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Damon
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I was wondering;
What is (supposedly) worse for an A-type for whom both wheat and meat are straight avoids?
For example: would it be better to opt for a beef-dish with rice, or for a vegetarian-spaghetti? Any thoughts?
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I was wondering;
What is (supposedly) worse for an A-type for whom both wheat and meat are straight avoids?
For example: would it be better to opt for a beef-dish with rice, or for a vegetarian-spaghetti? Any thoughts?

I think individuality will affect the answer to this question more than anything else.  In either case, you die a little bit.  
Someone with celiac disease will be more affected by the wheat, but someone with or highly susceptible to cancer may be more affected by the beef.


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Personally, and this is just my opinion....most As can tolerate some wheat without major problems...I happen to be gluten intolerant and don't eat wheat...but if you haven't been diagnosed as being gluten intolerant ...I'd say choose wheat over beef. With low alkaline phosphatase, As don't metabolize beef ...which could lead to excessive polyamine production, create putrefaction in the gut....give you more gut problems..Your goal is to heal your gut.  As a Teacher I can choose lamb over beef. As a Warrior, do you get any veal?

Are you following a SWAMI?  Does your diet not allow you any forms of wheat at all? If you're
referring to eating in a restaurant...if I want pasta, I bring bring a bag of rice pasta with me and ask the kitchen to use it instead of wheat pasta. Just have to ask them not to use the same water
that wheat pasta was cooked in...


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Why is it that one someone brings up the word "MEAT" everyone jumps to the conclusion they're talking about beef?  Maybe he is talking about beef, I don't know, but that's not how I read it.

As far as I know, MEAT includes, fish, poultry, and red meats. From snails to Buffalo and every living thing in between that has muscle mass to gnaw on.

  Fish is a good choice for many A's.  Poultry is a good choice for many A's.  And even a little bit of red meat is a good choice for some A's.  How much will depend on you.  A little, a lot, I don't know.  Maybe a little. Your secretor status plays into this.  Maybe a little bit of rabbit or lamb.  Some turkey.  A little bit of chicken.  Mmmmmmmmm....  

I don't really understand why you would compare wheat and meat together.  They are totally different food groups.  One is a carbohydrate, the other is meat.  There is no way any of us could tell you what is good or isn't good by just knowing your blood type.  If that's the only information I had to go on, I'd say, eat away.  Just try to get pure sources of whatever food you're eating.  And even that, there is no guarantee it is.  There may be better choices for carbs, like brown rice, or oatmeal, or quinoa.  Or something like that.  But to lump either of these two foods, ESPECIALLY MEAT, into a negative category is not a wise move, in my humble opinion.  Well, much of the wheat sold in this country is suspect.  But then so is a lot of the meat.  We just try to be careful about our sources and types in our family.


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From what I've read wheat has been so engineered over the past 40+ years it sounds like most of us should avoid it. As far as meat goes, I eat turkey and chicken. Turkey is a superfood.
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Why is it that one someone brings up the word "MEAT" everyone jumps to the conclusion they're talking about beef?  Maybe he is talking about beef, I don't know, but that's not how I read it.


JJR...the way I understood Damon posing this question was asking us if faced between eating beef or wheat for an A, which is worse?  Of course these foods have nothing to do with one another...and I've been in a similar
dilemma, in a restaurant....being faced with menus that didn't give me great options...and so I've chosen the
least disruptive food.  We all know it's more about eating beneficial foods to enhance health as it would
take 100% compliance to avoid every single toxin.......but sometimes
just having more information regarding how toxins negatively impact our bodies is helpful for newbies.

Damon did write the word beef....He mentioned a beef dish with rice..

Personally, I wouldn't call fish meat....nor would I think of poultry as meat. I think of meat being from a large
animal with 4 legs.  Just the context of how I've always used the word "meat".  Perhaps you 're associating
the term meat and assuming creatures with "flesh" are meat??  


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I referred to wheat and meat that are straight avoids for an A, so obviously I wasn't referring to turkey and fish (the latter isn't even meat IMO). A title limits the characters to be used so I couldn't make a perfect description there.

And I don't think this is a stupid question. I (and many others with me) have to make this choice frequently between 'the least bad of two bads'.

For the sake of simplicity, assume beef vs. durum spaghetti or bread; both holding the label 'straight avoid'. I do feel there is likely a difference in the degree of 'badness', but am not sure in which direction..

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@ Chloe; spot on. And I must agree I'd personally neither refer to poultry as meat either...

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I referred to wheat and meat that are straight avoids for an A, so obviously I wasn't referring to turkey and fish (the latter isn't even meat IMO). A title limits the characters to be used so I couldn't make a perfect description there.

