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JJR
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I've gotten blood sugar crashes in the last couple days.  I'm not really sure why.  I haven't changed anything all that much.  The only thing I can tell is that I'm really hungry lately.  And I feel like I could eat all day long.  Maybe my body is just needing more food.  I don't know.  I also feel like it's possible I'm fighting some kind of bug.  Although it hasn't been overly apparent.  And I know in the past I've had similar feelings when I'm fighting something.  

I have been eating more applegate farms deli turkey roast beef.  I suppose it's possible that could be messing with me.  It is very pure, but I suppose it could be corn fed cows.  I guess that could do something.  Or there is pepper on it.  I actually wash it off, but I don't get all of it.  Can pepper mess with blood sugar?  

Otherwise I haven't changed anything to lead me to believe I should be struggling with it.  Maybe my body is just going through some kind of change or detox.  

If anyone has any input, I'm all ears.  I'm not freaking about it or anything.  Just wondering if it's something I need to try to overcome.  I gotta go make myself something to eat, I'm super hungry.  Hehehehehe.


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I go through phases where I eat like two pigs, then very little for several days before picking up to normal again...  I'm doing a continuous detox now, so the weirdness is constant...  It feels like I'm fighting bugs - but I think it is just housecleaning.

I don't know what SWAMI says for you, but for the AB the rating is:
    AVOID: Gastric irritant. inhibits proper digestive function.

I guess this could cause some sugar issues...


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Applegate Farms might've changed the way it processes that turkey-beef product.  I would switch to something unprocessed and see if it makes a difference.  If that doesn't help, I would change my way of eating to Lower Glycemic meals, even if it means increasing fats and proteins above the serving suggestions.

Good luck!


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Are you actually measuring your blood sugar or just guessing at figures?

I find anything that might irritate my stomach, including pepper, flavourings or any of these'please eat more of me' additives in anything processed is followed by a call from my stomach to eat anything there is around.
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Quoted from Joyce
Are you actually measuring your blood sugar or just guessing at figures?

I find anything that might irritate my stomach, including pepper, flavourings or any of these'please eat more of me' additives in anything processed is followed by a call from my stomach to eat anything there is around.


I totally agree. Saw a talk show years ago about the food industry and the things they put into the food to make us eat more of it. The talk host had the guest from the food industry just a squirming in his seat!

Companies who process foods generally mess around with us. I'll only eat processed foods from small artisan shops where I ask very direct questions about what's in the food that they prepare. I make it a point to let them know that I have several food allergies and can't be careful enough at times! That's usually when the owner gets called out.  
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I never eat any overly processed meats. The deli counter became a foreign entity to me years ago. One other thing, any peppers are my worst offenders after most dairy.


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Boneless & fully cooked. No antibiotics used (Beef never administered antibiotics, added growth hormones or animal by-products. Vegetarian grain-fed). Humanely raised (Beef raised on sustained family farms in a stress-free environment that promotes natural behavior and socialization). No nitrites or nitrates added. Gluten & casein free. Low fat. US inspected and passed by Department of Agriculture. At Applegate, we create delicious meat products you can feel great about. We believe the best recipe for a happy life is to enjoy great tasting foods that are good for you too. On the farm, we raise our animals humanely feeding them vegetarian grain, and never using antibiotics or animal by-products. Our recipes call for only the best ingredients. Our mission is to change the meat we eat, and we're doing it one meal at a time.

Keep refrigerated. Proper Handling: Store at 29-35 degrees F for optimum freshness. Once opened, product should be used within 5 days. After opening, overwrap unused portion and refrigerate.

Manufacturer:   Applegate Farms
Address:   Bridgewater, NJ 08807
Phone:   866-587-5858

Here's the ingredients:
Beef (Beef Never Administered Antibiotics, Added Growth Hormones or Animal By-Products. Vegetarian Grain-Fed), Salt, Pepper.


