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As many of you know, I need to gain weight.  

Well, I've been increasing my calories slowly for a while now.  I hit 2300, and a hair more a couple of times.  

But here's some present challenges I need some input on.  

First off, I'm not gaining as quickly as I thought I might.  I have gained a little over 4 lbs, maybe 6, I forget how low I actually went.  I do remember seeing 112.5, but I can't remember if that was at night.  I always weigh myself before bed, as it's my heaviest I would think.      And now I was 118.5.  I'm ecstatic for that number.  But I think it needs to be about 10-15 more to be truly good.  But that's up to God.

So anyways, here are a few of my challenges.  The last couple days, I haven't felt as hungry as say some of the other days.  I'm not quite sure why, except that if I go back through my food log, I am eating more calories at one meal now than I used to.  However, I struggled  to get 2100 calories in last night.  Sometimes it's just the wrong combo of foods.  If I eat big amounts of veggies, especially ones lower in calories, it makes me less full and lowers the overall number to a degree.  So I have to try and carefully choose what foods to eat when.  I was thinking my meals should be about 500 calories.  Breakfast, lunch and dinner.  And then I have an after dinner, dinner of grains that is usually in the high 400's.  So then that leaves me with snack and a midnight snack to make it to 2300.  

Does that look normal?  For some of you AB's or A's, how big is one meal?  I may be trying to do too much at once.  Or maybe I'm fine, but am not used to not being hungry all the time.  Because for a while, it was like I was searching for the next thing to eat, a few minutes after I ate.  Or maybe it's because my body was starving so much, I was just hungry all the time.  

And mind you, I haven't taken a lick of digestive enzymes.  To me, it seems like if I eat the right fruits, at the right time, they work as enzymes.  Or some veggies even.  If I eat a big dinner (well filling) I might eat some blackberries an hour and a half later and it's like it helps it digest them.  Then I'm hungry for something more heavy, like my grain meal.  It seems to work.  Or HAS worked.

But, like I said.  I was concerned because yesterday it was really hard for me to get in 2100.  I stayed up real late just to do it.  

I suppose you're going to fluctuate.  But what I'm wondering is, is it hard to get calories because I'm eating so healthy?  I mean, I look at when people eat sandwiches, and things like that, you can see where the calories comes from.  If you go on Panera's website, they give you the calories of a sandwich.  And it's like 900.  It's crazy.  But of course I don't eat that.  But you can see how people get crazy amount of calories.  They eat all these foods, like wheat, that are super high in calories.

Well, so I need my own "version" of sandwiches I guess.  That is healthy.  And digests well.  I don't know.  

I don't know if I'm making any sense.  I'm up to 1200 calores today before dinner.  Which I think is pretty good.  And I'm hungry for dinner.  Praise the Lord.  But I'm just not AS hungry as I was a few weeks ago.  Maybe it's all just catching up with me now.  

But I do need to gain weight, so.....  It's just kind of a guessing game as to how much I need, how much my body can take, and what foods are going to be right each day.  Or each meal for that matter.  

At present, it might just be that I need more enzyme rich, fresh foods.  It's been about 4 days since I've had pineapple.  I just got some today.  

Anyways.  Any input is greatly appreciated.  Thank you!!!!


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JJR, how long has your weight been so low? Are any other members of your family underweight? You may have posted this "history" before, but it would be interesting to know.


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Are you exercising?

If you are, you will need more calories to offset the calories spent on exercise.

If you are not - get to it   The exercise will build muscle which will add weight.  You will get hungry and add more calories by default.


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Nobody else in my family is diagnosed with Lyme's Disease, so....  it might not be a genetic thing.  But no, my sister, mother and father are all overweight.  My Great Uncle was pretty skinny on my Mom's side.  In fact her brother is pretty slim too.  He's also a raging alcoholic.  I say it that way to mean that he drinks more than anybody else I know.  Like all day long he's got a strong beer going.  And then more at night.

So, I might have some recessive genetics, and I'm sure it plays a role, but I'm sure the lyme's disease is no good for me too.

