.  I have to admit, I actually like the taste of pepper.  But it is an avoid.  Oh well.  I think if that's the worst thing I eat a few times a week, I'll be OK.  


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I used to buy the Applegate Farms sliced turkey in the 7oz plastic bag.  But at some point, the ingredients changed.  They added Carregeanen.

In your case, I'm guessing they've added or changed the natural flavor of the product you're buying, and the labeling either hasn't caught up with it or it is broad enough to encompass the change.


My SWAMI diet is a blend of BTD and GTD Explorer, but I'm not totally compliant.  Also I try to choose foods that have a Low Glycemic index.  DW and DD are A+, probably also Explorer.
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Sahara, you said "it may be A and other blood types just want to argue and cause chaos like they always do about everything." I'm sorry, but I'm an A- and I'm just the opposite. I hate to argue. But I am concerned about my health, since I almost died recently and my mother did die. I grew up eating just about everything, even when I had a reaction. I was too busy taking care of others to care for myself. Now I am trying to find out everything I can about what is wrong with me and how I can fix it without meds or operations before it's too late. That's why I joined this forum. And since I am  pre-diabetic also, when my blood sugar gets too low, I get dizzy and nearly pass out unless I get some O.J. or candy. Like you, I'm very busy. I do everything fast and multi-task, and have always striven to be perfect. But what good is that if I'm killing myself?
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I do everything fast and multi-task, and have always striven to be perfect. But what good is that if I'm killing myself?

Oh, so true!



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Sahara, you said "it may be A and other blood types just want to argue and cause chaos like they always do about everything." I'm sorry, but I'm an A- and I'm just the opposite. I hate to argue. But I am concerned about my health, since I almost died recently and my mother did die. I grew up eating just about everything, even when I had a reaction. I was too busy taking care of others to care for myself. Now I am trying to find out everything I can about what is wrong with me and how I can fix it without meds or operations before it's too late. That's why I joined this forum. And since I am  pre-diabetic also, when my blood sugar gets too low, I get dizzy and nearly pass out unless I get some O.J. or candy. Like you, I'm very busy. I do everything fast and multi-task, and have always striven to be perfect. But what good is that if I'm killing myself?



I wouldn't give too much energy or thought to her advice.  I hate to be rude or even sound mean, but she doesn't seem to understand the differences in blood types and genotypes very well and is giving all kinds of advice that is somewhat contradictory to what we learn in these books.  I'm not trying to make her mad, or be rude, or a jerk.  But I've confronted her on this a couple of different times and she doesn't respond directly to the question.  And when someone is giving health advice, and it's almost directly opposed to the things we learn on here, it should probably be addressed.  I don't know if it has been behind the scenes or not, but I'm addressing it here.  It's my thread and I can cry if I want to...... Hhehehhehehehe

If what she follows is working for her, that's GREAT!!  I got no problems with that.  But she seems to think we all need to be doing just what she's doing and I disagree.  



square peg: That's weird about the carrageenan.  Because it's not listed in the ingredients on the peapod website.  And I have to be honest, I've eaten their turkey before and don't have that reaction.  It's only with the beef.  But, I seemed to have found a great alternative with the Organic Prairie.  I've eaten it a few times now and have not had any reactions that I can tell.


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Sometimes I feel a blood sugar crash when I eat a large meal. I think you are doing the right thing by listening to your body and eat every few hours if this works for you. everyone is different... sometimes I can go longer periods without food and feel fine, but typically I lack a ton of energy when I do this.

Keep us posted and just monitor everything you eat along with your feelings before and after the meal, just my thoughts
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Well, I have to say, I've been able to go longer periods of time without any crashes when I eat bigger meals lately.  And I think the fact that I'm eating more protein now.  I used to eat such small amounts of protein at a meal.  Like 2-3 ounces.  Now, I'm going for like 5 ounces and sometimes more.  But my swami allows this, and I need to gain weight.  So......  I don't know if that will keep up or not.    I would hope it does, because I'd rather figure out how to eat less and do other things.  But I had been eating 7 times a day.  Yesterday I ate 6 times.  That is less work.  Hehehhee  But I'm trying to hit a target for calories, so it always just depends on how it all shakes out.  If I can get up to 600 calories and lunch and dinner, that would help things quite a bit.  But I have not figured that out at all.  I've gotten up to 550 at lunch sometimes.  But it's not so easy.  The stars have to align right with the right foods.  There are only so many high calorie meats and veggies.  Many veggies you'd have to eat buckets of to get any significant calories.  That's why I'm eating nuts at many of my meals.


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Try to figure out if it is real hunger or false- real hunger causes fatigue.  I only get real hunger from eating less than I need to.  Carbs can cause blood sugar crashes, at least for Os.
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