You know what, all the beef I've eaten besides this stuff has been grass fed.  I bet this could be a contributor.  Because grain fed probably means bad corn or soy.  Possibly.  Either way, it's not grass fed and I should've thought about that.  I was trying to give myself something easy to have around.  I may not completely give it up, but I was eating more of it than I had been.  

No, I wasn't checking my blood sugar, but I was getting the classic low blood sugar symptoms.  


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Do you drink coffee?  I found out recently that drinking pure black coffee results in a large drop in blood sugar for me, and i get very hungry and feel light and tingly if it is a larger amount.  
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Eat fewer carbs and little or no snacks- insulin is the cause of blood sugar crashes and if you continually graze all day your blood sugar will always be up.
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Blackstrap molasses, have a little in some hot water with carob powder, give it a try.

I am way serious about Vitamin D too.
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I have always been low in Vit D.  So....  You may be right.  I take cod liver oil with D in it for that, but that's it.  Anytime I've tried to supplement D3, I've felt awful.

Sahara, I don't eat wheat and all that.  And I haven't changed my amount of carb intake.  Just rice and oatmeal at night.  And I'm not stopping those, because I can tell I need them for weight gain, energy, etc etc.  It's on my swami to have some.  I'm not going to eliminate them, because when I did that, I got sicker and lighter.   But yeah, eating every 2 hours helps.  The one night I got it real bad I think I stretched past 2 hours.  But, I don't know if I should've gotten as bad as I did.  I think I'm fighting something because I've just been kind of off since Sunday.  And for some reason that has made me more susceptible to blood sugar crashes in the past.  Possibly.  I think the grain fed beef might be part of it too.  It's probably a combo of several things.  The night I got it real bad, I did have a real generous helping of sweet potatoes at dinner.  That could've been part of it too.  But I got it a little bit last night also.  Not as bad though.  It's been after dinner.  I ate a good portion of meat with dinner, so.....  I don't know.


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1)  I think if you are hungry you should EAT!    Make sure you eat what you are supposed to, obviously.  Am I mistaken, or were you trying to gain weight?  Maybe your body is making you hungry to get you to eat.  Are you taking your feeling of hunger as a blood sugar crash?  When my blood sugar crashes, I get dizzy and cranky and have very low energy, start dragging my feet and bumping into things.  When I'm hungry I just feel hungry, not the other stuff.

2)  It might be a good idea to limit the deli counter stuff, even if it is good quality.  Try abstaining and see if you feel more satisfied.  If you have been eating enough and you still feel hungry, then it would appear that your body is missing something -- rather like when I crave carbs because I have not been eating enough veggies.  Not saying that is your case, but just as an example.

Best intentions.  Hope you get it worked out.  
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I would not want to eat meat that had been sitting in my fridge for five days. I stick all of it in the freezer because of my problem with mold - and that means the kind you can't even see too. I notice that they recommend 29-35 degrees. The middle of my fridge right now is around 36-37 and that is colder than a lot of refrigerators.


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Just an FYI JJR, all applegate farms ORGANIC beef is grass fed, the natural line is not. And I also have to eat small and often to keep glucose stable. Eating large meals raises my sugar too high and it actually makes me hungrier. I still, even after a larger meal have to eat soon. I just did an experiment and tracked my sugars every hour on the hour. Small meals stayed between 89 and 111 all day,usually closer to 92-94 and larger meals went higher. I felt better on the smaller meal day as well. I ahve also started eating smaller amounts of protein at one time but 4 times a day, like 2-2.5 oz each time with some tahini, a few nuts or some veggies with a little fat in between. It's working out well for me. I don't at all care for that hypo feeling, it can get scarey.
Best of luck


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I think blood sugar crashes aside from eating gross amounts of sugar, come from deficiencies in other things, or from having serious damage to your pancreas; like being an abusive diabetic for years. If you can keep up on the stuff you need (zinc, vitamin D, fats, etc etc) you should be fine.