And I don't think this is a stupid question. I (and many others with me) have to make this choice frequently between 'the least bad of two bads'.

For the sake of simplicity, assume beef vs. durum spaghetti or bread; both holding the label 'straight avoid'. I do feel there is likely a difference in the degree of 'badness', but am not sure in which direction..


It certainly is not a stupid question....I totally get where you're coming from. Just know that
your level of compliancy is going to change as time goes on...and you will probably try and
focus on your beneficials...You will also start to be more in tuned with your body so you can
more acutely "feel" how foods impact you in a negative way.  My husband is type A....and he
randomly eats beef...I notice it makes him more aggressive...so perhaps what his gut is telling
him is "this isn't my best food choice -- my gut is irritable and it's making me irritable too".  He eats a lot of pasta....and is forever snoring..I noticed when we ate Asian food and his starch was rice, he didn't snore that night...

This diet winds up becoming rather self correcting....Although what might negatively impact
your "A" body won't remotely affect me and visa versa...

Best is to focus on the beneficial foods...start feeling better..if you happen to eat a toxin every now and then (because nobody has to be 100% compliant unless they want to be) each toxic food will become your teacher. Dr. D says the healthier you are, the less negatively your body will
react to toxins..

So I think you asked a good question....although it's apparent that it became more provocative a question than you probably intended. Good luck with your diet


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Quoted from JJR
Why is it that one someone brings up the word "MEAT" everyone jumps to the conclusion they're talking about beef?

I answered his question which posed a specific scenario.


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For the sake of simplicity, assume beef vs. durum spaghetti or bread; both holding the label 'straight avoid'. I do feel there is likely a difference in the degree of 'badness', but am not sure in which direction..

Each person will probably have to determine this for themselves, and the reaction strength or time to feel it may change over time.


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For this A:

Beef - Headaches
Pork-hives,indigestion
Wheat - indigestion, flatulence,headaches, depression

For me beef is better than wheat, but pork has more immediately visible symptoms than wheat

I agree with Joe "Each person will probably have to determine this for themselves,"


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. . your level of compliancy is going to change as time goes on...and you will probably try and focus on your beneficials...You will also start to be more in tuned with your body so you can more acutely "feel" how foods impact you in a negative way.  

This diet winds up becoming rather self correcting....

Best is to focus on the beneficial foods...start feeling better..if you happen to eat a toxin every now and then each toxic food will become your teacher.


Good perspective.  Experience will show which foods are more detrimental.

I'm assuming this is restaurant eating that is being discussed.  Otherwise, a person could choose rice pasta over wheat pasta and a compliant flesh food protein over beef.



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This A cannot eat red meat because it all literally "goes right through me" like a tornado! I am only able to eat turkey, fish, and limited chicken. I believe meat is definitely toxic to me!  

Wheat I can barely tolerate but it causes several unpleasant/life altering sinus and respiratory problems for me. Not worth it!

When eating out, the only choice sometimes is a salad...pick out avoids they "forget"
to remove and ask for olive oil on the side with fresh lemon. ( Carry a Lara bar or bag of nuts with you.)


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I stand corrected as I guess I didn't fully grasp the exercise.  

I don't agree, however, that poultry isn't considered "meat".  If it's not meat, what is it than?  Even fish I've never heard of it not being a "meat".  Meat is muscle.  That's how I see it.  


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I guess its just a matter of interpretation and personal reference. However, the majority of people does -afaik- categorize 'animal flesh' in the categories meat, poultry and fish. Meat is meat, poultry is poultry and fish is fish. Easy as that.

Wikipedia states "The term "meat" is used by the meat packing industry in a more restrictive sense—the flesh of mammalian species (pigs, cattle, etc.) raised and prepared for human consumption, to the exclusion of fish and poultry."

This result seems quite clear as well: http://www.google.com/search?q=meat&hl=en&tbm=isch

But of course terminology isn't all that important.
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For me personally meat (beef with rice) would be worse then vegetarian pasta dish.

Meat really gets to me, white flour products only bother me if I eat it several days after each other. Whole wheat however bothers me the same day.

But it's very personal and you should try both and see which gives you a worse reaction.




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I stand corrected as I guess I didn't fully grasp the exercise.  

I don't agree, however, that poultry isn't considered "meat".  If it's not meat, what is it than?  Even fish I've never heard of it not being a "meat".  Meat is muscle.  That's how I see it.  


