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gardengirl
Sunday, January 29, 2012, 4:00pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Just looking for some help for where I am from???? My Dad is First Nations/Scottish and my Mother is Scottish/Irish/French Canadian. What would you mark off? I am light haired/skinned with blue eyes. All my siblings are dark with dark eyes. Yeah, I may have to do some DNA testing - ha ha. Siblings teased me of this in our young years.
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These are your choices on SWAMI:



SWAMI does not identify what it is using as a standard for Ethnicity divisions.

Your mixture would be Northern European with Western European or just Western European depend on what you used as a standard.

The United Nations Statistical Division divides Europe this way:

Eastern Europe
Belarus
Bulgaria
Czech Republic
Hungary
Poland
Republic of Moldova
Romania
Russian Federation
Slovakia
Ukraine

Northern Europe
Åland Islands
Channel Islands
Denmark
Estonia
Faeroe Islands
Finland
Guernsey
Iceland
Ireland
Isle of Man
Jersey
Latvia
Lithuania
Norway
Sark
Svalbard and Jan Mayen Islands
Sweden
United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland

Southern Europe
Albania
Andorra
Bosnia and Herzegovina
Croatia
Gibraltar
Greece
Holy See
Italy
Malta
Montenegro
Portugal
San Marino
Serbia
Slovenia
Spain
The former Yugoslav Republic of Macedonia

Western Europe
Austria
Belgium
France
Germany
Liechtenstein
Luxembourg
Monaco
Netherlands
Switzerland

SWAMI includes Central Europe--the UN Statistical Division does not divide Central out, these countries are commonly considered to be Central European:

Austria, Czech Republic, Germany, Hungary, Slovakia and Poland




If you are concerned you can run SWAMI with it set to Western Europe and then set to Northern Europe and see if your food list changes.




If you decide to get genetic testing done you can enter the Haplogroup information into SWAMI. In my limited experience, adding haplogroup info leads to more food shifts than switching from Western to Northern European.



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O in Virginia
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Quoted from C_Sharp
If you decide to get genetic testing done you can enter the Haplogroup information into SWAMI. In my limited experience, adding haplogroup info leads to more food shifts than switching from Western to Northern European.


That's good to know.  My ethnicity is pretty much evenly divided between northern and western Europe.  If I enter "western" I get 40% explorer, and if I enter "northern" I get 38% explorer, but I don't think the food values vary much, if at all.  I'm going to play with that today and see (it gets tedious, though, looking from one to the other and trying to remember which one I'm looking at, lol).  I'd like to get my haplogroup info this year to enter into swami.
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OinV, I want to do that also! I am so curious.
However, I would put Spain and Portugal along with France in Western Europe. For that matter, it is those countries along with Italy are the Latin based cultures and languages of Europe.  
I just decided which ethnicity I belong to the most.
Even though both of my parents have some Irish bloodlines they both have more French
than any other. My Mom has a Jewish grandfather and an Italian grandfather; and my Dad's maternal grandmother was half Comanche.....there are more French lines on both sides so I put Western Europe.


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Great question, I wondered this, too.  I've got one Northern (Irish), one Southern (Italian) and one Western or Central (German)...there's no box to tick for "a dash from everywhere"!  


Whenever I feel blue, I start breathing again!
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I've got dutch, English, Scottish and more, and American Indian I checked the european one, and then the American Indian there where no changes for me.


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I compared western european vs. norther european again, just to see, and there was no difference either.  Not in food, nor in % of genotype this time.  I wonder how much of a difference haplogroup will make?     I suppose other factors are more conclusive (ratios, medical conditions, etc.).
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DL,
So great you have a swami! I like to "re-run" it every now and then!

OinV,
Are you going to try the National Geographic test? I think I will when I can afford it. My Dad keeps telling me to hurry up before he is gone! He is joking but at almost 82??????? He is the only one I can use , which of course he is the best ,
because his brother has passed and I am an only child.