Exercise, no.  I know I need to start some kind of regimen.  I have been more active the last few months than I have in a long time.  Dishes, dishes and more dishes.  Cooking more.  Etc.  But I do have to get back to some stretching.  Then some pushups, etc.  That's always been the plan, but, just when I get going on some, I get knocked down it seems.  And then I have to start building all over.  But maybe the focus on eating will help.


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JJR,

When you first started eating more, I would expect it to be easier to eat more for a while...  Once the body gets used to you eating more, it makes sense that it would slow down somewhat...  Tom's advice to start exercising, a bit at a time of course, would help to stimulate muscle growth and metabolism.  Again, there will probably be an adjustment period as the body gets used to the changes, and you may have to take a break once in a while.  Just take it slow at first.


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10 minute walks 3x a day, that would be a good, easy way to start. Walking is some of the best exercise in the world and it will increase your appetite.


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Another thing to consider is that the food we are consuming through our SWAMI is custom designed for each body. Also the food is of such high quality that I feel it's not the quantity that counts, although we do need variety and calories to survive.

JJR - are you small boned? If you have relatives that are slim, then that's where you get it from. I know people who drink a lot of beer and they are slim, some who are overweight with a huge beer belly!

You seem to worry a lot and over analyze things and that type of stress alone can make one lose weight. I went through that once, stress made me so thin that a friend I had not seen for a while pulled me aside and asked if I had a terminal illness!

Don't forget to take deep breaths and keep breathing.
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Yes, I'm an ectomorph.  Yes, I think about things a lot.  Yes, I try to chill, but it's a challenge.  

However, I'm still underweight.  I wasn't always this skinny.  In fact, I used to weigh 170 before I had all my problems.


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How well do you digest ghee?  What about other fats?  Have you tried your best vegetables stir-fried with a good fat and appropriate spices?


My weight loss goal: 220 lbs.  A 6'4" dyslexic oddball: the size of a line-backer, the silhouette of Winnie-the-Pooh.
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I'm eating more fats than I used to, but not significantly more.  I am using butter to fry my eggs in, and put in my oatmeal or rice.  And I'm getting a little bit of olive oil at each meal.  I'm trying to keep it within my swami.  I get 7 tablespoons of oil per week.  That's one tablespoon a day.  I take a teaspoon of cod liver oil a day as a supplement, so that leave two teaspoons between my salad, cooking and what not.  And my butter pretty much takes up my allowance for dairy.  Which is crazy, because I'm really not eating a whole lot.  A little more than a teaspoon a day.  But I'm getting fats from nuts and meats.  We do a lot of burger meat.  Beef, Venison and Turkey.  And then we eat lamb shoulders and I eat lots of fish.  

I probably could double my fat intake and need it.  My skin is kind of dry on my legs.  My hands are terrible dry.  But it is winter here and dry overall.  But yeah, it's something I could probably up a little.  My stomach is working better than the day I wrote this.  But I still think I should be gaining a little more than I am.  It's been a month and a half and I'm up 4-1/2 pounds.  It seems a little slow, but maybe that's right.  I suppose if it keeps going that way steadily, that's good enough.  I get different advice from different people as to how many calories is good.  My doctor's assistant is saying 2300 is good, and don't try to force it if it doesn't go down to that.  Just do what feels right.  Then I get people telling me I should be eating 3500.  I'm like, 3500 seems like a lot.  That was a lady at church.  Her sons are body builders, so, she probably thinks I'm working out or something.  And then Briny said she had to do 3k to gain.  So, I'm in the ball park, but not sure if I'm hitting a home run, you know what I mean?  I guess I'm getting to first base because there is progress.  Maybe I got to second.  Hehhehe.


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out of curiosity... can you have whey? perhaps a whey (or other compliant) protein shake in the mornings or after you've done some exercise will help. It'll give you calories, but also a usable form of protein.


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I've never tried it.  Ever.  I'm skeptical about going out and buying a large amount of anything that I'm not sure about.  I'd be more inclined to buy Dr.D's rice protein powder blend.  I can't remember if it has whey in it or not.


