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BluesSinger
Friday, January 6, 2012, 1:53pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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Just wondering about Tomatoes.  They are ok on my Swami but it seems when I eat them, my thumb joints bust out in a horrible burning and aching sensation.  Now there seems to be some osteoarthritis in my joints there even though the xrays show nothing.  My Chiro says they are calicum build up.. (?)

So will even a few bites of tomatoes cause this to happen?  

How horrible if I had to give them up.  they are so wonderful in my meat dishes.  (:  

And my 2nd question is, will tomatoes (if they are the culprit), make my 'supposed' osteoarthritis worse or just make my joints hurt for awhile after I eat them?

Thanks much...

P.S.  I have osteoarthritis in my left knee for sure and it does not hurt when i eat tomaotoes.. ???

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Do you have the arthritis history as part of your SWAMI input?
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Friday, January 6, 2012, 3:42pm Report to Moderator Report to Moderator

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No I do not actually... I'm supposing that suddenly my Swami will say no tomatoes?  

I still would like to hear from others with tomato experiences relating to pain...

And I'd really like to know the 'million dollar' question for me which is:  Do tomatoes themselves cause the osteoarthritis to get worse or just cause a pain reaction for awhile?  
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No I do not actually... I'm supposing that suddenly my Swami will say no tomatoes?  

  


Why don't you make the change and see what it says? If arthritis symptoms are problematic or might become problematic with time that would seem the best course to take.

You are always free to ignore SWAMI recommendations for whatever reason you choose.
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Tomatoes are among the nightshade vegetables and are notorious for exacerbating inflamation  


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Quoted from BluesSinger
I'd really like to know the 'million dollar' question for me which is:  Do tomatoes themselves cause the osteoarthritis to get worse or just cause a pain reaction for awhile?  

I really doubt that there is a reliable definitive answer to this question.  So much depends on individuality that who is to say exactly how your body will respond and whether the initial trigger is tomato or something else is triggering the initial inflammation and tomato is making it worse.  In either case, it seems like less pain and inflammation is better, so tomato should be minimized until the body has a chance to heal more.


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agree with ABJoe... not sure if there is a definitive answer on this one.

What i do know though, based on personal experience, is that tomatoes cause me no end of problems! I had joint pain for a long time (every major joint), as well as tendonitis in my shoulders and elbows. Once switching to BDT and then SWAMI (both tell me no tomatoes), the joint pain has vanished. I am still resolving the tendonitis in my right shoulder, but i know that is due in part to my work.

What surprised me about tomatoes was this... if i get some now (whether by accident or having a lack of other available choices) the next day... joint pain. But it isn't only that... my sinuses are swollen and inflamed, the insides of my mouth are swollen (cheeks, tongue and gums), my eyes are blood shot, my intestines are very unhappy with me!

And it's not just me, i know a few others (Os & Bs) who can't have tomatoes and their reactions are similar... it's like the tomato just inflames everything. Potatoes do this too.

I guess i look at it this way... if you scrape a bit of sandpaper over your knuckles, it's a bit uncomfortable and inflamed but not unbearable. But if you do this every day, it will eventually get worse and will not heal. This is how i look at food that cause inflammation for me.

As for substitutions... i went thru tomato withdrawl and a tomato pity-party for a while, but there are alternatives. If you can have peppers... Puréed roasted red pepper makes a nice base (even tho they are part of the night shade family also, they don't cause this reaction for me). Another good sauce base is puréed beets and carrots. It seasons up quite nicely and has a similar texture and richness to tomato sauce.

good luck!


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Peppers and eggplant are not as bad as tomato and potato?

Yeah. If I try joint problem history, tomatoes make a big leap from diamond to avoid. But tomato juice remains neutral, why's that? I'm sure this topic has been discussed earlier, but it's an interesting question.


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My swami put tomatoes as an avoid, but gave me tomatillo as neutral. The garden book says they are used for salsa so maybe that could be an alternative.


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I adore the fresh juicy taste sensation of a tomato & haven't noticed joint problems from eating them...(I only had a few bites last time I tried them...)
However inflammation wise, they cause immediate noticeable bumps on my cheeks & a funny metallic taste in my mouth & are so not worth the momentary pleasure they give me
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Quoted from Green Root
Peppers and eggplant are not as bad as tomato and potato?

Yeah. If I try joint problem history, tomatoes make a big leap from diamond to avoid. But tomato juice remains neutral, why's that? I'm sure this topic has been discussed earlier, but it's an interesting question.



i know it's weird... they are all nightshades, but there must be something in them that is different... at least for the peppers anyways.

for me, my SWAMI has bell peppers as a superfood, but eggplant, potato and tomato as avoids. but why that is i don't know. I just looked, tomato juice is a black dot avoid for.

i am not sure why it would be less harmful than a regular tomato tho.


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I am not sure why it would be less harmful than a regular tomato tho.


My guess is that there is a higher concentration of lectin in the flesh and seeds than in the juice.


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Now that makes sense...ABJoe!!
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good one! that totally makes sense!!


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excellent info!  thank you all...
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Tomatoes do the same thing to me, make my sinuses swollen, eyes puffy, just not worth it. I had joint pain, a long long time ago, pre BTD, it was so bad I couldn't walk more than a half a mile without my hip screaming at me. I haven't had that pain in years and I usually walk 4 to 5 miles a day  .


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Quoted from grey rabbit
Tomatoes do the same thing to me, make my sinuses swollen, eyes puffy, just not worth it. I had joint pain, a long long time ago, pre BTD, it was so bad I couldn't walk more than a half a mile without my hip screaming at me. I haven't had that pain in years and I usually walk 4 to 5 miles a day  .


Beautiful testimony.  
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