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If you are interested in both haplotypes of a male for SWAMI, you may want to use 23&ME and get a lot of other genetic data for the same price as two national geographic tests.

https://www.23andme.com/


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I tried all of them too and I'm still a Hunter. Time to create a new spot for "Canadian Mutt".
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ME I am French my parents are children of settlers in Algeria and the two sides back as I can grandparents Spanish ...... I have to hispanic or southern Europe? it is more hispanic South America. I wanted to add that given by (de France) Spain is not the south south west ....... = Italy, Spain, Portugal, Croatia etc. .... mediterranean ......


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O in Virginia
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OinV,
Are you going to try the National Geographic test? I think I will when I can afford it. My Dad keeps telling me to hurry up before he is gone! He is joking but at almost 82??????? He is the only one I can use , which of course he is the best ,
because his brother has passed and I am an only child.


Yes, I was thinking of doing that sometime this year.  My father died in the 1980s.  I'm an only child.  

Quoted from C_Sharp
If you are interested in both haplotypes of a male for SWAMI, you may want to use 23&ME and get a lot of other genetic data for the same price as two national geographic tests.

https://www.23andme.com/


Thanks for the link, will check that out.  
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I'm sorry, O!
So you will use your own swab of DNA to find out your maternal side then?
I want to do both sides but figure I need to do my dad first, me second.
Do you have any male cousins or uncles on your Dad's side?

Thanks for the link C-sharp!


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I'm sorry, O!
So you will use your own swab of DNA to find out your maternal side then?
I want to do both sides but figure I need to do my dad first, me second.
Do you have any male cousins or uncles on your Dad's side?

Thanks for the link C-sharp!


There are no males on my dad's side that would work for this.     My only male cousins are the sons of my aunt.  My father and his brother had girls.  My dad, his brothers, and my grandfather are all gone now.  Maternal will have to suffice.  But I think that is so cool anyway.  
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Yes, it is all so cool! I find the whole subject totally fascinating!


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I think this is the most recent thread on determining ancestry for SWAMI. Please correct me if there's a better thread, Lola!

Plugging my maternal haplogroup worked really well, but when it asked me to choose northern or western European, that changes me from Hunter to Explorer, so I want to make sure I get it right.

My 23andme data says I'm 43% British/Irish, and 24% French/German. Does that make me "northern European" per SWAMI? 23andme says 97% Northern European.

It doesn't make a lot of difference in SWAMI between Hunter and Explorer except the number of servings of various protein sources. And a few minor nut/bean tweaks.


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- Yes I would consider you  Northern European


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I put Northern European


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I've tried Northern and Western (Irish and German) and nothing changed, at least that I noticed so I just left it blank now


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When I first ran my swami I was between western and southern European.
Like you, MissP, it placed me at either Teacher or explorer. One was 39% and the other 40%. So... The difference in food was slight, mostly portions of meat and poultry and moving of fruits from super to neutral.
I tested with 23andME in November 2013. I only knew my Mt DNA but at least had a haplogroup to enter into my swami. It changed my food! It was not drastic but as an example it took away celery and many cheeses.
I was recently "found" on 23andME by a male first cousin's daughter on my dad's side....hid dad and my dad are brothers...so...his Y DNA would be the same as mine. Now, I plan to put that in my swami and see what happens.    


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When I first ran my swami I was between western and southern European.
Like you, MissP, it placed me at either Teacher or explorer. One was 39% and the other 40%. So... The difference in food was slight, mostly portions of meat and poultry and moving of fruits from super to neutral.
I tested with 23andME in November 2013. I only knew my Mt DNA but at least had a haplogroup to enter into my swami. It changed my food! It was not drastic but as an example it took away celery and many cheeses.
I was recently "found" on 23andME by a male first cousin's daughter on my dad's side....hid dad and my dad are brothers...so...his Y DNA would be the same as mine. Now, I plan to put that in my swami and see what happens.    


Oh, cool! I hope it works out for you. My dad was an only child, but he's only 69, so maybe I can get him to do it soon. I know his mom had a lot of brothers and sisters, and when I only had my son's DNA done, there was a male ancestor, but I think his common ancestor to me was a female.

I guess it's a minor distinction for me on SWAMI, either way. Seeing as I'm almost 97% Northern European, I suspect my dad's haplogroup probably has some overlap with mom's. He looks very British/Northern European.

It's all very fascinating!


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