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i'm the same way... don't like to commit if it's something new and untested!

some companies have sample packs of their protein supplements...but i rarely buy stuff like that any more... to much that isn't compliant and i'm not congested 95% of the time now... it's rather refreshing!

not sure about the different blends here, if there is a sample size or not, but it would be worth a try. And it's on sale right now too!

Here is the B/AB protein supplement. It sounds pretty good actually...

http://www.4yourtype.com/prodinfo.asp?number=BT010B%2FAB


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I think what I might need is the addition of a probiotic and/ or digestive enzymes.  It does seem like when I eat the right fruits, that have enzymes in them, I become hungrier.  But as of lately it's sort of up and down.  I think when I started really eating better and tracking my calories, I was starving so I was just always hungry.  I liked that, because in the years past, I did not have that sensation.  But like this morning, I just wasn't very hungry.  

The other upside is now I know what eating over 2k calories a day looks like, so when I'm not feeling that hungry, I'll know what I SHOULD be eating and try and figure out how to make it happen.  Even if it's with a digestive enzyme to help out.  I have taken them previously and I know they help the food go down and make me more hungry.  And I took some quercitin this morning.  That usually helps too.


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I get 7 tablespoons of oil per week.  That's one tablespoon a day.  
That's a lot of oil!  Do you cook with any of that oil or butter?  I find that anything cooked in ghee tends to increase both my appetite (before) and my satiety (after the meal). Do you eat fermented vegetables?  Do you eat blended fruit?

I do like the idea of using Dr. D' Adamo's protein powder.  The type O does not have any whey whatsoever.  He prescribes counter-type supplements to some of his patients, so you could call and ask if the O powder might work for your purposes.





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If it is any help, JJ, I usually don't have a really hungry sensation either.  If it gets to the point that I feel really hungry, I have waited too long to eat.  I need to eat when I have a desire to eat, rather than waiting until I feel I NEED to eat, if you know what I mean.


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What about the possibility of low stomach acid? I wasn't very hungry at all when my stomach acid was low and when I began taking HCl with meals, my appetite increased and so did my weight gain.

I know I use way more than 1 tablespoon of oil/butter per day - when including cooking too.



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Paul, I just don't see how that is a lot of oil.  You could probably use a tablesoon, or close to it on a salad if you really wanted to drench it.  I don't, but if you look at how most salads are prepared, that's what you'd get I think.  I use olive oil and butter.  Butter I use for eggs.  Olive oil I use for any other cooking.  I need to get into some other oils.  But we use so little, having too many types would allow them to go rancid from not using them enough.  I need places that sell smaller bottles of the oil.  Or split it with someone.  

Joe, that is interesting.  I wonder if that's an AB thing.  Because I think Kristin is right on.  I know my stomach acids fluctuate. Especially with what I eat.  Like I just had a grapefruit for snack and it makes me hungry.  Higher acids.  You know, I have avoided lemons for a long time now.  They were making my stomach real acidy.  maybe I need them again to help the food go down.  I'm not getting stopped up though, praise the LORD.  Things are moving still.  But it was just nice to feel hungry a lot.  When I was young, I remember that feeling.  But when I had to be taking supplements for killing H.Pylori, like Gastro and stuff, I was never hungry.  That stuff just robbed my stomach of any gastric juices it seemed like.  

I'm probably just going to fluctuate and have to understand that.  But when I got on the scale last night, I was down a pound.  I'd rather be going up.  


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I just get less oil and ghee on my Swami.

If citrus helps you acidify your stomach and digest food better then go for it!

It also sounds that the medication for the H pylori drasticly cut your good bacteria.  Deflect and polyflora, or at least good cultured veggies would help to rebalance your digestive bacteria.


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Paul, what I've taken over the course of three years for H.Pylori is Gastro-D, a homeopathic and other supps that will not do that.  Yes, in the very beginning 5 years ago, I did the antibiotic route.  And it definitely didn't help things.  But since then I've used wiser things to kill it off.  It's probably not completely gone, but I can tell it's WAY better.  What I was saying is that sucker hung on for a long time and I know it took away my stomach acids.  Among other things.


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