It is confusing since the same words have different meanings for different people, but so you don't feel alone, JJR, I totally agree with you.  I eat zero red meat, but I eat a lot of meat


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Flesh foods are considered meats. Milk from mammals and eggs from poultry are not flesh foods but products that come from living animals. Milk and eggs are considered protein foods like meat. Vegetarians that consume milk and eggs are lactoovo-vegetarians. But to me it is debatable as to whether they should be called vegetarians. A real vegetarian is a vegan (no meat and no milk, eggs, honey or other animal products)

Red meats such as beef, veal, mutton, lamb, goat, venison, buffalo, and other meats from the elk family are considered to be dense proteins. Although sometimes fish can have just as high a  protein content than beef. Lean cuts of beef are thus higher in protein than more fatty/grain fed animals.

Poultry, fish and eggs in general are also protein foods, but more commonly referred to as lighter animal proteins. This is because the amino acid content of these flesh foods are different. In some dietary circles lighter proteins are considered best for rebuilding weakened thyroid or adrenal glands.

To answer the question as to which is better for a type A is a matter of the individual. I get venison,moose and caribou on my SWAMI as well as lamb and those are red meats.


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Cpt Janeway, where were you in that thread when people were trying to say any red meat is bad news for A's????    


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I'm really allergic to wheat, (or anything with gluten) always have been,... not only skin tests and blood tests but immediate reactions of runny nose, flem, sinus headache and very elevated pulse. In fact, I have almost as bad a reaction to any kind of grains. I don't seem to have a reaction to beef, but since I am an A, I probably do that I'm just not aware of. I don't eat wheat and I've quit eating beef.
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This argument is becoming one of semantics and I personally don't think it matters what we
each call "meat"...We all come from different states, different parts of the world where our
individual terminology for everything will have variables based on what we're used to
hearing and calling foods in our every day language.......In my world, meat isn't what it is
called in everyone else's world....

The question  posed was really about which food would be worse for a blood type A to eat.....beef or wheat...and I think we're all in agreement that it depends on our individuality.  Some As tolerate wheat and some don't.  Beef is considered a type A toxin whereas wheat isn't. But still, it's how good your gut is functioning.  The healthier you are, the more you tolerate a variety of foods!

Damon, I suggest you focus on your beneficials as much as possible and keep a record how you react to wheat or beef when you eat either.  You will be able to answer your own question based
on how these foods make you feel!  I don't think there is a right or wrong answer  




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I was wondering;
What is (supposedly) worse for an A-type for whom both wheat and meat are straight avoids?
For example: would it be better to opt for a beef-dish with rice, or for a vegetarian-spaghetti? Any thoughts?


The beef would be the worst for me, by far. But that might not be the case with you.


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For me, Wheat is far more evil than beef... not just because of the immediate symptoms but once I start eating Wheat it's a HUGE Craving for me... once I start... It's an avalanche of wheat products. I love Wheat in the form of a dessert too!


A married to an O, with toddlers A daughter and O Son.

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white flour products only bother me if I eat it several days after each other. Whole wheat however bothers me the same day.

But it's very personal and you should try both and see which gives you a worse reaction.


Ditto, which is a pain when I live with a bread addicted man! I do treat myself to a slice of toast  now and again, but while living alone never ate bread at all.
I can get away with the very occasional beef mince lasagne.

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This argument is becoming one of semantics and I personally don't think it matters what we
each call "meat"...We all come from different states, different parts of the world where our
individual terminology for everything will have variables based on what we're used to
hearing and calling foods in our every day language.......In my world, meat isn't what it is
called in everyone else's world....

The question  posed was really about which food would be worse for a blood type A to eat.....beef or wheat...and I think we're all in agreement that it depends on our individuality.  Some As tolerate wheat and some don't.  Beef is considered a type A toxin whereas wheat isn't. But still, it's how good your gut is functioning.  The healthier you are, the more you tolerate a variety of foods!

Damon, I suggest you focus on your beneficials as much as possible and keep a record how you react to wheat or beef when you eat either.  You will be able to answer your own question based
on how these foods make you feel!  I don't think there is a right or wrong answer  





I started it.  I apologize for sounding harsh if I did.  I agree that it's all individuality.  I'm still struggling with the pairing of the two, because in the example, I think you would be hard pressed to find a restaurant that doesn't offer chicken or fish, or some other kind of protein.  And you can just skip wheat and go for rice many times also.  Maybe those options aren't always available, but the scenario just seems like a stretch and I don't see how choosing between one or the other even makes sense to ME.  But it does to the OP, Damon, and I didn't mean to make anyone bad.  My brain just doesn't work that way.  God knows I have a hard time being flexible sometimes and rolling with the flow.  Hehehhe.  So I apologize!

But I mentioned chicken and if I was an A and had a choice between Grass Fed pure beef and a perdue chicken, I'd go for the beef I think.  I think there is a lot to be said for the source.  Most commercially raised chickens are super suspect to having nothing more than a negative affect on our health, possibly.   Even Dr. D talks about the sources we get our meats.  But you have to eat, so......   It can't always be perfect.  


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