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NancyEllen
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I was drinking a Metagenics shake from my Naturopath's office and for months was feeling bloated, fatigued and not myself.  I had an IgG test done and soy was not one of my allergens.  In the Metagenics shake, soy was the first ingredient.  I decided to stop the shake and I slowly started feeling better.  My ND gave me Designs for Health Phosphatidyl Serine Powder to help get my sleeping pattern back in order.  I have to buy a new container and tonight I was looking at the ingredients and it says "from 1000 mg of Soy Lecithin."  Do you think this would bother me?


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check out Dr D s shakes.....compliant for you

if you ran a swami, you d know how SL rates for you individually

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Many Os that do poorly with soy do fine with soy lecithin.


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Soy lecithin is still kind of a confusing issue for me. I've asked about it on this site but am still confused. SWAMI just confuses me more. I've scanned the archives here on this site. I think Heidi said it was fine, but SWAMI still says it's an avoid (granules). Plain lecithin is neutral in the condiments area. I'm not sure what the difference is.

Massive confusion.
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Thanks C sharp!  

Lola, I looked at my Swami and under condiments it says Lecithin is a neutral for me.  It doesn't say soy lecithin though.  I have my compliant shake from Dr. D but right now I am healing my gut and egg whites are an allergen for me.  


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Soy lecithin is still kind of a confusing issue for me. I've asked about it on this site but am still confused. SWAMI just confuses me more. I've scanned the archives here on this site.



You probably are not going to be comforted with my response.

The SWAMI entry for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin", I do not think is for Lecithin at all.

I checked the internal data in SWAMI (this is not possible in SWAMI Xpress).

"Soybean Granules, Lecithin" has no choline at all. Which is one of the major reason one uses Lecithin.

All nutrient values for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" appear to be identical to "Soybean Meal"

Assuming that this is the case everyone should have the same rating for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" and "Soybean Meal"

The data appears to be for soybean meal and not be for Lecithin.

I am e-mailing Bob.


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All nutrient values for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" appear to be identical to "Soybean Meal"


Soybean Flour  
Soybean Granules, Lecithin this one is the granulated soy lecithin
Soybean Meal

Lecithin  under condiments is the liquid one made from soy


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You probably are not going to be comforted with my response.

The SWAMI entry for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin", I do not think is for Lecithin at all.

I checked the internal data in SWAMI (this is not possible in SWAMI Xpress).

"Soybean Granules, Lecithin" has no choline at all. Which is one of the major reason one uses Lecithin.

All nutrient values for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" appear to be identical to "Soybean Meal"

Assuming that this is the case everyone should have the same rating for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" and "Soybean Meal"

The data appears to be for soybean meal and not be for Lecithin.

I am e-mailing Bob.


Thank you! Thank you! Thank you!

I wonder what Bob has to say.
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Soybean Flour  
Soybean Granules, Lecithin this one is the granulated soy lecithin
Soybean Meal

Lecithin  under condiments is the liquid one made from soy


Yes, but C sharp says that the granules don't contain choline in SWAMI. This means it probably has the same rating as soybean meal.

Do you think that because it is liquid the nutrition changes?
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Yes, but C sharp says that the granules don't contain choline in SWAMI.


Lola knows what she is talking about. She has corrected my misstatements.

I am only guessing/speculating. I have no knowledge.

In SWAMI it is not unusual for data to be blank when accurate representative data is not available.  It is also possible that choline data is not currently used in SWAMI, but may be added in the future.


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Quoted from Lola


Soybean Flour  
Soybean Granules, Lecithin this one is the granulated soy lecithin
Soybean Meal

Lecithin  under condiments is the liquid one made from soy


This is interesting.  Because soybean flour is a superfood for me.  So I guess Soy Lecithin is OK too.  They put it in some chocolate bars I think.


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Lecithin is an emulsifier and so it is put into many foods including chocolate bars. The problem is that most lecithin is made from genetically modified soy. I purchase a soy lecithin granules that are non GMO by a company named NOW.
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yeah, that darn GMO soy.  I think I usually buy the ones that say non GMO soy lecithin.  I'll have a look see.


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This is an interesting point. I had always thought that soy lecithin had at least some of the same protein structure are soy. However talking with a few industry people, I was surprised to find out that soy lecithin does not have any soy DNA in it, let alone soy protein. It is just the highly specific nature of the purification process. Phosphatidyl compounds go one way and proteins (hence DNA) go the other.


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There still must be something beneficial in it as I have no gallbladder and when I introduced this into my diet I felt such a relief. Then I waited one month and added Hepatiguard and now everything feels wonderful in there!!! (I tried the Explorer supplement for the liver but my body could not handle it very well and I think I recall seeing a post where Dr. D. said you shouldn't take it if you have no g.b. but I could not find the thread again).
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Lola knows what she is talking about. She has corrected my misstatements.

I am only guessing/speculating. I have no knowledge.

In SWAMI it is not unusual for data to be blank when accurate representative data is not available.  It is also possible that choline data is not currently used in SWAMI, but may be added in the future.


I see... Well I appreciate the effort from both you and Lola!
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This is an interesting point. I had always thought that soy lecithin had at least some of the same protein structure are soy. However talking with a few industry people, I was surprised to find out that soy lecithin does not have any soy DNA in it, let alone soy protein. It is just the highly specific nature of the purification process. Phosphatidyl compounds go one way and proteins (hence DNA) go the other.


Thank you for your time Dr. D! Does that apply to the granules as well, or only to the liquid lecithin Lola is talking about?

The reason I'm asking is because Soy granules, Lecithin is an avoid for me in SWAMi, whereas "Lecithin" in the condiments section is a neutral.

Thank you! I'm telling everyone I know about SWAMI!
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Thanks Dr. D!  I appreciate the information.  


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Okay just found the answer on my Swami, I missed it last night:

Under Vegetable Proteins, Best Avoided:

Soybean Granules, Lecithin •


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nancy, a black dot is an infrequent neutral, once you ve reached whatever it is you are trying to reset


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this was very interesting... not that it matter much to me... anything with the word "soy" attached is an avoid for me very interesting that soy lecithin doesn't contain any soy proteins any longer. makes me wonder what's in it that i cant have.


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It is just the highly specific nature of the purification process.

I hear a question mark in here (I hope I hear well)    



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You probably are not going to be comforted with my response.

The SWAMI entry for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin", I do not think is for Lecithin at all.

I checked the internal data in SWAMI (this is not possible in SWAMI Xpress).

"Soybean Granules, Lecithin" has no choline at all. Which is one of the major reason one uses Lecithin.

All nutrient values for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" appear to be identical to "Soybean Meal"

Assuming that this is the case everyone should have the same rating for "Soybean Granules, Lecithin" and "Soybean Meal"

The data appears to be for soybean meal and not be for Lecithin.

I am e-mailing Bob.


I just had time to read this.  So I will disregard the Soy Lecithin entry in my Swami Xpress.  Thanks C Sharp and Dr. D.


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The lecithin entry has been changed to reflect new realities.


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