Vitamin D in regular amounts (under 4k units) per day should make you feel good. If it doesn't then maybe your body is starting to deal with latent problems that you will have to go through.
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actually, yes on the fats. Are you eating enough fat? That helps me as much as protein, if not more


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I might not be getting enough fats.  I have been frying an egg in butter in the AM, but it's like 1/2 teaspoon and even all of that doesn't get on the egg.  And then I use about a teaspoon in my grain at night.  And then I take a teaspoon of cod liver oil every day.  And then I try to fit some evoo at my lunch and dinner.  But that is usually only about 1/2 teaspoon.  My swami really only wants me to have a tablespoon the whole day, but it might be I need a little bit more right now.  

And yes, I am not mixing up hungry with low blood sugar.  I just mentioned the two together, meaning being hungry might be a reason that I AM hypo.  I don't know.  

I might have to muscle test some mineral supplement DoS.  That might be a piece of it.  I don't think it's about the portions I eat.  I haven't changed that and it's just the last few days I've been getting this symptom.  

And yeah, I had carob powder the other night that I got it real strong thinking it might help.  I thought I had read that somewhere it is good for blood sugar levels.  Isn't cinnamon also?


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Fats will slow your carb response down but I'm not sure 1/2 tsp will do it. It's alawys a good rule for everyone to eat fats with carbs. Just a thought...


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I do typically eat fats with carbs.  Just not a lot of fat.  

I remember a chiro told me a long time ago that it's not blood sugar if you feel lightheaded still after eating.  And today, that's how it's been.  It's just kind of a lingering feeling.  I bet I've caught something and it's creeping up on me.  Or something is off like DoS is saying.  I doubt it's so much the food.  I suppose it could be that beef, but I am hoping not.  I like to have it on hand for quick meals.  And if I eat a little bit of meat at a snack.  It's easy to grab an ounce or .5 ounces.  Although I have turkey meat for that too, that I've been eating forever and I know that doesn't mess with me.  Organic Prairie is a good company with good products.  You know, they have beef too.  Maybe I'll try theirs instead and see if it makes a difference.  


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Blackstrap molasses. Try it.
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Just an FYI JJR, all applegate farms ORGANIC beef is grass fed, the natural line is not. And I also have to eat small and often to keep glucose stable. Eating large meals raises my sugar too high and it actually makes me hungrier. I still, even after a larger meal have to eat soon. I just did an experiment and tracked my sugars every hour on the hour. Small meals stayed between 89 and 111 all day,usually closer to 92-94 and larger meals went higher. I felt better on the smaller meal day as well. I ahve also started eating smaller amounts of protein at one time but 4 times a day, like 2-2.5 oz each time with some tahini, a few nuts or some veggies with a little fat in between. It's working out well for me. I don't at all care for that hypo feeling, it can get scarey.Best of luck

I do not like to eat a big meal at all either. I eat six or seven times a day . Three of them are balanced meals and the others are diamond snacks. Great post, Mother!


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Fats will slow your carb response down but I'm not sure 1/2 tsp will do it. It's alawys a good rule for everyone to eat fats with carbs. Just a thought...


Maybe not right for everyone as I know an 'O' who was researching his own blood sugar levels and was almost obsessive over the testing - he found carbs with fats sent his BS levels very high..... now he has a very low carb diet.... very active guy too.

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I might not be getting enough fats.  I have been frying an egg in butter


You might get a better fat-hit using ghee  

Cinnamon is recommended as a BS stabiliser.

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I also am very low carb. My carbs come from non starchy veggies and some nuts and a few berries or a bite or two fo a lower sugar fruit. I'm around 15-20 net carbs a day. Any and all grains raise my sugars no matter how much fat I use. I really son't miss the grains and  if I'm going to eat something that's higher in carbs, it's going to be something worth it, not rice or grains.

Joyce, is your friend diabetic? I have not been diagnosed but if I ate grains or more carbs I'm pretty sure I would be. I've pretty much always been low carb but was over-eating protein for lack of food and that was raising my BS too. Now the smaller amounts spaced throughout the day helps. I understand the OCD thing too as I was getting like that trying to figure out why it was getting higher. Now I have put the glucometer back in the closet as I am very happy with my experiment. It gave me a lot of good information.


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